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Renegade Reverse Engineering - John Woo Style 397

MankyD writes "Just saw the trailer to a new John Woo film over at apple.com called PayCheck. Written by Phillip K Dick of Blade Runner and Minority Report, its a story about a top notch reverse engineer (Ben Affleck) who, after a quick memory wipe, finds trying to piece together the mystery of his past. It's also got Uma Thurman as the female lead. Unfortunately the website isn't up and running yet, and the premise of the movie seems a little far fetched, but this still ought to be a fun one."
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Renegade Reverse Engineering - John Woo Style

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  • by mjmalone ( 677326 ) * on Thursday August 14, 2003 @12:48AM (#6692518) Homepage
    If you like far fetched hollywood plots that have no basis in reality. Wait, this is slashdot, of course you do! Hollywood always has to sensationalize and dramatize everything to a point where it doesn't impart any knowledge or insight to the viewer.

    Of course, there is the arguement that films such as this one offer an escape from reality so that the viewer can relax and forget all the day to day shit that they have to deal with. But I lost all faith in hollywood when I saw keanu reaves restart some chick's heart in the matrix reloaded, I couldn't help from bursting out in laughter in the middle of the theater.
  • by tealover ( 187148 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @01:01AM (#6692584)
    But I lost all faith in hollywood...

    What the fuck ?!? You had faith in Hollywood to do what... portray reality ?

    Dude, they're fucking movies. There are all types of movies. You want reality based movies and you go see The Matrix ?

    You don't even know what the hell you're complaining about. Just another typical, whining loser with no purpose.

  • by imac.usr ( 58845 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @01:14AM (#6692659) Homepage
    Given the size and interests of /.'s readership, I understand why studios and production companies want to start phoney "grassroots" buzz about their films here, but do the editors really have to accept the story submissions?

    Although I agree that this is sort of tenuous as far as /. news goes, my guess is that if the story really was submitted by an undercover marketer, they would have at least waited for the website to be online. At least, I'd wait until then.

  • by critter_hunter ( 568942 ) <critter_hunter@hotm a i l .com> on Thursday August 14, 2003 @01:25AM (#6692702)

    Uh, the Big Hit isn't a Woo movie. He's one of the 10 or so producers, not exactly what I'd call involved in the (pseudo) artistic process.

    John Woo didn't do anything good since he made it to Hollywood. I thought Broken Arrow was nice when I was 12, Face|Off had some cool gunfights, and MI2 had a few nice action scene, but overall they were all terrible.

    Not that anything John Woo made back in HK was all that great, but it was still much better than the tripe he's spweing these days. Actually, I can't think of a single Chinese actor who has been doing better in the US than in HK. Although, if Jet Li stopped making movies with lame rappers he'd be faring quite good - The One was great fun

    Anyway, all this to say that John Woo's name isn't as much a turn-off as much as, say, Michael Bay. Ben Affleck, however, is even worse than Keanu Reeves. How can a guy who has been in *Daredevil*, *Reindeer Games* and *Gigli* be allowed to keep making movies. He's like a failure magnet.

    Here's how to recognize a good Affleck movie: Matt Damon's in it. From there it's only a small step to give all the credit to Mr Damon.

  • by Filibustero ( 695542 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @01:33AM (#6692740)
    $10 says the footage of him actually reverse engineering anything is less than 5 minutes.

    Then again, who would want to sit there for two hours watching someone reverse engineer things...

    Seeing the trailer though, it looks like a stock action escape movie, with reverse engineering as the flavor-of-the-month.

    Between that and The-Rocky-of-InsertThemeHere, Hollywood never seems to run out of recycling ideas.

    What are some of the best sci-fi flicks you've seen?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 14, 2003 @01:35AM (#6692748)
    Regardless of how long he's doing anything technical, it'll stll be a riddled with eggregious errors.

    Puking is in order.
  • by Minna Kirai ( 624281 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @02:00AM (#6692834)
    But I lost all faith in hollywood when I saw keanu reaves restart some chick's heart in the matrix reloaded,

    How did you feel in "The Matrix" when the chick restarted his heart?
  • by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @02:38AM (#6692939) Homepage Journal
    You do need to distinguish between the author of the book the movie was based on, and the people who made the movie itself. Not doing so is lazy and sloppy. And in the case of Blade Runner it's just plain stupid -- nobody who's seen it and also read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? see much of a resemblance between the two. They both had artificial people in them, that's about it.

    I carefully avoid seeing any Steven Spielberg movies, but I'm not persuaded that Ridley Scott is anything brilliant either. Most of the good dialog in Blade Runner was improvised by the actors, who found Scott's klunky script unperformable.

    God, where is Billy Wilder, now that we really need him?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 14, 2003 @03:12AM (#6693018)
    I lost all faith in hollywood when I saw keanu reaves restart some chick's heart in the matrix reloaded, I couldn't help from bursting out in laughter in the middle of the theater.

    ??? You are one dumb mother*

    Let's see, what's more believable,
    artificial intelligence,
    super fun fun virtual world called the matrix,
    doing anything in super fun fun virtual world?

    Hmm, oh no, kianu made everybody fart, runaway
  • by ralphus ( 577885 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @03:18AM (#6693049)
    Read his last three books, VALIS, Divine Invasion and the Transmigration of Timothy Acher. These were in no way pulp fantasy, they were incredibly deep and meaningful and beautiful and ugly all in one. They were truth.

    I'd love to see someone turn the VALIS trilogy into a movie and actually make it work and stay true to the book. The only names I can think of are combinations of people such as the Warchoski bros crossed with David Lynch.

  • by nanojath ( 265940 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @09:59AM (#6694599) Homepage Journal
    Really, Blade Runner pulls a fair number of components from the story and world of Do Androids..., but as another has said, Ridley Scotts main accomplishment is his creation of an environment suffused with futuristic ambiance.


    Predictably, what is most absent from both Dick adaptations is the more philosophical edge. In Minority Report in particular the whole issue of the implications of alternate possible futures devolves to a mere plot device.


    And sigh, yes, where IS a director consistently interested in the speculative genre? Spielberg seems to have some designs on that mantle, which is a shame since he's such a ham-handed, cliche driven director. Where's our sci-fi Alfred Hitchcock?

  • "Since"? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Grendel Drago ( 41496 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @10:13AM (#6694717) Homepage
    Whaddaya mean, since? Hell, Dogma would have been watchable if Smith hadn't gotten incredibly full of himself and decided to leap up and down, screaming "message!" every six and a half minutes. Note to all filmmakers: entertain first and foremost, scratch your pubic "message!" itch later.

    --grendel drago
  • by HBergeron ( 71031 ) on Thursday August 14, 2003 @10:34AM (#6694920)
    Funny, but also so very true. While after 20 years Blade Runner is still the ultimate cyberpunk film (not that someone couldn't make a better one, they just don't seem to be trying.) Minority Report - whose riffs on justice and government power were desperately needed at the exact moment the movie was released, was exactly that steaming pile of crap. By failing to address those themes in the way that Dick had at such a crucial moment in time, Spielberg committed more then the artistic sin of being a hack, (and a hack who manipulates the same three themes of children, family, and fear of the unknown over and over and over again without ever saying anything original or anything old in a new way), he also failed utterly in the responsibility of the artist to provide a mirror for society and prompt discussion and/or change.

    Between Dick and Vonnegut we've got 20 or so themes that could be turned into spectacular films, and money making ones at that. Hell, even Total Recall (Dick short story) in its' better moments touched on some themes that raised it above the levels of crap scifi like "The Sixth Day".

    What's really sad is that even Gibson's Johnny M. could have made an incredible movie if they had just played it straight. A friend (actually makes a living as a writer) once mapped out the short story in script form and showed that you could have filmed it without alteration and come up with an under two hour Hollywood film. You had novel chases, character development, the introduction of a world and characters that would support many sequels, some great fight scenes, and an ultra-stylish cyberpunk environment, and those fuckers still screwed it up.

    Bah, why do I care.

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