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Cisco to Acquire Linksys 256

forged writes "The Boston Globe is reporting that networking giant Cisco Systems plans to acquire Linksys later this year for $500M, thus entering the consumer market. Linksys also has a press release. The good news is that those who bought a Linksys access point now have a Cisco access point for 1/2 of the price ;)"
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Cisco to Acquire Linksys

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  • FP! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Jennifer Ever ( 523473 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:48AM (#5555787) Homepage
    Well bravo. Cisco's inraods into the consumer market didn't do too well, so it's a smart move to pick up an established brand. This also puts Cisco into direct competition with companies making both client and infrastructure devices (i.e. 3Com, Intel, etc).
  • by softsign ( 120322 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:49AM (#5555796)
    The good news is that those who bought a Linksys access point now have a Cisco access point for 1/2 of the price

    And 1/4 the quality!

  • Um... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Wakko Warner ( 324 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:49AM (#5555804) Homepage Journal
    ...does this mean that Cisco's products will now start to suck total ass, or does it mean that Linksys's products will now stop sucking total ass?

    The mind boggles.

    - A.P.
  • by millwall ( 622730 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:51AM (#5555820)
    I think Cisco should have stuck to their core business and not try to diversify. This move will only be good for those few customers that will gain a Cisco access point for 1/2 of the price right now.

    In the end it will probably just help create a new MS-like giant. I've never been a fan av any kind of corporate giant.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:52AM (#5555832)
    I have no doubt that Cisco is feeling the effects on their bottom line by Linsys' low cost alternatives.. it's time to eliminate that problem...
  • This Sucks!!! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by warpSpeed ( 67927 ) <slashdot@fredcom.com> on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:53AM (#5555841) Homepage Journal
    How long until Cisco kills off LinkSys?

    I like LinkSys products because they are functional and cheap. Ciscos products are functional, robust but not cheap. I guess Cisco is getting scared of the competition, and decided to crush them...

  • by Dareth ( 47614 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:54AM (#5555858)
    I am sure they will continue to support all Linksys products. It's not like anyone ever buys the competition just to kill them.

    Just me, the Voodoo owner... yes yes... I can and will write my own freaking drivers *grin*

  • by hackwrench ( 573697 ) <hackwrench@hotmail.com> on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:55AM (#5555875) Homepage Journal
    Cisco:Hard to configure, very configurable.

    Linksys:Easy to configure, not very configurable
  • by binaryDigit ( 557647 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:55AM (#5555877)
    That is, until Cisco raises the price on all the devices sold under its Linksys brand by oh, about 50 percent so that it doesn't compete with Cisco brand devices.

    That doesn't make any sense. If Cisco raised the prices by 50%, then the Linksys stuff WOULD compete with Cisco, since they'll now be in similar price categories. How on earth is Cisco going to differentiate Linksys vs Cisco if this occurs? Makes more sense that Linksys continues to be the low price option and Cisco to be the corp. higher price option. Remember, Linksys is in the consumer market, Cisco almost exclusively in the corporate. Linksys would get killed by the Netgears and SMC's of the world with such a price hike.
  • Ultimately Bad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bonker ( 243350 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:55AM (#5555883)
    In the short term, this will probably be quite good for both Cisco and Linksys, but after a while both entities, if they still exist as separate entities, will start to regret this move.

    First of all, Cisco now has a lot more to worry about, and they've have lot to worry about lately what with their stock prices fluctuating and a slowly decreasing demand for networking hardware as more and more IT firms belly up and more of the ones who stay in business consolodating their IT servies through hosting firms and the like.

    The consumer hardware market is *very* low margin. There's a reason that they call this stuff 'Commodity' hardware... including networking hardware. If Cisco has to play the commodity hardware game for long, they're going to start feeling like having a company come buy them out as well.

    Second, the number of players in the networking field keeps getting fewer and fewer. This seems like a good thing for the companies-- they don't have to compete as hard or do as much R&D to stay at the top. What this means for them in the long run, however, is that they become less able to deal with business crises and the advent of new tech. Just look at the way wireless is taking off right now. If you think this technology is done by a long shot or that there aren't new companies sprining up to exploit it, you should study it a little more. Sooner or later there will be a 'powerhouse' company spring up for an aspect of networking that's troublesome for Cisco, and then they'll have problems keeping up and staying competitive if they cut back right now at all.
  • by ciscoeng ( 411359 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:55AM (#5555884)
    Doubtful. The reason behind the purchase is to gain more market in the home network business, so there's really not much incentive to raise the prices.
  • by garcia ( 6573 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @11:56AM (#5555892)
    Linksys is mainly (it seems to me) to be a home-use brand. Do you really think that Linksys competes in any way w/Cisco?

    No.

    Cisco will continue to sell it's business-side stuff AND now home-use stuff as well.
  • by Xformer ( 595973 ) <avalon73 @ c a erleon.us> on Thursday March 20, 2003 @12:00PM (#5555925)
    Wouldn't surprise me. They recently bought Psionic [cisco.com] as well and, as far as I can tell, handy tools like PortSentry and Logcheck are nowhere to be found anymore. Instead, PortSentry at least has been assimilated into overpriced Cisco products.

    At least I still have the copies that I downloaded several months ago...
  • by ayf6 ( 112477 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @12:00PM (#5555932) Homepage
    I would imagine that cisco wouldn't do much to change the actual linksys line. I doubt they would build on their router's OS since the whole idea in the consumer market is to have an easy to configure product. Cisco will probrably want to keep a sharp distinction between their consumer products with easy to configure web interfaces (ie the old linksys ones) and their mid to high end corporate products. I do not think that either the consumer needs to worry about products becoming hard to configure, nor do i think that corporate IT needs to worry about a decline in quality of the high end stuff. This merger is not meant to "improve" technology. Its simply meant for cisco to enter a new market. I seriously doubt anything will change pricewise. If it does it would probrably mean cheaper consumer products since cisco has much more in assets and could seem to be in a position to undercut netgear. Just think, now we can have microsoft vs cisco price wars for the home network... Soon we're going to be getting home routing equipment for free if it follow the netscape vs internet explorer model ;)
  • by shaka999 ( 335100 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @12:11PM (#5556032)
    Ahhh, if I recall Nvidia bought 3DFX's assests after the company died. This is 100% different.

    3DFX made stupid moves, went belly up, and then had its technology bought.

    Linksys has good market share in the consumer market and is doing well.

  • Re:Sweet! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Blaine Hilton ( 626259 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @12:16PM (#5556075) Homepage
    Sometimes cost is a bigger factor then uptime, at least with home users that don't want to spend thousands of dollors and have to have a CCNA to admin their home router for their 3 computers...
  • by aksansai ( 56788 ) <aksansai AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday March 20, 2003 @12:20PM (#5556106)
    Cisco provides outstanding quality networking and communications products for the IT sector of the enterprise. However, with the dot-bomb era of the computing industry, Cisco's shares have fallen drastically as a result of companies not actually needing to acquire Cisco equipment as much as they thought. The effect on Cisco? Over-stocked inventories required price-slashing to remain competitive. Their existing market segment is slow, sustained growth. The Linksys acquisition caters to a dynamic, expanding market.

    The reason I say it's the Walmart way is because Walmart provides just about everything you can think of that is smaller than a car - some of the Walmarts where I live actually have the Walmart Appliance section. Walmart sells clothing, food, tools, etc.

    Most individuals looking for high quality (cost) goods will not be purchasing their designer fashions at Walmart. Instead, they choose to go to Dillards, Parisians, Eddie Bauer, and other higher quality - smaller customer base distributors. Yet, when you look at it in the end - who makes the most money (by a huge margin)? You guessed it - Walmart.

    The vast majority of consumers are middle-class to lower-class individuals. Many companies that have taken a huge beating in the market place are looking for cost cutting measures. 40 Linksys switches or 10 Cisco switches for the same cost? The "Linksys line by Cisco" would be like the "Great Value" Walmart brand. The Cisco native branded equipment, I would imagine, would be for the people who still want to shop at Eddie Bauer, etc.

    Linksys is a highly popular choice for cable companies who provide their broadband service because it's extraordinarily cheap with a pretty decent track record. Cisco acquires not only Linksys, but its existing relationship with all of the companies who buy Linksys equipment in bulk. As a result, Cisco gains market share into an arena it previously untapped venture without having to invest the capital to pursue moving into an already crowded arena.

    I would imagine the Linksys brand name would stay around for quite a while (much like the legacy of USRobotics when purchased by 3Com) to diversify the two segments of the company for marketing purposes.

    The only caveat to this acquisition is the fact that it was a purchase of another company. Many companies which made acquisitions before the dot-bomb crash did not efficiently integrate the companies, and they ended up either being dead-weights or misused to the point of extinction. Only time will tell.
  • by Pii ( 1955 ) <jedi @ l i g h t s a b e r.org> on Thursday March 20, 2003 @12:24PM (#5556143) Journal
    Toy though it may be, Cisco has zero presence in the home market (Well, other than *my* home... I've got 7 Routers, and a Layer-3 switch), and on the store shelves next to the Netgears and Dlinks of the world, the LinkSys name does just fine.

    People have bought into Wireless. People have bought into broadband routers, and SOHO firewall appliances. The home networking market is exploding, and Cisco can no longer afford to ignore it as a means of adding to their bottom line.

    Besides, who doesn't love the WET-11?

  • by nolife ( 233813 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @12:26PM (#5556159) Homepage Journal
    Well, they still have Netgear, D-Link, Siemens, and SMC to deal with in the low cost market.
    I do not think they are trying to put them out of the market but trying to offer a Cisco product line that meets all needs from bottom to top. In the enterprise world, most purchases are done because you already have an existing companies product so why not buy them for everything. Hell, I'd bet most large companies would seriously consider Cisco PC's or heaven forbid Microsoft business class routers and switches if they were offered.

    Most companies do not selectively choose individual lines unless they have too. It is not surprising to see Compaq servers, Compaq san's, Compaq tape backups, and Compaq PC's and laptops on every desk and server room in a corporate environment.
  • UP, not down. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 20, 2003 @01:14PM (#5556571)
    The price for LinkSys will go up. The corporate politics and craziness of Cisco will see to that.
  • Re:Sweet! (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 20, 2003 @01:18PM (#5556599)
    Linksys routers allows you to tftp your config files you insensitive clod. I've been doing it for a year and a half.
  • by PD ( 9577 ) <slashdotlinux@pdrap.org> on Thursday March 20, 2003 @01:20PM (#5556612) Homepage Journal
    Back in 1996 I bought myself a pair of Linksys 10 Mb cards. Why? Because Linux was listed as a supported operating system on the box. I already know that lots of other cards would work, but Linksys put it on the box way back then.
  • by anocelot ( 657966 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @01:30PM (#5556687) Homepage Journal
    Call me crazy (OK, you're crazy!) but it seems to me that Cisco is getting a little more bang for their buck here then simply acquiring new market share by finally doing something that investors are conformable with. i.e. Acquisition. ;)

    The biggest news here is that cisco will finally be able to enter a complete solution into the content delivery market. A company can provide online content with massive high-end cisco name brand stuff, and use the acquired linksys stuff to give them the other end of the pipeline as a complete package.

    As more local telco companies are looking at providing high-speed internet access, this becomes very interesting indeed.
  • by wwwillem ( 253720 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @01:36PM (#5556747) Homepage
    You can pick up a 4 port 10/100 full duplex Linksys router for about $50.

    And I just picked up a Siemens 4 port 10/100 router for $30. The 2 port version a friend bought was even $19.95.

    Given the profit Office Depot makes and the shipping costs all the way from China, I'm wondering if Cisco knows how to make money on products that can not cost more than 2-5 dollar "out of the factory".

    Manager: Jeff, your bonus for the 1st quarter is $ 2.95 :-)

  • by craenor ( 623901 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @01:51PM (#5556866) Homepage
    Linksys makes the best home networking equipment. I mean, just stop and forget everything you know about networking...and think about it from a n00b perspective.

    You want something cheap, attractive and easy to setup and use. For those knocking Linksys quality, allow me to let you in on a little secret...they are the best. In the home networking, wireless networking business, Linksys gear rules.

    Now yes, I work in wireless networking...but guess what, I don't work for Linksys or Cisco. I work for one of their competitors. Despite my strong sense of company loyalty, I'll still admit freely that Cisco equipment is the best for Corporate networks (duh) and Linksys equipment is the best for Home Networks. People with Home Networks don't care about firewalls, security, layering and routing, they just want their 3 computers online at the same time, with a high speed connection.

    btw, before anyone puts words in my mouth. I tried to stress that Linksys has the best quality gear...and they do. I didn't say anything about their tech support, which is "lacking".

    Craenor
  • Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jafac ( 1449 ) on Thursday March 20, 2003 @04:02PM (#5558559) Homepage
    more like crushing their customer's competition.

    When Joe Sixport decides to buy a DSL connection, paying for a single computer, then hooking up his wife and kids on a LAN with a cheap little LinkSys, Cisco's big customer, the DSL provider gets stiffed. So Cisco's ability to grossly overcharge for hardware is undermined.

    So when home routers triple in price to where Joe Sixport can no longer afford them, the DSL company wins, and Cisco also wins. They won't be selling home routers at 5% profit. They'll be selling huge routers to corporations at 50% profit.
  • Re:This Sucks!!! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by warpSpeed ( 67927 ) <slashdot@fredcom.com> on Thursday March 20, 2003 @04:06PM (#5558616) Homepage Journal
    Linksys makes a good product that sells very well in it's market. Tell that to DEC after Compaq evisrated thier good product line. Then tell that to HP after they did the same thing to Compaq.

    Cisco definitly sees this as a stategic buy, but that does not mean they will screw it up, or that they are not going purposly kill off thier product line.

    There are a other vendors out their for this type of product, but Cisco grabbed the biggest. Of course they want to stear buisness thier way. But they may not be doing it the way that would make sence to us (the general geek public). They could end up killing LinkSys off since they are the largest name out there, and drive more biz to thier brand (which is more expensive).

    The law of supply and demand works here, they are just removing some of the supply.

    Cisco does not like the cheaper alternative because it will find its way into bigger buisness frm the SOHO market. I use these products all the time for my clients. Most of my clients have no need for cisco brands when a linksys will do quite nicely thank you very much. Cisco is threatened by this. I do not want to pay a premium for a brand name widget when I can get two cheaper widgets for the same cost. If one widget fails I use the other and I'm still a head of the game.

    Yup, Cisco is in the money making biz, so "Why would csco break a money making machine that works well"? They want to redirect the linksys biz to thier brand which will increase market share. And as a bonus they can charge more for thier brand. They could care less if the customers get the same value for thier money, they just want the money. Thats why.

    I guess I will be buying D-Link from now on...

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