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Foiling Cinema Pirates 392

minesweeper writes "According to this Associated Press article, in fighting the piracy of advanced-screenings of movies, Hollywood has deployed agents with night vision goggles and placed metal-detectors at theater entrances. Nevertheless, video cameras are still being smuggled in and the recordings smuggled out and onto the Internet. Now, the latest attempt to fight piracy will be to show the movie with a particular flicker, imperceptible to the viewer in the theater, but making any video recording unwatchable. Quoth the article, 'Cinea LLC, which created an encryption system for DVDs, and Sarnoff, a technology research firm, are developing a system to modulate the light cast on a movie screen to create a flicker or other patterns that would be picked up by recording devices...'"
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  • How sad (Score:5, Funny)

    by Hemi Rodner ( 570284 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @09:47AM (#5764283) Journal
    You mean I won't be able to download those pirated movie captures? So sad.. they are much better than DVDs, since you can actually feel like you're in the cinema. You hear the croud laughing, crying or eating popcorn, and see all the late people who block your vision.

    I truly hope pirates will get over this obstacle.
    • those people who though it'd be a great idea to save money not having to hire a babysitter and bring their toddler who will, with fail, start crying exactly at the moment the opening credits start to appear.
      Oooh, and also the people who really, really think everything is supposed to be laughed at by slapping their hands together while jumping up and down in their seat like a fucking spaz.
      Let's not leave out the ugly Cassanova in the row in front of you making out with his horrid-looking girlfriend. Of cours
      • by tx_mgm ( 82188 )
        i'm suprised that neither of you mentioned cell phones going off.....and people actually answering and talking on them without leaving the theater!
        few weeks ago when i went to see daredevil, this asshole got 3 phone calls during the movie and had a 5 minute or more conversation each time. i dont know if the management ignored complaints or if anyone even went out to complain. it's kind of like when some piece of shit runs in and turns on the lights in the middle of the movie and runs out laughing. it anno
      • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:14PM (#5764550) Homepage Journal
        Or you could just quit being such a pussy, and when someone acts like an ass in the movie theater you could tell them to can it. I was at a midnight showing of Raiders in Santa Cruz and some underage bitch was drinking vodka down in the front row and making loud comments at the movie screen so I asked her how she'd like a nice tall glass of shut the hell up :P I'm not just into bossing women around (though it can be fun if consensual) so I'm sure to let the guys know when they act like an ass. If someone were sucking face right in front of me I think I might elect to give them a simultaneous wet willie.

        When someone kicks my seat, I turn around, and stand up if necessary, but that works better for me than for most because I'm a big mofo. You might want to take a posse to the theater if you are small and unthreatening. :P

  • by Nathan Ramella ( 629875 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:09AM (#5764284) Homepage
    But are telecine/cam records really what's hurting the film industry? Sounds like a lot of effort for very little pay-off.

    Granted there's always a market for somebody who would like to see the Matrix Reloaded captured on someone's pen-camera, but is that really the demographic that the movie industry is losing money from?

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:31AM (#5764332)
      What really bugs me is the fact that this is being financed by taxpayer money. So we taxpayers pay $2 million so that the MPAA can maintain its monopoly. I tell you, I am fast losing faith in this country.
    • by blibbleblobble ( 526872 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @01:13PM (#5764760)
      "But are telecine/cam records really what's hurting the film industry? Sounds like a lot of effort for very little pay-off."

      So with all of these fancy new digital camcorders... is it not possible to change the frame rate, thus rendering useless any crapness?
      • by mythr ( 260723 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @02:36PM (#5765051)
        I'd be willing to bet that the flicker would change in rate as time went on. Sure, you could match it for a minute or two, but then it'd go out of sync and you'd get a ton of flicker again. As long as it changes more quickly than it's possible for the person to keep up, then their tactics will work.

        It's also possible that they're just alternately showing frames later/earlier than their usual times. I'm not sure of the exposure time on most cameras, but it's probably less than half of 1/24 of a second (the time between frames on film). Moving frames by that small of a time it slightly would probably not be noticeable by most, unless they were actually looking for it.
  • by BorgDrone ( 64343 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @09:59AM (#5764286) Homepage
    With people out there who say they can hear the difference between a CD and an MP3, I wonder if people won't complain about this, even if they can't see it.

    Sounds to me like another reason not to go to a cinema anymore, along with reasons like the crappy picture quality (come on, stretching a 35mm film to that huge a screen is just dumb) and the fact that theatres in the netherlands only show ancient movies (except some big movies like LOTR which are released worldwide on the same date).
    • by Peter Cooper ( 660482 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:45AM (#5764366) Homepage Journal
      With people out there who say they can hear the difference between a CD and an MP3, I wonder if people won't complain about this, even if they can't see it.

      If you get a camcorder and record a regular CRT and play it back, you'll see all sorts of crazy flickering on the recording. That's because the screen only updates X times per second, and that doesn't always correlate up with how often the camcorder takes a shot.

      Generally, people can use a CRT without seeing this flickering. Although if you use a lower refresh rate, most people get headaches, and some will notice flickering or just sense something is 'wrong'.

      At the right refresh rate, you could recreate this effect while annoying only perhaps 0.5% of your audience, and if it's just for a few preview screenings, it might be a good idea for them.
      • "At the right refresh rate, you could recreate this effect while annoying only perhaps 0.5% of your audience, and if it's just for a few preview screenings, it might be a good idea for them."

        Yes, annoying only half of one percent of your audience with HEADACHES is an outstanding idea. Especially the people who take the time to come to your preview screenings.

        Assclowns.
    • I agree. Also I wonder when people start complaining about all the headaches, experiencing random nausea and such after a movie screening, will the MPAA blame this on the pirates too in some roundabout way? (The video cameras emit RF radiation etc. etc.) Or will they just try to pay the susceptible people silence money?
    • With people out there who say they can hear the difference between a CD and an MP3, I wonder if people won't complain about this, even if they can't see it.

      Time to go off-topic. Yes, I can hear the difference between a CD and an MP3. Assuming you're talking about a 192kbps or less mp3 on a decent sound setup. Also, I'm not one of the people who has damaged his hearing by blasting rap-metal in my car so loud that people 3 cars over being vibrated in time with the bass.

      If you are someone who has blast
      • Time to go off-topic. Yes, I can hear the difference between a CD and an MP3. Assuming you're talking about a 192kbps or less mp3 on a decent sound setup. Also, I'm not one of the people who has damaged his hearing by blasting rap-metal in my car so loud that people 3 cars over being vibrated in time with the bass.

        If you are someone who has blasted his music at high volume, you *have* damaged your hearing and that does explain why an MP3 sounds "just as good" as a CD to you. It's as if you were color blind
    • by tamyrlin ( 51 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:04PM (#5764509) Homepage
      Personally, I think that a movie seen at a theatre flickers quite badly even today.

      If you are bothered by a 60Hz monitor with a white background you are probably going to be bothered by a white scene in a cinema as well. I hope that this technology will not worsen the effect too much.
    • I agree. A friend of mine's son has Epilepsy, and can't even look at a computer screen at less then 70 hertz for more then a couple minutes. Introducing a flicker into movies I'm sure will be an eyesore for most people (think: 60 hertz, high res, hours or more looking at the screen) and an obstical for others that prevents them from seeing movies in theaters at all.
    • I expect that some people will still see it...

      There's a large variance in human persistence of vision; it's more of a bell curve. The reason for this is evolutionary; studies have shown that some people have better visual resolution, while other have better motion detection thresholds. For example, my resolution is lousy, but my color vision has better frequency discrimination, and I can detect even very slight motion in my peripheral vision ("How did you know I had come into the room?").

      It seems to me
  • So if you come out of the theatre wanting to COPY the movie, now you know why.
  • Screeners are crap (Score:2, Insightful)

    by theefer ( 467185 )
    The quality of screener divx is just crap.
    I'm not watching a movie I'm dying to see in this quality. And I'm not watching divx of movies I'm not dying to see.
    That's just about it.

    So keep the SuperAgents out of the theatre, please.
  • Seizures (Score:3, Funny)

    by jakobk ( 553240 ) <jakob@ko s o w ski.net> on Saturday April 19, 2003 @09:55AM (#5764296) Homepage
    Cool! Now your chance of getting epileptic seizures in the cinema is even bigger! Way to go!
  • by caveat ( 26803 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @09:58AM (#5764299)
    I first noticed it when I got an insta-migraine 30 minutes into a bootleg of the perfect storm - there's a barely perceptible flicker from the 24fps of film going to 30fps of video; it's not enough to be noticeable, but it causes me all sorts of problems and aftereffects (like if i walk around in the moonlight afterwards, the brightness level "pulsates" for a good 15 minutes). i imagine this will be a lot more severe, but still, the existing problems have already turned me off to videotaped bootlegs.
  • Other news (Score:2, Funny)

    by ThumbSuck ( 629952 )
    In other news, massive increase in epilepsia has been reported.
  • by zakath ( 180357 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:01AM (#5764308)
    I don't really understand why this is a problem for the film industry. Watching a semi-focused and shaking image of a movie with mono sound on my TV in no way substitutes for going to the theatre for a movie experience. Not to mention the time it takes to d/l from any p2p service. It is nothing like MP3 music which, although not perfect, at least provides comparable fidelity to the 'real thing' you can buy on CD.
    • Watching a semi-focused and shaking image of a movie with mono sound on my TV in no way substitutes for going to the theatre for a movie experience.

      Unless the cost of seeing the movie includes round-trip airfare. Most films are not released simultaneously in all global markets.

  • Stops cams? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    So this is going to stop cam releases of movies? who cares about cams anyways, I'll take my dvd screener rip thanks.
    • Re:Stops cams? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by odaiwai ( 31983 )
      Yep, ever single DVD rip of a movie I've seen coming from China has has been an Academy Awards Screener. Basically, someone is sending out the copies that the people who vote on the movies for the Oscars get. When I saw The Two Towers in the cinema, it was playing in my local computer mall on the same day.

      dave
  • by frdmfghtr ( 603968 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:17AM (#5764313)
    To combat camcorder piracy Cinea and Sarnoff will develop methods of encoding films with artifacts that are invisible to the human eye, but play havoc with the electronics of a camcorder.

    I suppose that given the natural latency of the human eye, this could work. When I pick up a TV screen in my old-style video camera, the picture has bands of light and dark in to, presumably due to the scan rate of the camera matching the scan rate of the television.

    In the movies, when you see a scene with a television in it, why are there no such artifacts? Is it due to shooting with film, camera speed, ?? I would think that adding some sort of latency in a video camera to emulate that of the human eye would render such protection schemes useless.

    As expected, the article nor the follow-up links had any information regarding HOW this protection would work (or at least none that I could find).
    • actually, for film and tv they use a box that changes that sync on TV's and monitors to match the camera shooting is to that there is no flicker or bands.

    • I cheaply produced vhs recordings there is a flicker, they can sync it up tho. However in film you don't see it because the tv/monitor updates much faster than 25fps.
    • by michael_cain ( 66650 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:32PM (#5764606) Journal
      In the movies, when you see a scene with a television in it, why are there no such artifacts?
      There are no artifacts because the TV is a specialized device and the video it is showing is synchronized with the movie camera. Watch the credits at the end of the movie for "24 fps video" or something similar.
    • Before the days of digital electronics, they'd paint matte layers by hand and project in the TV footage with the original image in a multiple exposure.

      See "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (1951) for a good example of this. There's a TV news anchor reading
      at his desk, shot from the side (right profile.) On the desk is a TV showing the synchronized front-on view of the same news anchor. Then the scene you're watching switches to the front view of the news anchor: they shot the scene with two (motion picture f
    • by silentbozo ( 542534 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @04:22PM (#5765464) Journal
      I would think that adding some sort of latency in a video camera to emulate that of the human eye would render such protection schemes useless.

      That would be true only if the protection scheme relied solely on varying the projection flicker. My impression from the blurb was that Sarnhoff was going to target strengths of video cameras (greater light range sensitivity) and turn that into a liability. For example, many CCDs can see infrared wavelengths (train a consumer video camera at a IR remote and you can see the diode flashing.) If you wanted to screw with the recording, just overlay the projection with a high-wattage IR pulse, preferably in a shifting moire pattern to really mess up the viewer.

      However, if you're dedicated enough, all of these protection schemes can be nullified - with a progressive frame camera, shifting refresh rates can be ignored, with the appropriate filters extraneous IR/UV interference can be screened out. And, of course, none of these protection schemes can defend against a projectioninst collaborating with a pirate to telecine a print directly to video, bypassing the need to skulk in dark corners with a handycam...
  • by Knife_Edge ( 582068 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @09:59AM (#5764316)
    If the story is a duplicate, don't comment on it. I know it will take discipline not to cut and paste previous highly rated comments, but something has got to give here to make the editors take notice. I say, ignore the duplicate stories. No comments, no interest. There is no point voicing disapproval as it is generally ignored. Therefore I suggest voicing nothing at all.
  • Ignoring exactly how many FPS the eye can see, wouldn't it still take something away from the picture quality of the movie to modulate the light in a way that seriously disrupts recording devices? And I wonder if it hurts digital and analog recording devices.

    Maybe it works like TV or old PC screen on television, where the refresh rate synchs up with the recording rate.
  • Three Words (Score:5, Funny)

    by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:31AM (#5764333)
    Epileptic
    Seizure
    Lawsuit
  • by Sunnan ( 466558 ) <sunnan@handgranat.org> on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:33AM (#5764335) Homepage Journal
    I'm sick and tired of the movie industry abusing it's power like
    this. Not only do they have ogling agents and metal detectors, but now
    they're purposely distorting the image. (Ignoring the risk of
    epileptic seizures?) For those keeping score at home, that's yet
    another account of reducing the use value of the movie to increase
    it's trade value. (Others include regions and encryptions on DVD..)

    I see this as economical sabotage as well as hugely egoistic. I'll be
    sticking to warez and indepentent cinema from now on, rather than risk
    funding even more of these pathetic stunts.

    (This may seem a bit flamey, but well, "Fear leads to anger" and
    Hollywood is certainly scary enough for me now. Thanks.)

  • Researchers are mindful that creating too rapid a flicker could trigger seizures in some people.

    Awfully nice of them to watch out for us that way...

    Is it just my imagination, or does this article try to paint the Hollywood "agents" and "enforcers" as some sort of quasi-law-enforcement personnel?
  • by Alien54 ( 180860 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:34AM (#5764340) Journal
    There is a recent press release on the stuff by Cinea and Sarnoff. The release on the Cinea website is inside an annoying sequence of pop-up windows, but Sarnoff has the joint press release here [sarnoff.com]. not much more information, but useful.
  • They're losing their Whack-A-Mole [techtarget.com] game with the true pirates. As a result, they're getting frustrated. They are bound and determined to take their frustrations [mpaa.org] out on the little guy [eff.org] and want to extend legislation [eff.org].

  • by djupedal ( 584558 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:40AM (#5764348)
    Sony announced their new line of digital video cameras today, which include a system developed to modulate flicker or other patterns that would ordinarily be picked up by recording devices.
  • by Jarnis ( 266190 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:47AM (#5764374)
    Let's see. The major advantage of a movie theater vs. DVD or warez rips is the quality of presentation.

    Lets mess up the quality of presentation in the name of 'copy protection' and make the paying customer suffer. Borrow the idea straight out of the CD business - copy protection with CDs is going down with the customers SO well!

    Really smart...

    (Yeah yeah, supposedly you cannot see the flicker. I belive it when I (don't) see it - until then I assume this degrades the image quality.)

    Now if this is limited to 'pre-release' preview screenings where the people are not, by default, paying to see the movie - then I have little issue with this - go ahead and muck the picture as badly as you want if the screening is a freebie. However, if I'm paying for it, I don't want crappier quality in the name of 'copy protection'.
  • by limekiller4 ( 451497 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @10:47AM (#5764375) Homepage
    I don't mind if they hire thugs to guard the doors or pay good money to render the screens unrecordable so long as they keep shipping perfect copies in the form of DVDs (screeners) to people who vote in awards shows a few weeks or months prior to the actual theatrical release.

    This is what my grandmother would have referred to as "closing the barn doors after the horses have already left."

    Hmmm. $50 to take four children (and myself) to go see Ice Age or invite over every neighborhood kid on the block to watch it on our HD for free before it hit the theatres. That's a tough call. Well, "free" isn't strictly true. $5 for a metric ton of popcorn.

    I don't know what is wrong with the RIAA. If people are willing to watch a shitty copy (Cam/Telesync sucks) of a film instead of shelling out the loot for the full whiz-bang of a theatre experience ...what does that tell you?

    The truly stupid would say "it tells me we need to hire thugs to guard doors."

    The moderately stupid would say "this means we need to lower prices."

    The bright would do nothing.

    The enlightened would see an untapped market.
    • by Quarters ( 18322 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:10PM (#5764532)
      I don't know what is wrong with the RIAA.

      Maybe they're sick and tired of you bitching at them for stuff the MPAA is doing?

    • by Viceice ( 462967 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:13PM (#5764541)
      That is so true. I was just thinking this the other day, here in Asia, we have people selling bootlegged VCDs of every possible movie. Then we have people like the local chaper of the MPAA trying to stop all this people. I'm thinking why bother?

      Those who would shell out the money to see a movie on the big screen whould have already done so. It's those who won't normally shell out $10 a person to see a show that will buy the VCDs.

      So instead of spending many millions of dollars fighting a battle you will never win, why not make a few bucks off these people? Come out with your own version of 'bootleg' make a compressed version of your movie, in 320x288, make the color a bit off-ish and downmix the 5.1 sorround to a mono.

      Sell it for $2 more then the piates and what do you have? a product that is still better then a camcorder movie, but still crappy enough to keep people in the cinema. You make mone instead of loose it in sales and fighting pirates, and even if the pirates bootleg that, because it's within their means, people'd rather do the right thing.

      And Step 3, Profit!
  • Infrared light (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jetmarc ( 592741 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @11:26AM (#5764390)
    One very simple possibility to deny bootleg videos is to install a high power
    infrared light source. Most video cameras pick up infrared just as good as
    visible light. Thus the bootleg copy is just garbage.

    However, photography accessories include infrared filters, which may cut down
    on quality (hey, what quality???), but enable the bootlegger to continue his
    job. Also, to my knowledge there is no study about the medical effects of
    beaming high wattage infrared light right into the eyes of cinema visitors
    (including children).

    Marc
    • Not everything is sensitive to infrared light, traditional film for example is not by it's nature sensitive (some cameras use infrared light in place of sprockets for more accurate film positioning), but digital cameras and normal camcorders are.

      You could filter out IR light rather easily though, and it wouldn't degrade quality much at all.

    • However, photography accessories include infrared filters, which may cut down on quality (hey, what quality???), but enable the bootlegger to continue his job.

      Actually, hot-mirror filters don't really distort image quality at all. A lot of digital camcorders already have 'em, actually; they're just not 100% effective. Anyway, they're regularly used in photography...they don't distort image quality to the extent you'd even begin to notice on, say, a broadcast-quality digital beta camera.

      Also, to my kn

    • But what if you installed low powered IR strobes? All you need are LEDs as strong as theones on a remote, just many of them. have them strobe on and off radomly on varying intervles and on diffrent frequencies. Sure you can filter it, but it not 100% of it, and that is sure going to annoy anyone watching the tape after.

  • Snow Crash (Score:4, Funny)

    by Flamesplash ( 469287 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @11:30AM (#5764392) Homepage Journal
    Would be really mean but they could make the flash represent a snow crash image that'll fry all the techies brains.
  • How it works (Score:2, Interesting)

    If you have ever filmed the front of a remote control with a camcorder, you know that the infrared LED can be seen pulsating when you press buttons. This leads to the conclusion that the CCDs inside camcorder catch a broader spectrum of light than the human eye does.

    So I don't know how this cinema solution works, but if a friend asked me to equip his cinema against "pirates", I would just install a infrared strobe light somewhere - job nicely done.
  • I know a few people whose eyes are very sensitive to light. Some can tollerate movies now, but they can't tollerate florescent lights and the like. This whole idea of adding more "flicker" to the screen could make movies unbarable for these people. What are the chances of the companies realizing this?
  • by Pope Raymond Lama ( 57277 ) <gwidionNO@SPAMmpc.com.br> on Saturday April 19, 2003 @11:47AM (#5764446) Homepage
    Just like the Macrovision protection in DVD's, there we go again, paying the REAL pirates for that they pay other bandits to DECREASE the quality of images we pay to view. Or anyone believe that this, or DVD Macrovision for that sake, does actually mantain image quality as the perpetrators clain?
    • Since the Macrovision protection on DVDs is nothing more than a single bit (protection on/off) it doesn't degrade the movie's quality at all.

      DVD Players that decide to honor this bit, however, is the problem. But I think most players have a nice hidden menu setting to turn it off nowadays.
  • by Skreech ( 131543 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @11:49AM (#5764453)
    Cinea LLC, which created an encryption system for DVDs[...]

    Yes, the highly successful encryption system for DVDs! I'd say any individual involved in the creation of that system must be some of the smartest in the world, because we all know how unbreakable that is. Oh woe, if only we could decrypt DVDs, but alas it has proven as hard as breaking all other forms of encryption combined!

    *puts on "Got DeCSS?" t-shirt and walks away*
  • by droopus ( 33472 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @11:55AM (#5764473)
    First off, this technology is only for digital cinemas. Not very many of them right now.

    This also shows how little the MPAA and their minions know of film piracy culture. Most cams are nuked anyway, since they usually are unwatchable. Telesyncs (a tripodded cam with direct sound source) are a little better (and can be very good if shot properly), but are typically released if they are the only option - for the past six months, most films released eventually have Screener versions released. If the first release is a Cam/TS, that is usually superceded by a Screener within a week or two. Hey Hollywood: fix the leaks in the studios and your post facilities first before you attack the lowest of technologies. A PDA cam with a tiny surveillance lens? Please.

    Before Oscar season, almost any popular film was available in DVDRip format, since the studios felt piracy was less important than gathering Academy votes, and they issued tens of thousands of Consideration DVDs to Academy members. If piracy of their most popular and valuable assets was secondary to winning awards, why all the fuss now about Cams?

    There are also rips taken directly off the DigiBeta which are absolutely stunning. Again, this is an internal studio problem, and $2 million in taxpayer money will do NOTHING to stop that.

    This is like fighting cocaine importation by attacking the kids on the street smoking cheap nickel bag weed.
  • ok, so a cam version comes out pretty quickly - and, you can download it within a matter of hours from any decent file sharing system.

    but, really - have you ever see one of these? they suck. even if they were very high quality, they suck. the audio is bad, and, the lighting could be improved a bit.

    i think these companies should be more worried about the DVD screeners that are ripped.. you know the ones that say "this movie is owned by XXXX recording studios.. blah blah", but, since they only appear for a
  • Personally, I don't have that much of a problem with this. I think they're being really silly, but if they really want to spend that much time and money on this, they can go right ahead.

    If it negatively affects picture quality though, I'll be pretty annoyed.

  • by jpetts ( 208163 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:06PM (#5764518)
    The research is funded by a $2 million grant from the Advanced Technology Program of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, a government agency.

    So the government is funding commercial companies (Cinea, Sarnoft) to come up with a technology to help protect the profits of other commercial companies? Not entirely unexpected, I suppose...
  • Screening Foibles (Score:5, Interesting)

    by KFury ( 19522 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:07PM (#5764522) Homepage
    I recently visited Los Angeles and was invited to see two prescreenings (The Italian Job and Bruce Almighty). In both screenings they searched bags and wanded the patrons.

    They had a list of 'disallowed' items including still cameras, video cameras, and cellphones. In practice, they didn't do anything about cellphones, as most people had them and would be unwilling to leave them at the door.

    As for the cameras, I didn't know the restriction at my first screening, and I had my digicam with me. I put it in my jacket pocket and held my jacket in my hand when I held my arms out for wanding. They didn't notice a thing. I didn't use it at all, but it was pretty silly how easy it would be to get a camera in.

    The second time around they felt my jacket pockets and found a lump where I kept my paperback book. They peeked in to the pocket and said, "What's that?"

    "It's a book." (under my breath, "It's what we used for entertainment before movies.")

    Anyhow, it's nice if they can block recording in select theaters. I recall an earlier slashdot story a year ago about this, and how it would be useless unless they got it in *every* theater. At least in prescreening situations, this technology seems a lot more useful.
  • How bad would it be if both the movie and DVD were released at the same time? People that have kids will probably not take them to see the latest movie when they can wait a few months and buy the DVD at half the price of taking family of 4 to see it. Also some people have a really good home cinema set up why not let them watch it as soon as possible on it. That way all the advertising can be done at the same time for the movie/dvd release - hence cheaper for the company to advertise.
  • Maybe now people will wait to pirate the movie until the dvd comes out. I hate it when the only copies of a movie available are crappy screener copies. Kazaa(lite) STILL doesn't have any decent copies of the first Harry Potter movie, because people all downloaded the screener copies, and haven't bothered to distribute a version ripped from DVD.
  • I'd like to see... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dalangalma ( 514344 ) <{moc.arebmun} {ta} {amlagnalad}> on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:17PM (#5764559) Homepage
    I'd like to see the studios (and yes, I know they're too dumb to do this) release a screener copy of say, Matrix Reloaded, to the P2P networks themselves, and then see if people don't still flock to the theaters. I mean, they keep saying it's hurting sales so much, so if a good divx copy is widely available at the same time as the release in theaters, nobody should show up. But I think most people want the big-movie-theater experience with a movie like that.
    • I'd like to see the studios (and yes, I know they're too dumb to do this) release a screener copy of say, Matrix Reloaded, to the P2P networks themselves

      Have you searched Kazaa et al for "Matrix Reloaded"?

      I have, and found many different file-sizes near 700 MB. So I decided to download a few (cable modem is very nice), and the titles I got were:

      • The Legend of Drunken Master
      • Almost Famous
      • Saving Private Ryan
      • Joy Ride
      • Lustgarden

      Someone is having fun poisoning the network -- but they're poisoning

  • With the crap that's released these days, they obviously want to cut back so the release will be a giant surprise and noone will know it sucks before they get to the theatre. However with my shitty cam screener, I can easily see the paper thin plot and save my $7.
  • by falsified ( 638041 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:21PM (#5764570)
    The MPAA is planning on using a technique that will protect its rights over the works its member studios have produced.

    This technique doesn't involve subpoenas to ISPs to get the identities of p2p users.

    This technique doesn't involve scare tactics targeted at network admins.

    This technique does not involve arrests, fine, or prison sentences.

    This technique does not involve some cockeyed "protection scheme" that renders the product absolutely useless in certain circumstances.

    What the fuck do you guys want?

    • This technique presents a health risk to my eyes and brain.

      This technique is a deadly risk to epileptics.

      They will spend MORE to implement this than they are losing from this type of piracy. Pirating DVDs is one thing, but are they really that stupid to believe that people who would watch a crappy camcorder copy are otherwise willing to pay the price of a movie ticket?
      • This technique presents a health risk to my eyes and brain.
        This technique is a deadly risk to epileptics.

        That's pretty serious. Do you have any proof? I'd be suprised if you did, considering the technique isn't actually implemented anywhere yet.

        From the article: "The disruptive flickers would be unseen by the human eye in the movie theater."

        Believe it or not, it just might be possible that they are telling the truth about this, and it won't impact anyone other than the people who wanted to rec

    • by Lord_Slepnir ( 585350 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @01:24PM (#5764790) Journal
      What the fuck do you guys want?

      Free movies, of course

    • The MPAA is planning on using a technique that will protect its rights over the works its member studios have produced. This technique doesn't involve subpoenas to ISPs to get the identities of p2p users. This technique doesn't involve scare tactics targeted at network admins. This technique does not involve arrests, fine, or prison sentences. This technique does not involve some cockeyed "protection scheme" that renders the product absolutely useless in certain circumstances.

      What the fuck do you
  • Let's just hope.. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by saqmaster ( 522261 )
    ... there aren't any epileptics watching.
  • by shri ( 17709 ) <shriramc.gmail@com> on Saturday April 19, 2003 @12:25PM (#5764589) Homepage
    The latest batch of pirated movies that I've seen around Hong Kong and southern china are DVD quality ripoffs from DVDs that the movie studios send to journalists, academy / awards voters and other folks that need to be appeased in the PR process.

    Video cameras in movie theaters are now obsolete. The process of pirating movies has been perfected with social engineering.
  • Publicity? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by inc0gnito ( 443709 )
    Is it just me or does seem more like a publicity stunt on the behalf of the MPAA more than anything else? Something they can point to and say "Hey, look, we're doing our part in trying to prevent movie piracy."

    As mentioned before spending all this time/effort/money to try and stop cam movie rips, while at the same time distributing massive amounts of screeners which are then ripped at close to dvd quality is ridiculous. It seems more likely that they'll use this as a political tool the next time they try
  • Anyone with even a moderate understanding of graphics programming could write software to remove the flickers. Certainly the quality may suffer a tiny bit, but films recorded in the theater are not so great anyway. This isn't like attempting to make counterfeit money; minor issues aren't going to matter.
  • i assume this technology can be easily defeated if it even exists. most likely they are just trying to stop the bleeding that they have in their investments.

    they need to make a statement to combat their losses every week or so. so they mumble some insane thing. related or not to their losses.

    most of the good video are copies of 'for review only' are they are just copies of a vhs tape to me in quality. and the groups release them before the movie is actually out which hypes up the demand.

    i still think thi

  • If this becomes a problem for the bootlegging market, I see some demand emerging for motion picture film cameras (if they can find one on eBay that's quiet and small enough) as they would not be effected by FPS rates or sneaky scrambling techniques. They film the thing in the theater, maybe at a really late night showing on a Monday night when it's not too crowded, leave, get the thing developed, and capture the pirate-able motion picture onto their computer one way or another.

    They could possibly accompli
  • Same old story... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by xenobyte ( 446878 )
    Now they've found another way to make us pay for stuff that's only nessesary because they want total control and the power to make some people feel important.

    We've heard about RIAA making up glued discmans and similar stupid things to prevent reviewers from ripping the preview CDs and putting them on the net before public release. We've also heard about MPAA effectually strip-searching reviewers to make sure they don't carry recording devices into a preview show, and now they want to invest time and money
  • "Imperceptible" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Viking Coder ( 102287 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @01:13PM (#5764763)
    "imperceptible to the viewer in the theater"

    Just like flourescent lights have an imperceptible flicker?

    Just like security cameras have an imperceptible high-frequency audio hum?

    Just like mp3's have imperceptible audio distortion?

    Just like city water has an imperceptible aftertaste?

    Just like Microsoft has imperceptible security flaws?

    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it does."
  • by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @01:26PM (#5764798) Homepage Journal
    You'll still have to search every person who walks in to the room with spare change or a set of car keys. Or guns. Last I heard, carrying those was still legal. That'd be funny though -- have security ask you if that's a camcorder and tell them "No... it's a Desert Eagle .50 caliber." Oh ok go right in then. So you may as well just strip search every person that goes into the advance screening room and get it over with.

    Of course, it doesn't concern me. Last time I was in a theater was to see "Bowling for Columbine." Which is, as far as I'm concerned, about the only movie worth seeing this year. I'm not sure anything that I've seen in the past about 3 years has been affiliated with the MPAA (Brotherhood of the Wolf, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon) but I'm definitely not contributing to the blockbuster machine. I'm not seeing the next Star Wars flick (Didn't see the last one either) not seeing Lord of the Rings, not seeing the next X-Men flick and I'm not seeing the next Matrix flick because I don't like the MPAA and I don't like their tactics. And if I waver on the whole MPAA thing there's still always the fact that you go and drop $9 on a movie and have to sit through half an hour of commercials before the movie starts.

    For a few dollars more I can go see a live play and be much more entertained. The play won't have some corporation trying to ram its merchandise down my throat either.

  • by LittleGuy ( 267282 ) on Saturday April 19, 2003 @02:02PM (#5764930)
    Now, the latest attempt to fight piracy will be to show the movie with a particular flicker, imperceptible to the viewer in the theater, but making any video recording unwatchable.

    But Hollywood already makes too many unwatchable movies!

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