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Would Free Music Sell Cars? 377

rhfrommn writes "An opinion piece on news.com says the old method of selling music CDs is doomed and suggests the best new method is to give away the content. No more 'piracy' or 'rights management' to worry about! The author discusses ad based models, giving music away as a promotion (buy a car, get 1000 hours of music free type stuff) and other methods. All based on cheap hardware like MP3 players as the new medium to replace CD."
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Would Free Music Sell Cars?

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  • Too late (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:06PM (#5654512)
    You can get as many free hours of music as you want now. It'll be that way in the future.
  • by BitwizeGHC ( 145393 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:06PM (#5654515) Homepage
    I mean would it be normal music from acts I like, or would it be "See the USA in your Chevrolet" type stuff?

    I remember getting free music with a McDonald's meal once. One of those cardboard punch-out disposable phonograph records with the catchy menu jingle recorded on it. And if the class sings it successfully through to the end, you win like a lot of money or something.

    Catchy, but not exactly chart-topping stuff.
  • why? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tiwason ( 187819 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:07PM (#5654523)
    No more 'piracy' or 'rights management' to worry about!

    Then why am I going to have to buy a $30k car to get my music..

    This is nothing new... your still "selling" the music

    I'm still paying or going through more hoops then kazaa or friends to get it.. then its not worth it.

    I don't understand..
  • by mekkab ( 133181 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:09PM (#5654536) Homepage Journal
    or does it?!

    The analogy to the coal story is very interesting, but its just like radio: the discs go to radio stations, who are paid to play certain songs. And while there may have been a cost savings for the central heating model, you know darn well that when the landlord controls the thermostat, you go cold. Its happened in countless apartments where we get a cold spell before "the heat is turned on" and all I could do was bundle up and shiver.

    The same thing is happening with music. I get free music all the time in elevators and shopping malls and on radios. But it sucks, and leaves me cold.
  • Article text (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:09PM (#5654538)
    "Ripping" a copy of a friend's music CD, or grabbing a track from a Napster-like service on the Internet, is stealing, plain and simple.

    Music fans, seeking to justify this casual act of larceny, claim they're really supporting an economic boycott of a usurious and uncreative music industry. "Cybershoplifting," reply the record companies, seizing the opportunity to impose their opaque and onerous copyright schemes on the listening public.

    While the battle rages on, piling up legal fees and taking the joy out of music, a simpler solution is on the horizon. The best way to stem this tidal wave of thievery is to give the music away.

    Free content, by itself, is not at all that unusual. Broadcast television is "free"--at least to the viewer--courtesy of ad-supported subsidies, as are radio, many concerts and sporting events. But even those services commanding a fee today should become free tomorrow as the economics of music distribution take radical new shape.

    To understand how, we would do well to look at a very different industry, but one with surprising parallels to music: 19th-century fuel delivery. In the late 1800s, when a tenant sought to warm a cold apartment, she had to buy her own coal from passing coal wagons and then haul it in coal buckets up to her fourth-floor kitchen. This apparently straightforward transaction brought with it considerable challenges for wagon drivers.

    Theft was endemic. Stories abound of coal wagons stripped of half their load by street urchins before a first delivery could be made. Various solutions to improve security were proposed, including various patented coal locks. The ultimate solution, however, proved to be something quite different: a new distribution model that made coal theft irrelevant. It was called central heating.

    Coal distributors sold their product efficiently in one large delivery to apartment landlords, at the same time removing the incentive for individual tenants to steal. Landlords could pass a significant part of the savings on to tenants in their bill for monthly rent. Everyone benefited, even the families of the coal-stealing urchins.

    Similarly, it is the power of low-cost distribution, combined with subsidized free services, that will save and transform the music business. Stealing will become equally irrelevant.
    It is the power of low-cost distribution, combined with subsidized free services, that will save and transform the music business.

    To understand how, consider these statistics: The U.S. music industry collects $12 billion per year from CD sales to about 50 million active fans. That means each person spends an average of $250 per year to purchase around 15 albums a year.

    Now, $250 per year is a very interesting number. By next year $250 will buy an MP3 player with a 100GB disk. That disk will hold over 2,000 CDs. Even strapping on headphones 15 hours a day, a listener would still need over four months to cruise through every track. For many people, 2,000 CDs is all the classical, jazz or rock music they will ever care to collect. For others, it's just about enough to fill a summer vacation with tunes. But it's a lot more than 15 CDs.

    With these economics, distributing music on flashy plastic disks one album at a time seems, well, like heating your kitchen with coal. And $250 is not too high a price for a marketer--even those outside the music business--to spend acquiring customers, especially those dedicated fans holding an ad-supported player in their hand 15 hours a day.

    Imagine the possibilities. Buy a new Kia? Get 1,000 albums with every car. Purchase a lifetime subscription to the Boston Symphony Orchestra? Receive an MP3 player with a library of the world's 2,000 most important classical music selections. Sign up for a new cellular contract? Get unlimited access to music from over 30,000 indie bands.

    The economics are such that it would take only one leading company to break the music distribution mold. Among MP3 player makers, Apple Computer, with its p
  • by Rombuu ( 22914 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:10PM (#5654546)
    This is less logical than an Iraqi press conference. So if people could then freely copy this music, why would anyone want to pay to get it in the first place to gie away with their products?
  • by aengblom ( 123492 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:12PM (#5654573) Homepage
    Buy 1000 hours of music, get a free car!

    1000 hours * $15 is $15,000. Amazingly, it probably is actually better the original way ;-)

  • by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:12PM (#5654576) Homepage Journal

    I have gigs and gigsof MP3s but don't own a car.
  • by Theodore Logan ( 139352 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:14PM (#5654593)
    Who cares? If you don't get what you want you can always grab it from kazaa.
  • by Lerxst Pratt ( 618277 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:16PM (#5654606)
    "Nothing in life is FREE." That goes for the music too. I'm sorry, but the price of a car is a lot to pay to get "free" music. Does anyone remember when mp3.com was sending out free CDs of 100 songs apiece of this same type of free music? The music was only halfway decent... nothing to sneeze at. I don't see this type of marketing going over very well with the public. I think the American public is smarter than that.
  • The payment plan (Score:4, Insightful)

    by arvindn ( 542080 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:17PM (#5654619) Homepage Journal
    This article goes one step ahead of slashdotters clamoring "Digital restrictions are bad. IP is untenable" and actually gives a revenue model which sounds workable to me. The important parts are:

    But how will artists and their agents and lawyers get paid? This time we can turn for answers not to coal distribution, but to an industry much closer to musicians' homes: the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers. ASCAP licenses, collects and redistributes music royalties from music performance venues (like radio stations, concert halls and so on) to the artists. It determines who gets paid what by polling these venues to see whose music gets played and how often.

    To determine reimbursement in an MP3 player world, a small sample of users could be invited periodically to voluntarily, and anonymously share their listening history stored in the player. Then, just as in the ASCAP model, payments collected from the music player distributors (Kia, the BSO and the like) would be split among the copyright owners. No fuss, no complexity and no secret CD police.

    Makes a lot of sense to me. To get this off the ground, it only takes one company to tie up with some mp3 player makers. If it succeeds, others will be quick to jump on the bandwagon and the RIAA will be left wondering what hit them.

  • For big acts only. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Hayzeus ( 596826 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:17PM (#5654622) Homepage
    This model really would appear to work only for the larger acts. You know, the ones that get airplay -- all 10 of them.

    This wouldn't work at all for bands on smaller independent labels, other non-pop genres (jazz, blues, etc). Reads like another big step toward musical homogenization to me.

  • by defile ( 1059 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:21PM (#5654663) Homepage Journal

    The other day I found myself at CompUSA paying $40 for Red Hat. Why on earth would I pay money for that when I can get an ISO and burn it for free?

    In my case, it was because I was at a datacenter and needed to reinstall the system (the vendor forgot to install it). I could've either taken a trip back home (30 minutes), downloaded and burned a CD (an hour), and taken a trip back (30 minutes), or I could drop by CompUSA and pay for a copy (20 minutes). Savings to my client by paying for software? 1.75 billable hours.

    If there's any hope in selling data as a retail product, it'll be in models that completely ignore the actual data on it.

    There's my case (needed it quickly), but there are many others.

    Some people just want to rummage through piles of stuff, find a gem, claim a prize. That whole Hunter/Scavenger instinct is still with us, you know.

    Shopping at a record store is a social activity for many people -- something that's harder to do with a real person by a computer.

    There have been many times that we browsed Blockbuster Video (yes, they suck, but that's a different story) in search of a movie and ended up there an entire hour because we became so engrossed in searching (and ended up with 3 or 4 movies by the end of it). A web site can offer the content, but seldom can it recreate that experience.

    The content cartel should capitalize on this, because their current business model's days are numbered.

  • that's what I want (Score:3, Insightful)

    by capoccia ( 312092 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:26PM (#5654693) Journal
    that's exactly what i want. i have been waiting for someone to sell me ford-approved music. or do you think they would actually let you choose which songs they would sell you. no, this would be one ten-hour disk for everyone. i'm sure they'll be enough songs for everyone to hate.

    i like choosing my own music.
  • by metamanda ( 662939 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:26PM (#5654694) Homepage
    This guy talks about an "ad-supported player" as the replacement for selling music in album form. He gives you broadcast TV and radio as similar models for content distribution. What he's kind of forgetting is that people really hate ads. We'll pay extra to avoid them. That's why TiVo exists, that's why premium cable exists, that's why sites like Salon try to annoy you into buying a subscription by showing the most irritating possible ads. Paying for a $250 player, and then being subjected to advertisement in order to listen to music ... i'd rather buy cd's.

    Furthermore, his payment model is pretty much based on ratings. In a system like that, good content won't win out any more (maybe less) than it does now. (Which does bring up the question: is the stuff on TV crappier than the music being sold in stores? On the one hand we have Joe Millionaire. On the other we have Christina Aquilera. But you can still find some pretty good CDs if you look for them.) Lots of promotion will still make artists more money than good songs.

    So... I don't think I like the "future of music" any better than the present.

  • Boggle (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ThresholdRPG ( 310239 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:26PM (#5654704) Homepage Journal
    This is one of the stupidest ideas I have read in a long time.

    When I buy a car, I care about the features of the car. Adding in stupid junk like 1000 hours of music is an annoyance, not something I would be happy about.

    The key to selling music is selling it at a low enough price that people prefer the reliability and quality of purcahsed music to the hassle, unreliability, etc. of pirated music. It is truly as simple as that.
  • by Shalda ( 560388 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:27PM (#5654707) Homepage Journal
    And if you want your music to come from a Thomas Kincaid gallery, be my guest. I'd rather see the flaws in the music industry get fixed. Not that it's going to happen, but if you got the racketeering out of radio and put limits on how long artists can sign exclusive contracts with studios you'd fix nearly all the current complaints. Sure, there'd be new ones, but that's another story. :)
  • Re:why? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by MhzJnky ( 443677 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:31PM (#5654751) Homepage
    I'm still paying or going through more hoops then kazaa or friends to get it.. then its not worth it.


    I mean realy, Pay for music... that's rediculous. Next thing you know we'll be expected to pay for food, gas, and books. Just because someone went through all the trouble to produce something, package it, and make it available to me, dosn't mean I should actually have to GIVE them something in exchange for it. That's not what America's about people...
  • Re:Too late (Score:2, Insightful)

    by coopaq ( 601975 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:31PM (#5654758)
    True. The only way to make money on music in
    the future is to sing about Pepsi and Ford.

    -J

  • by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:33PM (#5654771)
    I'm sure I'm missing something, but why do artists need labels any more?

    What you are missing are a few very important points that the media cartels, in their extraordinarilly disingenuous rhetoric regarding non-commerical copyright infringement by individuals, would very much like you not to notice:
    • The cartels in general, and the recording industry in particular, are not interested in their artists financial well being (just read their standard recording contracts sometime, or the excellent analysis done by Courtney Love and Janis Ian). They are interested in their own profits, and while most artists make most of their money from live shows and would benefit from free music, the recording industry makes most of their profits from selling recording (in large part because they pocket the lion's share of the proceeds).
    • There are some extraordinarilly rich artists, such as Metallica and the Zombie, excuse me, I mean Michael Jackson, that have managed to finagle contracts that, contrary to most, give them a portion of that pot. They benefit from the system enormously, and serve the aforementioned cartels by giving other artists an unreasonable dream to shoot for, a dream with which they very successfully ensnare new talent which they then milk dry and forget.
    • It is about control, even more than money remarkably enough. This happened in the early 80's prior to MTV, where their control was so solid, and the music they released so tepid, that sales had fallen dramatically until MTV introduced an entirely new genre of music imported from Europe. Their desire to control their market absolutely stems from their cartel mindset, a mindset made possible by the monopoly entitlements their copyright priveleges extend to them and one that is difficult to overcome, even when it is working against their own bottom line. Free music would undermine that cartel, the control they wield, and fear of this sort of change will leave the cartels entrenched even if they see the possibility of a better bottom line without it. The risk simply won't be worth the benefits, to their minds, at least not until an outside group has made them all but irrelevant and decimated their business anyway, something which may not even be possible with new legislation emerging from congress and various state governments.


    In short, if it were about the artists well being, free(dom) music and media would be a slam dunk. It benefits everyone ... except the ever-less-necessary publishers and middlemen, who run a powerful cartel and will see our every freedom destroyed before they give up or change their business model.

    It is interesting that those with such entitlement mindsets feel they should be able to earn money indefinitely (at least life+70 years) for one bit of work performed sometime in the past, while the rest of us accept that, if we wish to earn money, we must continue to work each day of our lives (weekends and vacation sometimes excepted). Given the profitability of, and real value offered by, live shows one must truly wonder why an artist, much less a publisher. would think they are entitled to proceeds from anything other than their live work. Four centuries of monopoly entitlements will, alas, do that to an industry and even a culture, to the detriment of nearly everyone (a few moghuls and poster children excepted)
  • by Nix0n ( 649693 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:38PM (#5654816)
    You can't replace the CD.

    Well you can, but not with a lossy encoding scheme such as MP3. There are plenty of people out there, myself included, who simply do not like( or cannot even abide )the warbly sound of lossy compression, and would resist phasing out of high-resolution audio formats.

    If anything will replace the CD, it will be SACD or DVD-A, not mp3.
  • Important points (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Infonaut ( 96956 ) <infonaut@gmail.com> on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:45PM (#5654907) Homepage Journal
    What you are missing are a few very important point

    Perhaps I should have been more clear in my initial post. I understand and agree with everything you've said. But my point was that from the perspective of view of the artist, why would you want to sign on with a label, since everyone knows that the labels screw artists?

  • Re:Too late Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Havokmon ( 89874 ) <rick.havokmon@com> on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:45PM (#5654909) Homepage Journal
    You can get as many free hours of music as you want now. It'll be that way in the future.
    You think the music industry is going to tolerate what we are doing much longer?

    Huh? You mean they won't let us listen to the radio? Or maybe you mean they won't let us change the channel.. because you know if we don't listen to the commercials on the radio, that's stealing.

  • by hazem ( 472289 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:50PM (#5654964) Journal
    McDLT. I don't remember what the D stood for. This was the burger that came in a double-sized styrofoam box. On one side was the bottom of the bun with the burger and cheese. The other side had the top of the bun with mayo, lettuce & tomato. YOU get to put them together for "maximum freshness".

    It was basically a quarter-pounder with lettuce & tomato.
  • Re:why? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Vermithrax ( 524934 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @03:57PM (#5655027)
    And what sort of music will the music industry make if only people who buy new cars get to choose what music is available. Because they will start to produce music that fits the new car buying demographic
  • Re:Too late Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by scott1853 ( 194884 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @04:03PM (#5655079)
    Does if matter if you change the channel on the radio? What are you going to change it to? ClearChannel 95.1, ClearChannel 95.5, ClearChannel, 95.7......
  • by YrWrstNtmr ( 564987 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @04:09PM (#5655125)
    But merely masking/hiding the actual cost.

    The car dealer/builder who bundles a DVD chock full o' crap still has to pay something to the record company so that they can then distribute the scraps to the artist. They dealer prob gets a much reduced price, but not 'free'.

    The dealer damn sure isn't going to eat that cost. It WILL be passed back to the consumer.

    The $15,000 car now costs $16,5000. You just won't see it on the sticker.
  • by eXtro ( 258933 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @04:11PM (#5655149) Homepage
    I don't think the recording industry itself is doomed. Their real business is marketing. They market an image or sound to the public. Some of the public buys into it and so they buy albums, posters, concert tickets and so on. Popular artists have devoted followers who will buy anything they put out. They'll buy every CD, even their "greatest hits". They'll buy any magazine their favourite artists appear in. They'll watch any TV show that they appear on. There is even a good chance that they'll buy a products not even related to their artist based on his or her endorsement. The loyal fans buy stuff regardless of whether or not it's available for free.


    I have no doubt that on paper there will eventually be a point where the RIAA, or some other agency, will say that they've lost more money to piracy than they've taken in. Maybe they already say that, I don't really pay much attention to them. They will still be profitable though because losses due to piracy don't actually cost them any money from the balance sheet that matters.


    There are some tangible costs associated with being the music industry, and the way they maximize their profits is by minimizing investments where they don't get a large return on their investment. This means that unless you happen to look and sound a lot like what's already selling in a given demographic you won't get signed. Bad for consumers who don't fit into whatever the music industry is currently pushing (and slowly evolving) but that's business.


    So what do you do if you're an artist who can't get signed? Go independant. There's room for the independant music industry. There's probably a lot of money to be made for the first company that gets it: Give people what they want. So sell music on mp3 with optional CDs or vinyl. Don't worry about piracy, you don't lose money from that and maybe you'll make an additional sale. The artists won't get rich as the most popular RIAA artists but guess what? There's no gaurantee anywhere that you'll get rich regardless of your ambition, talent or luck.

  • Radio (Score:3, Insightful)

    by elliotj ( 519297 ) <slashdot AT elliotjohnson DOT com> on Thursday April 03, 2003 @04:24PM (#5655251) Homepage
    My car already has a device that plays free music: the radio. In case you were wondering, it did not in any way affect my choice of which car to buy.
  • WAIT A MINUTE! (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 03, 2003 @04:33PM (#5655316)
    buy a car, get 1000 hours of music free

    So... won't there still be 'piracy' and 'rights of management' issues when the car buyer makes the 1000 hours avalible on gnutella?

    I think having to buy a car for a few thousand dollars to pirate music is worse than having to by a cd for $10.

    Umm, I don't think that will solve piracy issues at all. Or did I reeeeeeeealy miss something?!?!
  • by greenrom ( 576281 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @04:34PM (#5655327)
    It's McDLT. It stood for McDonald's Lettuce & Tomato. It came in a special container with the meat and half the bun on one side that stayed warm and the top of the bun with the lettuce and tomato on the other side to keep it cool. BTW, you left out one small detail in the song. It should go "...a coffee, decaf too, a lowfat milk..." And yes, it is pathetic that I remember this stuff.
  • by enomar ( 601942 ) on Thursday April 03, 2003 @04:37PM (#5655345)
    As much as businesses love service subsctiptions, people (esp. me) hate them. I don't use many services (cell phone, tivo) that I normally would if they didn't require a subscription, or overcharge for pre-pay.

    I guess I'm just afraid of commitment...

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