BitTorrent Blamed for Matrix2 Downloads

MartyJG writes "The BBC are running a story on how Matrix Reloaded is available via P2P. This time BitTorrent is taking the heat for the distribution - even though there's no company behind it to drag over the coals. The story speculates about the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech." Despite this piracy, the flick has made over $365M already. Including my tickets. Twice.

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg?

[Anonymous Coward]

Ahem.... Perhaps you missed this detail from the BBC article:


Although it is not unusual for pirate copies of blockbuster films to appear on the internet soon after release, they are often of poor quality, filmed on a hidden videcamera by a cinemagoer.

The picture is often jerky, with poor sound, punctuated by ambient noise in the cinema.

But the copy available using BitTorrent appears to be have made from a film print, and is in widescreen format with surround sound.

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you bothered to read the article, you would know that the Bittorrent version is actually a high quality copy with surround sound, unlike the two telesyncs already up on sharereactor.

Film source? Nonsense.

[CiaranMc]

This is pure nonsense. There are about 6 different versions of Reloaded floating about online but all the ones I've seen are Telesyncs.

There aren't any screener versions or similar online yet... believe me, I'd have looked!

At the end of the day, I can't imagine any Matrix fans are going to download the movie rather than seeing it on the big screen and/or buying the DVD.

Follow the White rabbit

[Anonymous Coward]

Rabbit Hole [siol.com]

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent

[klmth]

I know this is a joke, but I'll bite.
Due to the swarming nature of BitTorrent, additional users downloading a file will not slow your downloads down. Quite the contrary - everyone will experience speedier downloads.

Re:Link?

[Anonymous Coward]

This is all I have:

http://ukraine-mobi.4.com1.ru/The.Matrix.Reloade d. SVCD.TS-Centropy.torrent

But I think the "TS" means it's a TeleSync, so this is probably not the one the article is talking about.

Amazing how wrong they get theese things

[Anonymous Coward]

The copy of matrix reloaded they are probably talking about is a telesync by centropy. It is shot whith a dv cam in a theatre, with a direct audio feed, encoded to svcd, 3 cd's, and has been all over the net for over a week...

Here's that torrent file

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.torrentfiles.com/downloads/matrix.reloa ded.ts-esoteric.torrent [torrentfiles.com]

Someone mirror it please in case torrentfilies.com goes down.

Re:Wow!

[Anonymous Coward]

http://10mbit.com/suprnova/the.matrix.reloaded.div x.ts.daduck_sn.torrent
(730 MB, DivX)

http://10mbit.com/suprnova/The.Matrix.Reloaded.S VC D.TS-Centropy.torrent
(2.6 gb, Bin/Cue) - Great quality...a little dark in places, but essentially like watching it in the theater.

Re:Link?

[Anonymous Coward]

http://10mbit.com/suprnova/the.matrix.reloaded.div x.ts.daduck_sn.torrent

BitTorrent? Just shows how clueless they are..

[Anonymous Coward]

Who gives a damn about BitTorrent?

Newsgroups are where it's at. All three cd's of the Centropy SVCD release are in many of the alt.binaries groups.

Criticising BitTorrent shows just how clueless these guys are. Always aim at the end-user sharing program, and never at the underlying violators who are hosting the actual data being shared. Maybe if they went after Centropy, something might get done, but then again where could we go to download status symbols and be sup4r l33t??

Can't help noticing that it still somehow managed to gross a totally ridiculous amount of money..

.torrent link

[Anonymous Coward]

I believe this is what they are referring to.

http://www.torrentfiles.com/downloads/matrix.reloa ded.ts-esoteric.torrent [torrentfiles.com]

Re:How much is enough?

[Rick.C]

The movie has grossed $365M. That's not net. Given the screwy way Hollywood plays with the numbers, we may never know the true net.

Of course, this benefits Hollywood because they can throw out whatever numbers they want in any given situation/argument and no one can ever prove them wrong.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent

[descentr]

I think he was talking about asynchronus connections themselves like ADSL. 128kbit up, 1.5 mbit down. By its very definition, ADSL can't send nearly as much as it can receive, creating an imbalance.

Re:Problem is, its EQUALLY distributed.

[ReelOddeeo]

So if they go after ONE person, they also have to go after the other 700 million people downloading as well

Try telling that to the officer when you get a speeding ticket. "Well, I was going as fast as everyone else."

I think you misunderstand. Hope you don't learn the hard way.

They discover that your ip is offering this unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work. They investiate. Track you down. Some days later, you get served with legal process. (Or arrested?)

You are guilty of a crime. It doesn't matter that everyone else is also doing it. It doesn't matter if they don't even go after all the other people.

All they need to do is make a few very public examples. For this reason, I'm sure they'll sue you for $300 milliion, and then settle for $15,000. Just as the RIAA recently did with four students. This had the effect of completely stopping piracy of copyright works owned by RIAA member companies.

Re:Factual inaccuracy in the linked Article

[Anonymous Coward]

Use MPlayer for OSX [sourceforge.net]. You'll never want to use quicktime player again...

Re:Link?

[km790816]

Careful of the link, there was an extra space in the original.

http://10mbit.com/suprnova/the.matrix.reloaded.div x.ts.daduck_sn.torrent [10mbit.com]

Re:That's not how it works...

[allgood2]

True, but the websites that host to the bit torrent files are very vunerable to slashdot effect. The last article on Slashdot crumled some of the more popular sites. Three of my five favorite sites were down for 2-5 days. That said, once people grab the files and actually start downloading, when there is a more than 60 people streaming the file, downloads rock.

Re:Link?

[Anonymous Coward]

This one seems to work okay:

http://www.torrentfiles.com/downloads/matrix.reloa ded.ts-esoteric.torrent [torrentfiles.com]

Have phun

Re:Just In: Cisco Routers Blamed for Matrix2 Swapp

[f0rt0r]

Very funny. I have one. "College student sued for having copy of 'The Matrix Reloaded' on his computer. When asked for his take on the ordeal, he replied 'Copyright violation? Piracy? I thought this
''Internet'' thing was a subscription to a music/movie download service. I mean, what am paying these monthly fees and being forced to look at all the ads for anyhow?"

Re:Does Anyone Really Want a Crappy Bootleg?

[GNUman]

Just read it here:

TRANSCRIPT Architect-Neo [google.com]

Torrent links for Matrix Reloaded

[dark-br]

None of those are digital copys, only DTS but i got the REAL PROPER and its quite good quality.

ESOTERiC Release [siol.com]

REAL PROPER-APM Release [10mbit.com]

Centropy SVCD Release [10mbit.com]

Daduck-sn Release [10mbit.com]

Re:That's not how it works...

[TheSync]

Thanks for the info. BitTorrent seems to be a good solution for distributing bandwidth (probably over 100 Mbps for the 1000 simultaneous downloads), but perhaps we need to examine a more distributed model for the effort of tracking.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent

[Anonymous Coward]

honestly IRC SUCKS compared to bittorrent - provided you can find your file on a bittorrent site and the tracker is not down. irc, you sit waiting for a bot, then you wait in their queue for 5 hours before it finally starts downloading at maybe 50kb/sec from the ONE person serving it, and you hope your irc connection doesnt time out lest you wait in the q for another 5 hours

Re:Link?

[Anonymous Coward]

the Centropy Telesync is currently the best quality release (out of about 5)

i dont think a better one will be out until there is a DVD screener or retail DVD rip released.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent

[Yablo]

Forward TCP ports 6881-6889 to the machine that will be doing the torrenting.

Unless u have a Home Theatre System

[thinktank2]

You are wasting your time downloading a pirated movie. Besides... who would like to watch a movie like Matrix on anything less than a gaint screen ?

BitTorrent does not let you hide

[Splork]

Get a clue! bittorrent is not a privacy protecting lawless-idiot hiding p2p client. it is meant for big LEGAL downloads.

In order for bittorrent to work someone has to run a tracker. that is the centralization point. it is the single server on the net making the download possible by coordinating the peers for that download.

Legal entities take note: if you're going to sue someone first, sue the tracker operator(s)! Once that is said and done its EASY to simply ask any tracker for a list of peers serving the content to the world. Those are your next obvious targets.

bittorrent as an application is no different than running a simple web server hosting the content from a legal standpoint. it just saves on hosting bandwidth problems by using the downloading peers as a coordinated distributed cache during times of high load.

stategic criticism

[bigpat]

Sounds a bit like big media has made a strategic decision to criticise file sharing whenever their revenues don't meet initial estimates. Works nicely to cover their own overblown estimates and lays the groundwork for more federal intelectual property laws. While in reality the file trading has a negligable effect on their revenues and really they are just seeking legal controls on the medium which will maintain the high equipment costs that will keep the barriers to entry high for small movie makers. This is restraint of competition at it's simplest and most underhanded.

Also, if they are so concerned about the state of their art, why don't they focus on making the movie theatres enforce a modicum of civility. Last time I went to the movies (for the matrix reloaded) two people's cell phones rang and they answered them... they had conversations that went something like "hey" ... "I'm at the movies" ... "Watching matrix reloaded"... "yup"... "right"... "uh huh" "do you think I can call you later?"... "oh okay" ... "yup" ... "alright" ... "I'll call you tonight, or maybe tomorrow" ... "bye" And that was the shorter of the two. Not to mention the man that seemed to have no understanding that his constant commentary might disturb those around him... We ended up moving only to suffer the constant questions of a confused 10 year old kid with his father, I can't blame the kid, but the father should have known better.

A company can't charge $10 a pop for that kind of experience and then complain that they aren't getting all the money you deserve. You deserve what you get.

Re:A little perspective

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm in college. I saw it in theaters twice. I will see it sometime in the next week or two for the IMAX release. The day the DVD comes out, I'm buying it. I've downloaded 4 different versions off of bittorrent. So far one was a porn and one was of tolerable quality. Guess I can't get this one because all the bt sites are down (thanks /.). Hmm...Now that I think of it, this is the cycle for nearly every decent action movie released this year. Happend with Daredevil, X2, and now Matrix Reloaded. I'd say the movie industy's gotten my fair share of money. I'm by far not the only one who watches movies like this, as about 10 of my friends were with me at every showing I mention, and my friends at different universities tend to do the same thing. All in all this works out to about $50 a person (8+8+9+25), and for the most part my friends will likely buy the dvd too, so that's $500 just between my small group of friends, just for the movie. Did I mention that I'll be buying the Animatrix as soon as the DVD comes out (got that off bittorrent early too mind you), and I will buy Enter the Matrix later this week (got it early off bittorrent, all this money on the matrix adds up, gotta get my next paycheck).

I'm sick of being accused of causing these companies a loss of money. I go to concerts and buy CDs, and rip them to ogg to store on my backup server, completely legitimatly. I buy DVDs, I go to the movies, often times more than once. Media industry: this can change, are you sure you really want it to?

Re:Problem is, its EQUALLY distributed.

[volkerdi]

Try telling that to the officer when you get a speeding ticket. "Well, I was going as fast as everyone else."

Actually, in California you can tell that to the judge and if they can't produce a "speed survey" that's sufficiently recent from that stretch of road showing that you were travelling at least 10% faster than the average car, it's thrown out.

Now if we can just get some fair use legislation for P2P, we'll be all set. As long as you're not downloading 10% more than the average user, hands off, it's "fair use".

Re:Social Event

[Merk]

Oh, we hear you, and you piss us off, but mostly we're too polite to say anything, or we figure the evil glares we throw your direction will clue you in... but I guess not.

Re:Bit Torrent Project dead?

[Such_a_geek]

That particular site is down, but the main BitTorrent site [bitconjurer.org] is alive and kicking. Install links are there.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent

[CvD]

You could even out the imbalance by leaving your bittorrent download thingy on for a period of time after the download is finished. The period of time would be the download/upload ratio * the time it took to download the file. In this way you'll have uploaded the file at least once and contributed your share.

Cheers,

Costyn.

Re:Slashdotting of BitTorrent

[jooon]

Actually, it is the rate you are uploading that counts. A peer have a list of other peers. This peer list is sorted by how fast they serve you. You upload to the top three on this list. That's basically it.

But that doesn't mean your download rate is limited to your own upload rate. In simple statistics. Your download rate is the average of all the total current upstream divided by the number of people downloading. But of course nothing is average. It's above and it's below. :)

Re:That's not how it works...

[k-rad]

Speaking of more people to increase download speeds, help out by downloading the new Half-Life gameplay video. here [gametab.com]

bit-torrent required of course.

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