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Steve Jobs And Jeff Bezos Meet The Segway 535

deadwood writes "Ever wanted to know what Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos really thought about the Segway the first time he saw it? At the Harvard Business School site, there's an excerpt from the new book 'Code Name Ginger', giving a recounting of the Apple and Amazon bosses' first impressions of the device. Steve Jobs' gut reaction, quoted in the article: 'I think it sucks!'"
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Steve Jobs And Jeff Bezos Meet The Segway

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  • Dean Kamen took a big chance inviting Jeff Bezos, he's lucky Bezos didn't run out and try to patent [slashdot.org] the idea.

    Mike
  • Hey... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Faust7 ( 314817 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:02PM (#6215144) Homepage
    Let's hope they rode it better than you-know-who.
  • by sulli ( 195030 ) * on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:02PM (#6215149) Journal
    Pres. Bush [yahoo.com] loves it too. He can't handle it properly, however. [yahoo.com]

    (I agree with Jobs, btw.)

  • by numbski ( 515011 ) * <numbski&hksilver,net> on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:02PM (#6215152) Homepage Journal
    I won't argue the above remark. Without a doubt it is the truth.

    <rant>

    But man can he act like an arrogant prick!

    I love the products his company makes, and I respect his opinions, but the man needs some serious lessons in humility and respect for others. Servant leadership, lead by serving and showing others, not just by blasting them for being wrong.

    </rant>

    Okay then.
    • but the man needs some serious lessons in humility and respect for others

      Think he might have ended up making something of himself if he had? I wouldn't want to be on the recieving end of his contempt, but I can't imagine that Apple would be the company it is today if Jobs wasn't Jobs.
      • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:22PM (#6215370) Journal
        "I can't imagine that Apple would be the company it is today if Jobs wasn't Jobs"

        I doubt the Jobs of today is the same Jobs that started Apple. I don't see him sitting in front of his investors from way back when, saying: "I am not built that way, I can't sit through a presentation for 10 minutes. If you want me to leave, I'll leave". Most people are, and Jobs was in his early career as well, in a position where acting like a conceited git will get you nowhere. I admire Jobs for what he has created, but he had no call treating the others at that meeting to such a sideshow, just because he can.
    • by viking099 ( 70446 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:10PM (#6215259)
      I agreecompletely...
      While I respect his business acumen and ability to get his way, I don't think I'd be able to handle him as a friend, or even a business associate.
      What I sincerely hope is that his management style doesn't get mirrored by too many people. There are many ways to skin a cat, but I think Steve Jobs would be one of the few people who could make a cat feel so small that its skin just fell off.
    • by thatguywhoiam ( 524290 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:17PM (#6215324)
      But man can he act like an arrogant prick!

      I think he can be an arrogant prick, but I actually agree with pretty much everything he said in the exerpt.

      Look at the questions: Why does the design does not excite in any revolutionary way? Why are you building your own factory? These are issues that plague the Segway today. Also his suggestion for Stanford was a good one, it would have possibly forestalled some of the knee-jerk reaction seen in places like San Francisco.

      Also, comments like the grocery store example were pretty insightful. That is exactly the kidn of thing that the Segway was supposed to help with.

      There is a difference between 'servant leadership' as you put it, and demanding excellence and accountability from people. I've dealt with people like Jobs before - maybe not to his extent - but they only want people to be on the ball. Frankly I kind of admire that quality a bit; too many people are afraid to just confront and ask when necessary.

      • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @04:05PM (#6215806) Homepage
        When I read the account of the meeting, my impression of Steve Jobs was similar to that of what I have received of other effective senior executives of large companies.

        1. He is a very quick study and he came in prepared. It was a bit strange that he had notes written on his hand but he knew what he wanted to say.

        2. He had an agenda. He clearly didn't like the design and had issues with the lack of an introduction plan and the idea to manufacture on their own.

        3. He's been around the block and part of his questions and statements are really tests to see how well everybody is prepared. I'm sure if anybody knows how quickly something could be copied, it would be Jobs.

        4. It's interesting to me to hear that people think that he is an arrogant prick - I guess I've worked with a lot of them over the years.

        From my experience with this type of executive (as well as my own experiences over the years), what I walked away from this article is that Kamen and the company that he produced aren't in the league they need to be for the product to be a success. They clearly weren't prepared for businessmen of the calibre Bezos and Jobs.

        This article probably explains to me why the Segway hasn't been a great success - instead of Kamen, who's a great product idea man, they needed some kind of arrogant prick like Jobs to control the project.

        myke
        • by EccentricAnomaly ( 451326 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @04:23PM (#6215992) Homepage
          Job's comments were spot-on. He was blunt and rude so that they would listen to his points and they were really lucky to get advice from someone with Job's experience, and they should have listened instead of getting irritated and trying to get back to their meeting agenda. Agendas should be used to help start a discussion, not to stop it!

          The account made the Segway people sound like amateurs who suddenly found themselves playing in the major leagues. Jobs was doing them a favor by playing the role of a grizzled old coach and being very blunt in trying to talk them out of doing some stupid things.

          I wish I could get Steve Jobs to stay up all night thinking about my new product! They should've listened more to what he had to say.
          • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Monday June 16, 2003 @06:02PM (#6217313) Homepage Journal
            I have this problem too. I don't make any claims to any level of intelligence (Occasionally I share some state-sponsored metrics but other than that no) but I definitely have the same manner as Jobs. I really feel no enmity for the man whatsoever, he's done more to advance the future of computing than most have. He's a strong technology advocate, and I can't recall any behavior of his which I considered to be underhanded. Anyway with all that said he and I are both somewhat of a prick -- considered that way of course, I personally think I'm a great guy -- because neither one of us is particularly interested in cushioning the blows of our words.

            Let me tell you a little story of something that happened to me when I was doing level 2 support at Tivoli. I am fairly certain that it could not possibly be covered by any NDA because I forget all the pertinent technical details :) I shared an office with two coworkers and one of them was telling the customer something on the phone that wasn't true. I asked her to put them on hold and discuss that with me for a moment, and then she like waved me off. Now keep in mind I'm 19 or 20 at this time, and she's well old enough to be my mother, so I think you can see the clash of attitudes here. Anyway she proceeded to tell them this incorrect information and when she hung up I explained to her exactly why (technically) what she was telling them was wrong. This is from information I got from a developers' meeting, mind you. Straight from the you know whose you know what.

            Okay so this lady gets all pissed off and storms out to go piss and moan to our manager. So during our next meeting the boss just slammed her and praised me for going to these meetings and for trying to tell her the actual answer, hooray. This story has a fairly happy ending. But the point is that if I had been nicer about it, I probably could have told her in a way that would not have pissed her off so bad. While I came out ahead because I had been dotting and crossing, and didn't cuss her out or anything, I should have understood then (as I do now) that she would be predisposed to ignore my advice. Similarly, if Jobs wants to change the world, he has to be a little more gentle on occasion.

    • Jobs seems to be doing pretty well as an insistant prick. Why should he go all Ghandi just to appease a few Apple fans?

      Dude, it's Apple's "insistant prick" features that have made such good:
      "We're going all GUI."
      "We're going PowerPC."
      "No clones."
      "We're making colorful PCs."
      "If you want to add a peripheral, you're going to have to plug it in. No opening the case!"
      "Now we're making ONE color of PCs. And we're making it damn pretty."
      "People can rip CDs. They can burn their own."
      "No new development for OS 9."
      "$.99 per song."

      Apple alone has the courage to combine market research with the newest technology and announce with pride that their way is the best way. And they're right a lot more than they're wrong. If Jobs was a wishy washy guy, Apple would just be Micron, or worse, IBM.
      • by GoofyBoy ( 44399 )

        "Users can use the funky squiggly key if they want an alternate method."
    • by s20451 ( 410424 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:27PM (#6215432) Journal

      I respect his opinions, but the man needs some serious lessons in humility and respect for others.

      Strangely, this is exactly the way I feel about RMS [stallman.org]. What is it about technology and arrogant pricks?

    • by MasonMcD ( 104041 ) <masonmcd@ma[ ]om ['c.c' in gap]> on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:28PM (#6215453) Homepage
      He wasn't invited to be humble, or a yes-man. He was invited to give his opinion on the possible marketing and profitability of the Segway.

      That aside, I'm glad to see that he was critical in the way he was. Initial accounts put him as saying "cities will be built around this device." Don't know where they got that quote. It seems diametrically opposed to his criticisms.

      Anyone know where that "cities will be built" quote came from?
    • But man can he act like an arrogant prick!

      He's better than he used to be. 'Infinite Loop: How the World's Most Insanely Great Computer Company Went Insane' by Michael S. Malone has many of his famous diatribes against pretty much anyone he met.

      Great book BTW, it shows that Apple is a company that couldn't live with Steve Jobs, but certainly couldn't live without him.

      A fascinating person (I'm sure psychology students in the future will have him as a case example), without his drive, Woz would never h

    • by watchful.babbler ( 621535 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @05:27PM (#6216906) Homepage Journal
      Something to remember is that Jobs' loyalty in that meeting was to John Doerr, not to Dean Kamen and the Segway. When a friend and business associate comes over and says, "Hey, I'm thinking about sinking around $40 billion into an untested product from an eccentric genius, could you drop by and feel this thing out," playing go-along-to-get-along with the eccentric is precisely the wrong thing to do. If the players can't stand up to a couple of hours of intense questioning, maybe they're not the right people to handle a major product launch. (And, yes, maybe they weren't.)

      In any case, I think that Jobs' intense questioning proves that he really was engaged with the product; he treated it just as he would anything Apple designed, and insisted that it hold to the same rigorous standards. That his fears turned out to be well-founded suggests that, no matter how his worries were couched (he does seem to have a penchant for incontinence as metaphor, doesn't he?), his call for a solid business plan, a real launch strategy, and the tripartite mantra of "innovation, elegant and anthropomorphism" would have been well-heeded.

    • Supposedly Jobs parks his Jag diagonally across multiple spaces when he drives to Apple. (In some tellings of the story, he regularly blocks handicap spots.)

      As the story goes, one day he returns to his car to find a note on it: Park Different

      This story may not be true, but if it isn't, it SHOULD be.
  • this week i reach 1,000 miles on the segway ht. i really like mine.

    the segway ht fits my travel needs pretty well, i don't think it's for everyone-- but it's worked out okay for me. i run, walk, ride a bike, take cars but most of my travel is via a segway...i wrote it up, here's the travel log so far:
    http://www.bookofseg.com/100days/ [bookofseg.com]

    it didn't replace walking, i walk, cycle and jog. the segway replaced my car. i don't think it can do that for everyone, but it did for me.

    steve jobs said "i think [the design] sucks. its shape is not innovative, it's not elegant and it doesnâ(TM)t feel anthropomorphic". it's very functional and the desgin (in my opinion) is good for version 1 of a product, i'm looking forward to the new models which are smaller, lighter with greater range.

    cheers,
    pt
    • hmmmm, well, you know what they say. If you can reach just one person then it was worth it. Well, here is the one person in the world who is satisfied with the Segway. Kamen can die happy now
    • by mabu ( 178417 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:33PM (#6215495)
      This guy lives in Seattle. But in every picture on the web site he's poking around in nice, sunny, dry weather. Maybe Jobs left his reality distortion field in the meeting and this guy picked it up and flipped it to maximum stun?

    • by aliens ( 90441 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:37PM (#6215517) Homepage Journal
      Seriously, this guy pops up everytime there's a segway article.

      How much do they pay you? Please tell me they pay you.
  • ... So? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Dark Lord Seth ( 584963 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:03PM (#6215163) Journal

    They think something about an object, great for them. What's next? Uproar in the slashdot community because Steve Jobs farted? This is supposed to be a new site (or at least that's what I keep telling myself), not some sort of weird online tabloid for the geek culture.

  • by AtariAmarok ( 451306 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:04PM (#6215183)
    A close friend of Jobs overheard him say:

    "This is just like a Windows PC. It moves rather slowly, and at any moment you might get dumped off"
  • PITA investors (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Sanity ( 1431 ) *
    If I had a bunch of pain-in-the-ass investors who were likely to tear apart my presentation then I would try to keep them as-involved in the process as possible, rather than leaving so much to a single meeting where they can rip you to shreads.

    Having had a number of investor meetings in my time, the PITA investor is rarely achieves anything useful other than making you feel like shit, and giving themselves an ego boost.

    There is no excuse for bad manners in any setting, and in that context I would have p

    • Re:PITA investors (Score:5, Interesting)

      by BWJones ( 18351 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:25PM (#6215410) Homepage Journal
      If I had a bunch of pain-in-the-ass investors who were likely to tear apart my presentation then I would try to keep them as-involved in the process as possible, rather than leaving so much to a single meeting where they can rip you to shreads.

      In this situation, potential investors have every right to be critical of a product. After all, it's their money right? Additionally from an academic perspective, this sort of thing is kind of like a thesis defense where it is your committee's job to be critical, ask the hard questions and get you to think about your work and it's applicability. But again, a dissertation defense, like a product into to investors needs to have the presenter maintain control of the meeting.

      There is no excuse for bad manners in any setting,

      This is true, but I suspect that Jobs had spent more than a little time and effort analyzing this product. Given that he would be a potential investor, he should have some say in how the product is manufactured and distributed. Kamen might have done well to listen to him a little more carefully as the points he raised were valid, especially with people reverse engineering. After all, the rest of the computer industry has been copying Apple Computer for years right?

      Additionally, people like Jobs are efficient and can get things done with a modicum of effort through established workflows and relationships. So, when it is obvious that someone else (and a potential business partner no less) is screwing up, it is hard to be patient especially when you can see the shortcomings of the proposal.

    • I don't think that Jobs was that much of a PITA. He had some very blunt comments, but they had some thought behind them. He took the time to look at the thing, and made the comments he did because he cared enough about the product to invest both his time and money into it. Given that he was only able/willing to schedule about 2 hours for the meeting, waiting around for the end of a bunch of 10 minute presentations and then pussy-footing around his ideas would have just wasted time, and gotten less work d
  • Because it looks [tivocommunity.com] like they're liquidating [microsoft.com] their software company. Hehehehehe
  • by akahige ( 622549 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:06PM (#6215218)
    'It think it sucks!'

    I'm impressed. I didn't realize the thing was both sentient, and self-loathing.
  • by HowlinMad ( 220943 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:07PM (#6215231) Homepage Journal
    saying "Yeah it sucks man!!!"

    Maybe its not the greatest thing ever (I don't know, never seen one in person), but for a brand new product that is not a ripoff I think its doing pretty well. How great was MacOs 1.0 compared to OSX? Not very good at all, but its a starting point, the initial idea is out there, and basically it works. Now its time to expand and make it better.

    Everyone is always ranting on here about how nothing is innovative anymore, and that all of these laws stifle innovation, and when something that is actually innovative finally comes out, here come the naysayers. I guess I should expect this from /. Personnaly, I am excited, but as an AC will undoubtedly tell me soon, who cares what I think.
    • by binaryDigit ( 557647 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:33PM (#6215492)
      How great was MacOs 1.0 compared to OSX? Not very good at all, but its a starting point, the initial idea is out there, and basically it works. Now its time to expand and make it better.

      You're missing the context. System/Finder 1.0 was great for it's time. Sure, yank it out of context and compare to something now and it will suffer, but compare it back to other things that were available in 1984/5 and it was revolutionary. The question is can the Segway be thought of in the same context? People could immediately see the usefulness in the innovations of the first Mac, can the same be said for Segway?
  • by Dragonfly ( 5975 ) <jddaigleNO@SPAMmac.com> on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:10PM (#6215251) Homepage
    Not the idea itself.
  • The Roomba sucks, Steve--The Segway blows...
  • by starlabs ( 610056 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:14PM (#6215302)
    Mr. Jobs doesn't like it because it's not "iSegway". It needs to have nice shapely plastic bumpers that are see-through, so you can see the nice engine doing it's thing. And the gyros need to light up when they work. When the iSegway stops it also needs to play a very warm "DING" tune, something that's fuzzy and nice like "You've Got Mail", but maybe more like "You've just stopped".

    It's all about looks, people.
  • by altek ( 119814 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:15PM (#6215306) Homepage
    Never noticed this happening before.. There is a typo on the article synapsis on the front page, but not on the article page itself (ie if you click Read More).

    From the front page:
    Steve Jobs' gut reaction, quoted in the article: 'It think it sucks!'"

    From the article page:
    Steve Jobs' gut reaction, quoted in the article: 'I think it sucks!'"

    Is someone really manually retyping these twice? :-\

    I hope, if so, that Slashdot has at least employed a Cadre of Elite Geese to do this... Oh yea it says right here that they have.
  • Steve Jobs is right. It looks like a medical device more than a consumer product. Who wants to drive a Popemobile when they can drive a Ferrari?
  • by Lxy ( 80823 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:18PM (#6215330) Journal
    Jeff Bezos tries to patent a method of riding the segway where the rider does not fall off.
  • by ianjk ( 604032 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:18PM (#6215333)
    IT SUCKS. Someone needs to shoot the person who made those pieces of crap. First off, they don't have anything to make them visible in the evening hours (reflectors/lights). Combine that with being totally quiet and you have an accident waiting to happen. I almost got run over by one of them on the way to the bar the other day. I went to step out from the sidewalk on to the street and one comes zooming out in front of me. It's large footprint made every car that had to pass it move into the oncoming lane of traffic (totally in the oncoming lane if the segway had to pass a parked car). I understand that it has some cool technology, but they are an annoyance to the drivers and pedestrians that have to deal with them.
    • by thatguywhoiam ( 524290 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @04:02PM (#6215775)
      You've stated why it sucks to be around them - not on one. Still a valid comment of course. Although I couldn't help thinking, when you typed this:

      First off, they don't have anything to make them visible in the evening hours (reflectors/lights). Combine that with being totally quiet and you have an accident waiting to happen.

      So... like a pedestrian? No reflectors, relatively silent, etc. Sure people don't go zooming around at 15 KmH - usually - but that's more attributable to an Asshat Segway Driver, rather than inherent suckage, don't you think?

      As for the 'large footprint' its certainly no larger than a mountain bike (handlebars) so I conside that a nonstarter.

  • interesting points (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Alcimedes ( 398213 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:21PM (#6215355)
    when all is said and done, weren't the problems actually legitimate stumbling blocks for Ginger?

    people haven't bought them, they were overpriced, and they don't look that impressive.

    it's a $X,000 scooter, at least that's what it looks like.

    a Viper is just another really big engine, but put it in the right body....


  • Steve Jobs' gut reaction, quoted in the article: 'It think it sucks!'"


    Conclusive proof that sometimes even a blind squirrel gets a nut.

    Oh, another thing . . . Ginger, IT, Segway? Who named this thing, anyway? J.R.R. Tolkien? Is Ginger the Westron and Segway the Sindarin?

    -Peter
  • Jobs is (was) right. All the hype about the Segway, and then they didn't arrive.

    Same about the design. Now I know why Apple's computers are so good; Jobs knows what will sell, and doesn't market (Ok, forget the cube) what won't. Seems he's a smart business guy, whereas Dean is...an engineer.

    Makes sense why the Segway has, well, failed to put it bluntly.

    And for everyone thinking Jobs says the Segway sucks, you need to RTFA. He was talking about the design; he said the segway itself was "incredibly innovat

  • The general public could buy it just this spring. That's after two years of hype beyond hype.

    In all that time it appears the product hasn't changed at all. Didn't they learn anything from their private trials in that time? It would appear that all of the original criticisms leveled against it are still valid.

    Seems like another potentially brilliant idea torpedoed by corporate culture.
  • Was it redesigned? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SiliconEntity ( 448450 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:26PM (#6215423)
    Jobs said the design sucked. Who knows what it looked like back then? He's talking about the shape, the way it looks. I'd say the Segway looks pretty cool right now. Chances are that what Kamen put together out of cardboard boxes was a crude prototype. They probably did get a design firm involved to finalize the shape and appearance of the device. Jobs is right, a good industrial design firm can produce devices that look like works of art.
  • by ChangeOnInstall ( 589099 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:27PM (#6215446)
    Steve Jobs is referring to the appearance of the Segway. The article summary misquotes this quite deceptively.
  • by inkswamp ( 233692 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:30PM (#6215480)
    Yeah, Jobs maybe thought it sucked, but here's a snippet of the conversation they left out on accident.

    -----

    Jobs: Will it come with Firewire?

    Dean: Um... Firewire? Why would it--?

    Jobs: Will it come with Firewire? Will it?

    Dean: I don't understand what you're--

    Jobs: You really ought to license Firewire from us and slap a logo on this thing and that's all there is to it.

    Dean: But what on earth would people want--?

    Jobs: Why would they not want the the most reliable, insanely fast connectivity solution built in to this revolutionary device? How will they sync their Palms and iPods to this? Have you thought about that?

    Dean: That's ridiculous. I don't--

    Jobs: Okay. Nevermind. This sucks.

    ------

  • by thatguywhoiam ( 524290 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:33PM (#6215500)
    .. on reverse-engineering?

    Partly, explained Tim, because giving our code to someone else would be a great risk. Not a good reason, in Jobs's view, because the code could easily be reverse-engineered. No it couldn't, said Tim. Could, said Jobs.

    That was pretty funny to me. Is this a guy who's been bitten by the reverse-engineering phenomenon before, do you think?

    And people wonder why Apple gets testy about Aqua themes... I'd be testy to, if I was the victim of one of the biggest UI ripoffs in history. (I'm not sayin' he's right.. I'm just sayin'.)

  • Stevie in action... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by manonthemoon ( 537690 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:34PM (#6215503) Homepage
    Its interesting to get unfiltered Steveness like this. For those decrying his rudeness... where have you been? He has been like this from the beginning.

    The important thing is he was giving them the unvarnished truth. His insightfulness was genuine- he saw directly to the heart of the issues.

    The insiders were obviously much too close to things, too sure of themselves. They had insulated themselves for too long- they would have benefitted much more if they had brought outsiders like Jobs and Bezos' much earlier in the process.

    His rejection of the pleasantries and Powerpoint crap was the essential "Don't waste my time" of someone who actually values their time. He has two companies to run- he doesn't need to waste time watching somneone click through a stupid time-wasting presentation.

    I am not like him at all- much too polite in real life. But he sure as hell makes sure things happen and he makes real products that people will pay premium dollars for. They should have paid even closer attention to what he said than they did.
  • by goldspider ( 445116 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:36PM (#6215511) Homepage
    Until I read Jobs' comments, I never would have placed shitting one's pants into my concept of a positive and desirable reaction.

    Thanks Steve! Now I have a whole new goal for when I present my next project pitch to the captains and commanders I work with!

  • by yjo ( 672739 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:36PM (#6215512)
    http://www.woz.org/seg/ - Steve Wozniak, the *brains* behind Apple, seems a lot more Segway enamoured.
  • by nsda's_deviant ( 602648 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:37PM (#6215519)
    i'm surprised by jobs' comments but i shouldn't be. his hardlined stance and staunch trenching of ideas is exactlly why he was fired in the 80s but his reaction toward the segway screams what he's doing at apple. after reading the article, doesn't it suggest that he is more of a force at Apple in pushing the UI, business strategy, product/manufacturing strategy than anyone else? Its clear that Jobs respects designers ("They'll give you stuff that will make you shit in your pants...") and it seems like Jobs hands ideas off to designers to give him something he doesn't know he wants (iMac, iPod UI, translucent plastics).

    considering everything that went wrong with the Segway launch (how many people have ACTUALLY seen a ginger in person?) its possible to say that Jobs was partially right. the article talks about the ginger but it screams the way Jobs thinks and approaches a problem. the launch of ginger is interesting but give me a book about Jobs rants from the past 8 years and I'll shell out for that. Not to mention the Pixar vs Disney negotiations... (Disney is going to get ownned)

    just ranting...
    doesn't it make you wonder about WWDC being Apple's internal code for 'We Will Delight Crowds'?
  • by falsification ( 644190 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @03:57PM (#6215716) Journal
    I am having terrible cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, Segway is Officially Liked, but Steve Jobs is also Officially Liked.

    My mind is revolting against itself! Who or what am I supposed to like?

    P.S. Please, someone, tell me what I can do on a Segway that I cannot do on a bicycle [scottseely.com].

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @04:07PM (#6215831)
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  • by SonOfFlubber ( 14544 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @04:33PM (#6216103)
    The following was related to me by my co-worker Eric, who was the first American employed at Apple Japan:

    Shortly after Eric arrived in Japan in the early 80's, he accompanied Steve Jobs on a visit to Canon. Cannon recently introduced a desktop copier which intrigued Steve Jobs. At the meeting Steve Jobs challenged the Canon execs and engineers to design a smaller laser printer the same way they were able to shrink the size of a copier.

    In those days a laser printer was about the size of a washing machine or a large business copy machine. The only laser printers available were floor models only; nothing you could put on a desktop.

    One year later Steve Jobs was invited back to Canon in Japan to see the results of his challenge. Eric went with Steve, a female translator who worked for Apple Japan, and a Japanese manager working for Apple. Steve Jobs and Eric were the only Americans there at the meeting, and only the Apple employees spoke English; none of the Canon people did. All communication from Steve Jobs to the Canon people were done via the translator.

    When they got to Canon, a roomful of proud, beaming Canon engineers and managers presented Steve Jobs with their 'minaturized' laser printer - no longer the size of an American washing machine, just perhaps the size of a Japanese washing machine. Just the same it was not the desktop model that Steve Jobs envisioned.

    When the interpreter relayed the question from the Canon folks asking what he thought of the their new laser printer, she really squirmed when Jobs said "Tell them it is a piece of shit!"
  • Out of context (Score:4, Informative)

    by hephaist0s ( 627532 ) on Monday June 16, 2003 @05:24PM (#6216858)
    Actually, Jobs LOVED it and begged to be involved in the project. The "it sucks" quote came after he had been familiar with the device for months, and was referring specifically to the aesthetic design of the latest version that the team was working on, not the Segway in general.

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