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MPAA Ruins Own Films As Anti-Piracy Measure 732

WCityMike writes "Steve Kraus, a Chicago film projectionist, noted in this week's Movie Answer Man column that movie studios are quite purposefully putting 'large reddish brown spots that flash in the middle of the picture, usually placed in a light area' in order to ruin computer-compressed pirated copies of films. Among recent films that feature these spots are 'Ali,' 'Behind Enemy Lines,' '28 Days Later,' 'Freddy vs. Jason' and 'Underworld.' (I guess they had to destroy the movies in order to save them ... )"
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MPAA Ruins Own Films As Anti-Piracy Measure

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:36PM (#7144566)
    Did not notice anything wrong with it at all. My guess is that the compression actully filtered the spot rather than enhanced it.
  • by preric ( 689159 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:37PM (#7144570)
    Let's pretend I sneak a video camera (yes, I know it's more technical, trying to make a point) in my local theater and record the film, then run home, encode it and upload it to the world.

    The movie company then downloads the film, see's the spots and tracks it to my theater. Now what? Are they going to shake down the theater owners, untill they install security and metal detectors?

    How does this really prevent anything, aside from viewers like me having just ANOTHER excuse to wait until the DVD comes ou and rent that, rather then deal with tampered film (among the other lame problems of theater viewing, like ticket prices, travel, lines, food, seating, etc)?

  • Re:bleh (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Dashing Leech ( 688077 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:37PM (#7144572)
    Maybe not, but I've been annoyed for years by the big spots they use for scene changes. About 10 seconds before a scene change there is always a huge dot in the upper right corner, then again about 1 second before the change. I never used to notice them until I read about them, now I see them all the time in the theatre and I hate it. Ignorance can be bliss, I guess.

    P.S. Yes, I know I may have just ruined it for a bunch of you too, but why should I be the only one to suffer. (=

  • by grondak ( 80002 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:37PM (#7144575) Homepage
    I saw the dots on Underworld--don't judge me by my taste in movies, please! I thought the dots might be some form of coded serial number to track the relationship between theaters and films. If someone were stupid enough to send out the film over the Internet with the dots on it, the MPAA movie police might have a better chance to catch the person-- especially if the film gets out before any embargo dates.

    Quick, patent this!
  • by goofy183 ( 451746 ) * on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:39PM (#7144593)
    Um ... so I think I'm missing somthing. Whats stopping someone from using a diagnostic tool (since DivX is multipass now) from finding points where the compression goes to crap and just cutting out the bad frame? Yeah it's a LITTLE more work but as most compressing jobs take on the order of several hours I don't see why the pirating groups wouldn't do it to save the output quality.
  • I don't care (Score:5, Interesting)

    by EvilStein ( 414640 ) <.ten.pbp. .ta. .maps.> on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:44PM (#7144651)
    If I ever download a movie, it's so I can watch some of it and decide if it's worth shelling out the $30 to go see. It's about $30 because:$9 for me, $9 for my g/f, and the rest for popcorn/etc.
    Can't bring in outside food or drink anymore. Can't even bring in a backpack, either - post 9/11 fears and "anti-piracy measures" gone too far.

    I don't care if the movie looks like crap on my computer. I'm not interested in keeping most movies anyway. If I like it, I'll go see it in the theatre or wait for the DVD.

    This really isn't a bad thing. Heck, since the MPAA is purposely altering movies, maybe they should go ahead and let us download stuff and leave p2p alone. If the stuff on p2p is of such low-quality, what is the big problem?

    Oh, the problem is that we'll watch it and realize that the movie sucks and we won't shell out $$ to go see it.
    I wish I could have my money back from John Carpenter's "Vampires" - aside from 1 hot nude chick, that movie was a total waste of time and money.
  • Re:Didn't see it (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:44PM (#7144657)
    I'm wondering if it's just a single frame (BTW that makes it illegal in the US)


    Care to cite us to a particular law that "makes it illegal in the US," Clarence Darrow, Jr.? "I'm pretty sure it qualifies as subliminal advertising" doesn't cut it in the specificity department, as "pretty sure" isn't really verifiable, and it's hard to see how a simple red dot constitutes "advertising". And in any event, there are no federal or state laws governing subliminal advertising, since the whole idea is a pile of monkey stool.

    Please keep your uninformed legal opinions to your own hygenically-challeneged self.

  • by Snowdrake ( 139057 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:44PM (#7144659)
    One of the things I noticed in the article is that the spots actually vary on a print-by-print basis. So maybe they just release "spotted" prints to houses where they suspect piracy problems.
  • by pVoid ( 607584 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:45PM (#7144669)
    Yeah, they even put the crap codes on all the bad films...

    Are they aware that I would never consider spending a dime on Freddy Vs. Jason and that the only way I would watch that movie is if I download it?

    I mean, a good movie comes out, I go see it in the theatre just for the experience. A shit movie comes out, I don't go see it. It's not called piracy, it's called shit.

  • Interesting (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TygerFish ( 176957 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:46PM (#7144681)
    Interesting, so they are so desparate to do things against piracy that they are willing to lower the quality of their films, not to stop it, mind you, but just to make an act of piracy to some measure less attractive?

    This amazes me considering that DVD movie technology, and by extension, digital movie files, naturally involve a measureable loss of detail and quality over, say, watching it in a theater.

    It almost sounds like a desparate measure; as if someone out there threw the idea out without taking into consideration how little quality matters when it comes to satisfying the average DVD consumer.

  • Re:bleh (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HotNeedleOfInquiry ( 598897 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @12:50PM (#7144734)
    They are for reel changes, not scene changes. I worked as a projectionst in the 60's. In those days, a movie consisted of 6 - 10 reels of film, each reel being 15-20 minutes long. You had 2 projectors, one running the current reel, the other threaded up and ready to run the next. A bell would ring on the first projector when you got down to 1-2 minutes of time left. Then you'd go over and light the carbon arc on the second projector and start looking for the cue mark.

    At the first cue mark, 8 seconds from the end of the reel, you'd roll the second projector and uncap the arc lamp. At the second cue mark, you'd close a shutter on the first projector, open the shutter on the second, and throw the sound feed over the the second.

    After you changed over to the other projector, you had to shut off the carbon arc, unload and rewind the film on the first projector, thread it up with the next real, check the carbon arcs, and go back to sleep for 10 minutes.

    And yeah, I still always see the cue marks.

  • Re:brown spots? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by waitigetit ( 691345 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:00PM (#7144835)
    Actually I suspect they do (something like) this:

    I watched a divx rip of a dvd screener of Bruce Almighty, and where he looks at his beeper, it shows something like 555-1234, but when he reads it out load, he mentions a completely different number. Now, I find it hard to believe this is an error (it's not even a 555-number, and a quick look on imdb.com reveals it's not been noted as a goof, so it's probably only in the screener. Now, if every copy of the screener has a different number in the audio track, it would be easy to spot who leaked it.
  • Re:The real solution (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jandrese ( 485 ) * <kensama@vt.edu> on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:01PM (#7144850) Homepage Journal
    No, instead you hear the complaints from the people who tried to plug their DVD player into their TV/VCR combo and found that it didn't work because of Macrovision. That one got my girlfriend, she ended up having to bum a 9" TV from her Mom and hook up an RF converter to use her DVD player. She was _not_ happy with Macrovision. As far as I can tell, the tape pirates don't seem to be slowed down much by Macrovision either.
  • Re:bleh (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DjMd ( 541962 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:02PM (#7144854) Journal
    Maybe you should see one of these films. I just saw Underworld and was very annoyed by the dots I kept seeing. (Small dots in paterns of 4-6 usually)... And the usually occur right in the center of the screen...


    VERY ANNOYING!
  • RTFA (Score:4, Interesting)

    by siskbc ( 598067 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:10PM (#7144936) Homepage
    These cap codes have been in film forever - but only recently have they been enlarged enough so that they show up in low resolution computer encoded video.

    As pointed out beautifully in the article you should have read. Now ask yourself - why would they NEED to enlarge them, if not to screw with compression, in the same way the RIAA has done with sound recordings? RIAA put spikes in that don't play badly, but that really screw with attempts to rip to mp3, resulting in pops and cracks. The MPAA is just combining two technologies here.

  • Re:solution? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CaseyB ( 1105 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:10PM (#7144939)
    they should blast the audience with emp energy. take out cell phones and cameras alike

    Yes!

    Then I'll corner the film piracy market with my portable 8mm film camera, which will still make a perfect, er, near perfect copy of the film after an EMP burst.

  • 555 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 1u3hr ( 530656 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:28PM (#7145115)
    Actually, there are real 555 numbers, though they aren't issued to normal subscribers. See NANPA: Number Resource Information: 555 Line Numbers [nanpa.com] which lists them. (And for a list of movie 555s, see the 555-list [earthlink.net].)

    I researched this a year ago when working out a fake number to use in a book, and finally have the opportunity to share this worthless information...

  • Re:Add value... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by vaderhelmet ( 591186 ) <darthvaderhelmet@NOsPaM.gmail.com> on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:30PM (#7145136)
    I would have to agree here. Most of today's movies are sequels (T3, 2fast2furious, etc) or rehashes of OLD movies with a modern twist. Millions of dollars in budgets for crappy films is a waste and cost the end user (movie-goer). I personally have no desire to pay upwards of $7.50 per person, once, to see a movie today, that will suck on DVD or VHS for $2 that I can watch in the privacy of my own home, without overpriced snacks, etc. Some of the same principles behind music pirating apply here. We want quality if we're expected to pay large prices with limited use, or we'll take crap for free and do with it as we please to enhance our experiance with the product.
  • Re:Didn't see it (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MindStalker ( 22827 ) <mindstalker@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:30PM (#7145142) Journal
    For those too lazy to read, the snopes article states that in truth subliminal advertising has adsolutly no effect on people. But congress did try twice unsucessfully to pass a law against it. And the FCC does have a rule against it (you will immediently lose your license). But I gather movie theaters are not covered under the FCC.
  • Schism (Score:3, Interesting)

    by H3lldr0p ( 40304 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:34PM (#7145170) Homepage
    I agree. However, in taking this route do you not risk ruining the at-home market? In marketing the movies in such a way as to convince people that the only "way" to see the film is in the theater you run the risk of turning people off of getting the same movie for themselves. "It won't be as good in the living room." or "My television just doesn't do justice the way a 50-foot screen can" are things one would have to use in such marketing campaigns. In such a situation how do you keep people buying the DVD? I don't think you can, hence the schism and hypocrisy in such actions which the artical goes on about.

    They want us to watch these films.

    They want us to hear the music.

    But at the same time these entities want your money many times over and in as many ways as possible that they'll take such irrational actions such as suing the very people who are buying their products or changing formats the physical formats of the products every decade or so just to "keep up with technology".

  • Re:The real solution (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nmos ( 25822 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:39PM (#7145222)
    I can see macrovision a little bit -- enough that the pulsating brightness bugs me

    Traditional macrovision only affects the brightness in areas of the screen that you can't see (either above or below, I forget which). The idea is that this fools the AGC (automatic gain control) on many VCRs into adjusting the brightness of the entire picture to compensate. Unless your TV also has an AGC it really shouldn't be noticeable. I'm pretty sure that there have been additions/changes to macrovision over the years though so maybe there are some additional tricks they use these days (chances are google knows). I'd be curious if using a different set of outputs from your DVD player makes a difference.
  • by Fallen Kell ( 165468 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:40PM (#7145232)
    I agree. There are about 3-4 songs that are worth listening to on that CD, and I also agree that the radio is playing the wrong ones. They just want to shovel the crap down our throats...err... ears, mainly because they don't want to play good music for the fear of people recognising that 90% of the stuff being released now is just plain utter crap. If they played good music, no one would buy the crap anymore, and thus, RIAA would make less money. That, or they don't want the decent songs played because people would tape/record them and thus no longer need to buy the CD....

    I purchased it myself. Mostly because I still think they have better potential for great music and I want them to make another CD. It would be nice for them to drop the whole grung bass/guitar crap and get back to metal with awe inspiring guitar riffs.
  • by Stephen Maturin ( 530754 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @01:45PM (#7145271)
    There have been several times when I have walked out of a theatre thinking "There goes two hours of my life I won't ever get back." I wonder if enough people start sending bills to the movie studios for the time lost sitting through their crappy movies (AND the commercials in the trailers) that they might get the hint?
  • Who is fooled? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by fetus ( 322414 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @02:06PM (#7145477)
    And have you seen their ridiculous TV commercials? Trying to personalize piracy. Showing the 'guy-next-door' Key Grip or lighting guy - "Actors aren't the only ones affected by piracy." i.e. they want you kill the 'the actors already rich anyway' attitude because it supposedly affects the little people involved in movie production as well. Yet they have no guilt paying Ben Afshit and Gaylo $40 billion a movie while paying the 'little people' with peanuts. I'm supposed to feel bad? How about a little more even compensation, then maybe they'll have a point.
  • by obfuscated ( 258084 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @03:13PM (#7146120) Homepage
    For those of you who actually know more about the topic, I apologize. For those of you who only read the poorly written /. summary of an article, you should do your homework before posting comments.

    The MPAA has been putting dots in films (reels) for years now. They serialize where the film came from if it ever shows up somewhere it shouldn't (eg. auction house, different theater, or yes, your home living room).

    Disney was one of the initial big backers of this technology. They are particularly careful about who gets their reels of film once the movie runs. The usual answer: "No one."

    Production/Distrobution companies own the reels and movie houses (AMC, Cinemarc, etc) only get the rights to show the reels. Typically they don't own them outright and at the end of their lifespan they have to be sent back to be vaulted up or destroyed.

    Anyway, these codes are a newer technology based off of 'cap codes.' The dots are usually put in one or two frames near the middle of the print in a 3x3 grid with only some of the dots showing. (Eg. five dots in a 'T' formation).

    The move was because with most current compression technologies will make the whole screen get brighter unless those frames are removed before encoding.

    The better pirating groups will usually seem them edit them out by either just dumping the frames and copying the ones before it and after it. (at 28/32 FPS, you won't see the effects) or they take a morph of the two and make an 'averaged' frame.

    These are much more obtrusive than the original 'cap codes' but they hardly ruin a movie any more than the 'cigarette burns' that show up which are just as noticable.

    Newer technologies which have not been implemented involve a form of visual stegonography where they can slightly alter the frame in certain places to do the same thing without the large brown dots. Infact they can do it throughout the entire film which would make it hard to just toss a few frames.
  • by Admiral1973 ( 623214 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @03:44PM (#7146451) Homepage
    I bought St. Anger just for the free music. I listened to the album once and wasn't too impressed, but the free music on the web site wasn't bad. It's three full concerts from 1994-1998, with the audio taken right from a mixing board. So you don't get the crowd noise (and you really miss it in songs like "Master of Puppets") but the sound quality isn't too bad. And since I paid $13 for the album and got three concerts of good songs thrown in, I think I spent my money well.
  • by akahige ( 622549 ) on Monday October 06, 2003 @05:04PM (#7147333)
    The thing is, that studios will "get away" with this sort of behavior because audiences have largely been conditioned to accept whatever winds up on the screen in front of them. Unless a print is brand-spankin'-new, we're usually subjected to jaggy transitions between reels (because the films are spliced together then cut apart, therefore getting progressively shorter), dirt on the negative (or the projector lens), blown speakers in the theatre, to say nothing of the fat git with BO stuffing junk food in his face that somehow always manages to sit in front of you. And then there are the seats.

    What they don't seem to realize is that as technology progresses -- and gets cheaper -- going OUT to the movies is an experience than more and more people can surpass in the comfort of their own living rooms. All they have to do is wait. And with the general quality of what's coming out, why not wait?

    Lest anyone think this post completely off topic, my original point had to do with the quality of the print as it relates to the filmgoing experience. I was once at a screening of Lawrence of Arabia at the Director's Guild. It being Lawrence, there were the usual number of power players in attendance. The print was unbelievably gorgeous -- crisp, clear, and clean -- like it had been struck the day before. Better even than the DVD (which isn't color timed properly.) In only one place was there a slightly jumpy transition between reels -- and by slight, I mean virtually unnoticeable, not some huge explosion on the soundtrack where the audio didn't mesh together. After the show, as everyone was leaving, I happened to pass by this small cluster of people who were in the process of just tearing this poor guy a new one. Turns out he was the projectionist, and the Powers that Be were livid that this one tiny mistake "ruined" their presentation.

    While it was completely unprofessional to have upbraided this guy in public, they're obviously a lot more sensitive to these sorts of things than most moviegoers. The DGA would have never let a print with this sort of marking through their front doors. Try getting your money back from a theatre on something like that...
  • by captaineo ( 87164 ) * on Monday October 06, 2003 @06:46PM (#7148317)
    I wonder if they might put a different watermark on each print, so they can track which ones get pirated...

    Maybe they'll fine a cinema if a pirated version of their print surfaces. That would give an incentive to control access to the prints and stop people from bringing cameras into the theater.

    Another technique might be to briefly mask different parts of the frame, or vary the frame rate slightly, to confound video cameras (like a CRT monitor refresh - you can adjust a video camera for a particular constant rate, but it would be hard if the rate varied a lot).

    And I agree that any measure that perceptibly alters the experience for normal audiences is reprehensible.
  • full of it (Score:2, Interesting)

    by eyrich ( 33605 ) on Tuesday October 07, 2003 @12:03AM (#7150391)
    The dots are not to ruin compression, they are a pattern of dots about every 100 frames that given enough frames you can actually identify a certain print so that you know what theater allowed a pirate to copy the movie.

    This info came from a Kodak rep on the Film Tech website about a year ago.

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