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Low Cost Cinema Through Dynamic Pricing 385

cinesprocket writes "EasyJet, the European pioneer of LowCost airline travel has broadened its horizon into the entertainment field. easyCinema is to open tomorrow in Milton Keynes, England, offering cinema-goers cheap rate tickets as low as 20 pence (33 cents) using the same formula that made their airline company revolutionise the industry in Europe. However, according to the the BBC, easyCinema is being given the bird by Hollywood who will not allow it to show it's high cost movies for a low price for fear that it will create a domino effect in the future, like the airline industry has felt (in Europe). Given that easyCinema is willing to pay the movie producers the same price as the other multiplexes, it shouldn't matter what price they sell on the tickets at for we poor folk? Their success depends upon showing the big films and their lawyers are reported to be already mounting a case. Given that the case will be heard in England, where the MPAA have less of a hold on the government, it will be interesting whether they can bring the behemoth to its knees."
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Low Cost Cinema Through Dynamic Pricing

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  • Wha lawyers? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Have Blue ( 616 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @01:10AM (#6029456) Homepage
    Courts? Why are there courts involved? Is easyCinema trying to force the MPAA to sign a contract? Is the MPAA trying to get easyCinema shut down even though they aren't doing business with each other?
  • MPAA (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Soulfarmer ( 607565 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @01:10AM (#6029457) Homepage Journal
    should be US-only problem. If something, in this case rights to show a movie in a theather, is sold to europe, MPAA should not have ANY say in the matter. As long as both parties of the deal which gives those rights follow the deal.

    It makes me angry to even think about any meddling from MPAA part on british, or any european film avenue for that matter.
  • Just imagine... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Code-Ex ( 655722 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @01:18AM (#6029485)
    - Frequent viewer miles - Standby viewings - Movie ticket scalping - Last minute rushes for extremely low prices - Progressive/preferential seating and all those other "niceties" ^_^
  • by philipgar ( 595691 ) <{pcg2} {at} {lehigh.edu}> on Saturday May 24, 2003 @01:22AM (#6029501) Homepage
    what I don't understand is how this company claims to be able to make any profit. The motion picture companies have the right to charge what they want for a movie, after all how else are we going to get 200 million dollar blockbusters? What doesn't make sense is selling tickets this cheap. Sure if you plan on making money off concessions you can get away with it. But their website even said that they encourage people to bring their own sodas and popcorn. They mentioned that most theaters are only 20% full. Makes sense, as most people can't make showings at 2 in the afternoon on a work day. But regardless of how cheap tickets are people still can't make the showings. They talk about making money in the margins, but it doesn't seem logical. If they have to pay a fee to the movie company for each viewer of it, then there's no possible way this makes sense. Who knows, maybe theirs some brittish law that forces motion picture companies to sell tickets in a certain manner. If this is true, and they'd be paying less pre viewer, then I understand why the MPAA or whoever would be angry, and not want them to sell tickets. As the information I see shows though, it just looks like a business model that will follow the dot coms to a massive crash. Philip
  • Why not? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Viceice ( 462967 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @01:24AM (#6029507)
    As it stands, in some parts of the not so rich world , movie tickets are just about equel that in value.

    So what if the lowest possible ticket price is 33 cents? it's just like booking a really cheap flight.. teh cheapest one being the 3 a.m flight which you have to book 6 months adead for.

    Why not have it like in a real theather, where the better seats, say smack right in the center, are more expensive then the left most seat in the front row?

    You get to advertise cheap and you have the option of paying less for a crappy seat.
  • Re:Just imagine... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cheshiremackat ( 618044 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @01:47AM (#6029578)
    You know what... there is a cinema in Toronto that offers *First Class* stlye services like on an airline... the tickets are 50% more, BUT you get a seat in a smaller theater, with Lay-Z-Boy type seats, free coat check (a nicety for Winter in Toronto), and a cinema Peon to fetch your popcorn and water (still have to pay though)...

    So although it costs more, and I feel like a snob going, it actually becomes more reasonable everytime I see a movie at the *regular* (coach?) seating... Before the Matrix was 30 minutes of commercials, 5 (!?!) movie previews (1 good 4 crap), and waiting for the movie to start (before the lights dimm) there were slideshow ads on the screen...

    Paying first class is certainly worthwhile, just to avoid all the advertisements!

    _CMK
  • Re:MPAA (Score:2, Interesting)

    by malfunct ( 120790 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @02:17AM (#6029648) Homepage
    Except (as it has been stated before) in the case that they are a monopoly in which case as the sole provider of the service they have less choice of who they sell to so long as those people are willing to pay the same price as everyone else purchasing the product.
  • by rpresser ( 610529 ) <rpresser@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Saturday May 24, 2003 @02:57AM (#6029753)
    Entry for Myriad [reference.com]:

    adj.
    1. Constituting a very large, indefinite number; innumerable: the myriad fish in the ocean.
    2. Composed of numerous diverse elements or facets: the myriad life of the metropolis.

    n.
    1. A vast number: the myriads of bees in the hive.
    2. Archaic. Ten thousand.

    Usage Note: Throughout most of its history in English myriad was used as a noun, as in a myriad of men. In the 19th century it began to be used in poetry as an adjective, as in myriad men. Both usages in English are acceptable, as in Samuel Taylor Coleridge's "Myriad myriads of lives." This poetic, adjectival use became so well entrenched generally that many people came to consider it as the only correct use. In fact, both uses in English are parallel with those of the original ancient Greek. The Greek word mYrias, from which myriad derives, could be used as either a noun or an adjective, but the noun mYrias was used in general prose and in mathematics while the adjective mYrias was used only in poetry.
  • Multiplex history (Score:4, Interesting)

    by toxcspdrmn ( 471013 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @03:31AM (#6029807) Homepage
    Milton Keynes was the first place in Britain to build a multiplex cinema. [bdp.co.uk]. The Point [powernet.co.uk] opened in 1985, but (I have heard) is having to close as it is has been unable to compete against the new Xscape [mkweb.co.uk] cinema/indoor ski/health centre.

    Incidentally, Milton Keynes is also home to probably the world's only herd of concrete cows [concretecow.com].
  • by psxndc ( 105904 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @03:36AM (#6029815) Journal
    Same sort of deal: cushy seats, free popcorn and soda, you have to be 21 to get in, but each ticket costs about $18. I'd say totally worth it except that my car window got smashed in their parking lot during the X2 opening night.

    To be fair, they share the lot with the Multiplex that is part of the same building, but when I asked managment "Where are the cameras for the parking lot?", they said "The landlord won't allow them." I called the landlord and they said "What? They can have cameras if they want. It's in their land lease". Kinda soured me on the whole joint.

    psxndc

  • Re:Wha lawyers? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by KewlPC ( 245768 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @03:51AM (#6029839) Homepage Journal
    Except you forget that the movie's makers get their money from ticket sales, at least they do here in the US.

    Even if easyCinema offered to make up for the difference in ticket price (which they aren't; they're just saying they'll pay the same amount for the right to show the film as the other theaters, which is very small compared to the film's actual budget), easyCinema's price for everything else (candy, drinks, etc.) would skyrocket (why do you think theaters charge so much already? When you only get 50% of the ticket price, you've got to make your money elsewhere).

    Typically here in the US, the distributor gets 50%, and the theater gets the other 50%. The distributor then takes their 50% and divides it up amongst all remaining parties according to their contract(s) with said remaining parties.

    And the MPAA isn't a monopoly. It doesn't make movies, it doesn't distribute them, and it doesn't advertise them, therefor it can't be a monopoly. The whole point of the MPAA originally was to be a non-governmental regulatory force (here in the States, it's the MPAA that gives the movies their (voluntary) rating; it was also the MPAA that decided the dispute between New Line Cinema and MGM over the name of Austin Powers: Goldmember), but its purpose has been extended a bit since then.

    What's more, the member studios compete against each other, and none of them are monopolies.

    If ordered that since they allow other theaters to exhibit their films they must also allow easyCinema to, it could be very likely that the major Hollywood studios would simply not distribute their films in theaters at all, since they don't make much money in the UK anyway (even non-fluff, non-action films make only a few million in the UK).

    Ultimately, I think that this will hurt everybody: the big Hollywood studios, the UK studios, and the independents, since 50% of a 33 cent ticket price is only 16.5 cents. At that rate, even if everyone in the United States (population is approx. 280 million) saw a film, it would only pull in 46.2 million. And since the percentage of any country's population that see a particular film is incredibly small, films would make far less.

    But how would this hurt the moviegoing public? Simple: far fewer films will get made (if any), they will be much shorter, and of far lower quality.
  • Comfy chairs? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by davesag ( 140186 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @04:20AM (#6029894) Homepage
    <opinion informed="true">I just hope that the seats they have in these easy cinemas are more comfortable than the seats in EastJet planes. If you've ever flow EasyJet you'll know that they have the most horribly uncomfortable seats. So much so I'll not fly them again. Also to fly easyjet you have to get both a train and a bus from central london all the way out to luton - adds a heap to the ticket price. then there is no allocated seating so you just have to scramble for a seat, with entry order based on the order you arrive at the airport and check in. they often delay and cancel flights at the very last minute because there are not enough seats filled. imagine this with cinema - you turn up but they don't start the show until the seats are 90% sold. so an 8:30 screening will almost always start at 9:30 or later. in the meantime you'll be watching ads. and sure they won't sell popcorn but bet your sweet ass there will be soft drink vending machines at £2 per can - or £2.50 for a bottle of water.

    nah sorry i'm all for cheaper ticket prices - but hell, go to the prince charles cinema in soho if you want cheap prices. most films there are only £2 per screening, and you can buy tickets at the box office - no need to go out and buy a printer just so you can print out your internet issued bar code.

    bollocks to that.

    also, i am in bulgaria right now and paid a grand BLV5 (= approx £1.80) to see the matrix reloaded, in english with bulgarian subtitles, in a pretty decent cinema. in the UK the cinemas in leicester square charge around £10 = £12 per ticket last time i looked, and you have been able to buy them online too for years. only you don't have to print out a stupid bar code, you just turn up, stick your credit card in the slot and it spits out your tickets. incidentally this is how BAs online flight tickets work and it rocks. you buy your tickets online and just turn up to the airport, stick your card in the slot and use the touch screen to choose your seats, answer the basic security questions and it spits out your boarding passes. then you just hand over your bags at a special desk reserved for e-ticket holders and bingo you are off. takes less than 5 minutes usually.

    all easycinema will do it force real cinemas to cut costs and that's a good thing for consumers. but only kids or the homeless would put up with their special brand of easyservice. on given this willl be a staff-free cinema i expect the kids and the homeless will get on just fine - trading glue and drugs for wood alcohol</opinion>

  • DivX vs. easyCinema (Score:2, Interesting)

    by klang ( 27062 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @04:44AM (#6029951)
    Actually, I would say that this easyCinema idea can be used to battle DivX versions of movies .. I mean, would you bother to download a crappy version of a movie you could go see for next to nothing?

    /klang
  • by BlightThePower ( 663950 ) on Saturday May 24, 2003 @07:56AM (#6030259)
    First a point of order and then an opinion...

    At the risk of pissing in the wind here... the answer to quite a few questions that are above this are in the article.

    Those confused by the viability of the business model: NOTE: Not *all* the tickets will cost 20p. In fact, probably relatively few. As the article says, you could actually pay 5 pounds, which is more than my local cinema charges now. Sure, the tickets will be on average cheaper but this 20p thing is clearly an advertising gimmick. And as such it seems to be working so far.

    I wonder how succesful this will be. Flying, if the experience as a whole is reduced in quality is fine; its a functional activity getting from A-to-B. (EasyJet=no "free" inflight snack or drink, no "free" papers, the crews do the cleaning etc, you are herded on, you are herder off) You don't fly for the sake of it. Going to the cinema on the otherhand is about more than the film itself. Depending on how far corners are cut (maintenance, technical specs of equipment, cleanliness etc.) it might be a bit unappealing as something you might do for the sake of it.

    Personally I welcome this if only because I can grandly goto a more expensive cinema round the corner and be able to watch in peace without rowdy teenagers annoying me. All for a few extra quid. Seems like a bargain to me. Everyone will be happy :-P
  • high prices (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 24, 2003 @10:09AM (#6030530)
    Low-cost cimemas would be great. Around here, in the greater Detroit area, it's $8.75US for a movie, way too much for me to see them. I imagine pretty soon prices will hit $10.00.

    At these high prices, it becomes a much easier decision for people to just buy the DVD with extra scenes and watch it on the huge-ass widescreen projection TV's that we all have nowdays.

    At $.33 though, I'd be watching them in the theatre.

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