Pioneer To Release TiVo/DVD Burner Combo 252
TK-421 writes "According to an official Pioneer press release, 'Pioneer is revolutionizing home video recording with the introduction of the world's first DVD recorders featuring the TiVo service. These new recorders offer consumers the control provided by the easy-to-use TiVo service integrated with advanced DVD recording for the option of short-term storage on a hard drive or long-term archival of broadcast programming on DVD-R/RW discs.'" The options include both 80 and 120GB models, starting at a not-inexpensive $1199, and there's more information via a CNET News article.
Here is some other model like this one... (Score:4, Informative)
The second is less known and the site is not in english but it works really well. Dreambox [dreambox.li] and run under Linux !
Re:Macrovision? (Score:5, Informative)
But CDs and DVDs do degrade over time. Not in video quality, since that's all digital, but the storage medium itself has been known to rot (mostly CDs and laser discs, since DVDs really haven't been around long enough to see any noticeable deterioration). Sure, they last much longer than tape, and don't degrade with repeated viewings, but to say that they won't degrade at all is naive.
Are there any good long-term storage solutions? I'm talking on the order of decades, not years. Paper's done a pretty good job so far, but even that degrades, and it's a little hard to store digital information in an easily retrievable format on paper.
Re:And, before the "I can make a tivo" people post (Score:1, Informative)
Bonjour!
Re:And, before the "I can make a tivo" people post (Score:3, Informative)
And since Thomson stopped making them a while back, there's no TiVos available in the UK, either (unless you want to trawl eBay and pay over the odds).
Re:Have we really come that far? (Score:4, Informative)
I tell it what shows I like and then I watch it whenever I like. I have no idea what days most shows are even on any more. I just sit down and see that there's a new Futurama or Scrubs or whatever. I don't have to program it with times/dates and I don't have to worry (mostly) about shows moving timeslots every week - the built in episode guide worries about all of that for me.
Re:Macrovision? (Score:4, Informative)
I doubt they do anything about Macrovision at all. Macrovision is applied to 'copy-protect' pre-recorded material which I suspect Tivo/panasonic have no interest in disabling with this feature. So, you will be fine with things you have recorded on tape yourself, but Macrovision will probably kick in with pre-recorded material. If you find it annoying, you should have thought about that when you handed over your cash for the copy protected tape in the first place!
Radio limitations (Score:2, Informative)
In australia I'm pretty sure it limits the number of songs from one artist (or is it album), you can play in a row. To stop people taping a whole album from radio etc.
Re:Somebody actually wants my money. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:TiVo in the UK - homebrew PVR instead? (Score:3, Informative)
1) still has more room then a single tape in a VCR, and you can record and play at the same time.
2) more record time slots, the best VCR I ever say could record 8 different times. Tivo is near unlimited.
Granted I would not pay to activate the service, just would enough to set the time ever so often.
Re:Everything comes up short... (Score:5, Informative)
After that, burn to DVD to your heart's content. Oh, and MythMkMovie is getting ready for the 1.0 release finally (within the next two weeks it looks like).
Re:And, before the "I can make a tivo" people post (Score:3, Informative)
Bell Expressvu (Satellite company), offers a receiver with an integrated PVR which works very well (it'll even allow you to tape PPV stuff), 30 hour HDD, 1 hour buffer....I've been happy with it, although I think Tivo's have more bells and whistles.
Re:And, before the "I can make a tivo" people post (Score:2, Informative)
I think the only truly unique capability in a Tivo is the ability to record a DirecTV signal without reencoding. But that only applies to the DirecTivo models, which can't record anything BUT DirecTV.
Re:Somebody actually wants my money. (Score:5, Informative)
30 second forward now enabled.
Today's word is "litotes" (Score:5, Informative)
It's not uncommon.
Re:And, before the "I can make a tivo" people post (Score:1, Informative)
Replay TV with a PC (Score:2, Informative)
-Jase
Re:MPAA? I'll Bite ;) (Score:5, Informative)
The recording of broadcast material (read news/live/tv/movies) by the home/consumer market is explicitly permitted* by the Sony v. Universal ruling [464 US 417 (1984)]. Therefore the MPAA doesn't have a foot to stand on if they attack PVR's which carry features qualitatively equivalent to that available on the VHS platform.
The issue with PVR's which go a step further to redistribute content to other users on the network is that in redistributing the content in a non-physical form to persons with whom you have loose if any affiliations opens up the end user for copyright infringement proceedings. Burning a DVD and redistributing the content doesn't carry the same issues or implecations as such use is effectively legalized by the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 and Sony v. Universal as this is seen as private non-commercial redistribution (such as sharing an Audio Tape or CD among friends).
Again, regarding adding features such as commercial skipping and burning commercial skipped shows to dvd (as the parent post requested), I highly doubt the addition of these features due to the chance, and high incentive, of advertisers then challenging whether or not the device is covered by Sony v. Universal or the AHRA of 1992. No longer is the device merely time-shifting or media-shifting the content, it is altering the content which is not explicitly covered (As far as I know).
* Note: Ok technically an action is not permitted or legalized by a court ruling, but such wording prevented me from saying: as is established as precedent by the case
Re:Somebody actually wants my money. (Score:3, Informative)
You do it once, and forget about it until after a power outage.
Toshiba has a better deal: only $599 (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Full Tivo or the newly announced Tivo Lite? (Score:3, Informative)
Both the DVR-57H and the DVR-810H offer consumers the TiVo Basic(TM) service with no monthly fee upfront. Consumers will get DVR functionality such as; pausing live TV, recording from the program guide, manual repeat recording by time and date and three days of program guide data. Consumers can upgrade their TiVo service at any time, to include features such as a fourteen-day program guide, Season Pass(TM), WishList(TM) and Search by Title.
Re:TiVo for Radio Stations? (Score:1, Informative)
Recording sound from your line in is left as an exercise for the reader.
Re:Toshiba has a better deal: only $599 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Everything comes up short... (Score:2, Informative)