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Comparing Online Music Offerings 603

hype7 writes "The Wall Street Journal has just posted a comparison of the three main legal music download services: Apple's iTunes Music Store, MusicMatch and Napster v2. The review covers the pros and cons of each of the services, and concludes with: "I'm sure all three services will evolve and get better, and others will enter the fray. But, for now, iTunes is the best choice on Windows.""
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Comparing Online Music Offerings

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  • What about. (Score:0, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:22PM (#7291542)
    Where's buy.music? I know everyone says it sucks but it should certainly count as a major player in the online music biz.
  • Um... Ogg Vorbis? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Prince_Ali ( 614163 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:24PM (#7291561) Journal
    If you rip with AAC in iTunes it attaches no DRM to it at all. Also AAC > OGG.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:26PM (#7291586)
    Allofmp3.com [allofmp3.com] beats all those mentioned so far hands down. You get to choose your format (mp3, Ogg, aac, wma) and bitrates (from 128k up to 384k) and you pay based on the number of megs you d/l. Furthermore, there's no DRM on the files you d/l.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:27PM (#7291603)
    Why? It's not exactly as if he's posted a justification.

    And his comment about "for any reason" - so if the RIAA sues Apple for putting too harsh a DRM on their music, requiring Apple distribute everything in Ogg Vorbis format (yeah, I know, not very likely), he's going to boycott them?

  • Re:10 times? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:28PM (#7291610)
    You can burn a playlist 10 times before you have to edit it again. After you edit it, it can be burned another 10 times.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:28PM (#7291617)
    Considering all the errors and omissions in the article, I wouldn't put too much stock in this review.

    iTMS lets you re-download music you've already purchased. It also trashes a moderate number of computers on install, which some may see as a drawback. ;)

    MMJB doesn't work with the iPod? Somebody better tell Apple that they shouldn't have shipped it with all the iPods up until now.

    The other thing he doesn't cover is that Napster and MMJB downloads will work directly, without laborious circumvention techniques, on many different portable players and also on the computer itself on MMJB, WMP, and Winamp.

    iTMS only plays on iTunes or iPod. iThink unless you have an iPod, you're better off with another service.
  • Re:10 times? (Score:5, Informative)

    by cualexander ( 576700 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:29PM (#7291620)
    Here's the deal with the burns. You can only burn the same playlist 10 times. So say you download 20 tracks from the music store. You can only burn those 20 in that exact same order 10 times, but if you switch the 1st and 2nd song you get 10 more burns and so on and so forth. I've also heard you can just delete the playlist and create a new one, but I'm not sure if that works or not. Anyhow heres how Steve Jobs puts it. Unlimited burning of individual tracks, 10 burns per playlist.
  • Re:10 times? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Hawthorne01 ( 575586 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:30PM (#7291644)
    You can burn a given playlist 10 times to CD. After that, you have to mix the tracks up to get another 10 burns, and so on. Any particular song can be burned as many times as you want.
  • Re:Tipware? (Score:3, Informative)

    by GeneralEmergency ( 240687 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:32PM (#7291672) Journal
    OK. As long as I can be assured that The RIAA and the "Big Five" never sees a penny of my money. The RIAA is evil and must be put to (commercial) death.

    Oh...AND I AM NOT A TROLL! This is a LEGITIMATE point to make about this news item. Just because reasonably priced download sites now exist, we still all have an obligation to do every thing we can to quash evil, lawyer flinging, corporate association associations like the RIAA and the MPAA.

    .
  • by squarefish ( 561836 ) * on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:33PM (#7291684)
    It also trashes a moderate number of computers on install

    An updated version (4.1.1) became available for windows yesterday and it addresses the known issues from the initial release last week. read about it here [com.com]
  • by MooCows ( 718367 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:33PM (#7291685)
    You should try the Riaa Radar [magnetbox.com]
    It shows you which labels are not affiliated with the RIAA, and thus are 'safe'
  • by JayBlalock ( 635935 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:35PM (#7291710)
    but is it *yours to copy* once bought?

    Both the Supreme Court and the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 say 'yes'. And, in fact, by the AHRA we pay for those copying rights whenever we buy blank audio CDs.

  • Re:10 times? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Have Blue ( 616 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:49PM (#7291877) Homepage
    The other posts are not quite correct: You can only burn a given playlist 10 times if it contains protected music. You can burn lists of MP3s or unprotected AACs as many times as you want.
  • by worm eater ( 697149 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:49PM (#7291884) Homepage
    Give me a break. The RIAA does not speak for the entire music industry, and there are plenty of great independant labels and pseudo labels (such as CD Baby [cdbaby.com]) that whole-heartedly disagree with the RIAA on many levels. Even before the RIAA was suing its customers it was fucking over the artists, many of whom have become basically indentured servants to the 'big 5.' Personally, I haven't bought major label music in years, just because I think that in general it isn't innovative. Here's who I *do* buy from:
    Beta-lactam Ring [blrrecords.com]
    Elevator Bath [elevatorbath.com]
    IDEA [idearecords.com]
    Wholly Other [wholly-other.com]

    And last but not least, the best independant distributor of anything ever... Forced Exposure [forcedexposure.com]
  • Re:134 (Score:3, Informative)

    by larry bagina ( 561269 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:50PM (#7291901) Journal
    This is slashdot, where being accused of violating the GPL is punishable by death, but violating the microsoft EULA is your civic duty, so it's the justification of p2p file sharing services isn't surprising.

    Ignoring the legal issues, iTunes (and the other services) do have advantages. iTMS provides a large selection of music, consistent quality, fast downloads, and 30-second previews. p2p is generally a wasteland of mislabled files, corrupted downloads, poor encoding, audio glitches, and slow download times, if you can even find what you're looking for. There are some specialized cases where p2p or binary newsgroups are better (bootlegs, studio outtakes, live recordings, etc), but for commercial music, iTunes, musicmatch, etc. offer a more user-friendly experience.

  • by momerath2003 ( 606823 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:52PM (#7291918) Journal
    iTMS lets you re-download music you've already purchased.
    Not true. Once your download has completed, you can't download a song again unless you purchase it again. Apple recommends that you burn a backup of the downloaded song to CD or anything.

    It also trashes a moderate number of computers on install, which some may see as a drawback. ;)
    As someone just said, they released a version that takes care of that.

    MMJB doesn't work with the iPod? Somebody better tell Apple that they shouldn't have shipped it with all the iPods up until now.
    MMJB's DRM-infected^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprotected songs are WMA's, which will not play on the iPod. Regular MP3's and such work just fine, but you can't copy the songs you purchase from their music service (which wasn't around when Apple first packaged the two together).

    The other thing he doesn't cover is that Napster and MMJB downloads will work directly, without laborious circumvention techniques, on many different portable players and also on the computer itself on MMJB, WMP, and Winamp.
    So they work with anything that can read protected WMA. And I wouldn't call burning and re-ripping laborious.

    iTMS only plays on iTunes or iPod. iThink unless you have an iPod, you're better off with another service.
    At least one company (I can't remember the name) has said that if the AAC format (the one that iTunes/iPod uses) catches on, then their players will support it. So don't be too sure about the strictly-Apple requirement in the not-so-distant future.
  • by JayBlalock ( 635935 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @12:53PM (#7291940)
    Wow. That's a remarkably defeatist attitude. So are you claiming that the multitude of small online labels who offer exactly that, don't exist? I linked to one myself, they seem to be real. Not sure where my Shiva in Chains album came from otherwise. Did I send my money down a black hole? A time-space rift? Wow. That's creepy. I just disappeared money.

    Or are you taking the attitude that the RIAA is going to rule forever, it will never fall, and music lovers everywhere will always be enslaved to whatever terms they dictate? Take a look at history if you believe that.

    You just purchase a license to listen to the music.

    Congratulations, you've swallowed the RIAA's propaganda. As a matter of law, unless you're dealing with encrypted CDs, you have full rights to make personal-use copies of music or videos you buy, and also to resell the original CD or other product. The only restriction is that you cannot distribute *copies* in any way without permission, or hold profitable public performances.

  • by Hawthorne01 ( 575586 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @01:13PM (#7292203)
    But with a CD, I have to go to the store buy it, return home, and rip it. Or wait until it gets delivered to me if purchased online. With iTMS, if I want it, 2 minutes later I own it. For someone like me, with the attention span of a gnat with ADD, that's very valuable. There will always be a need to own a phusical copy for some, and I treasure my old CD's and albums, but the convenience of online distribution just rocks.

    I don't use iTMS for all my music desires.I'm guessing this, but I'd say the music on my iPod consists of 1/3 ripped tracks from my CD's, 1/3 um, "found" music, and 1/3 songs from iTMS. I like having another option open to me from which I can get the music I want.

  • Cheap CDs from BMG (Score:2, Informative)

    by I'm Spartacus! ( 238085 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @01:23PM (#7292351)
    BMG is now selling [bmgmusic.com] CDs for $6.99 apiece with free shipping. All of you that have been saying that you'll stop pirating music when it's reasonably priced, here's your chance to live up to those words.

    Of course, now I expect the answer will be that $6.99 is still a rip off for a piece of plastic that costs pennies to manufacture.
  • by doce ( 31638 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @01:36PM (#7292488) Homepage
    most CDs are, in fact, only $9.99. if every track on an album is available, you'll see a "Buy Album" link with it's price.

    On compilation CDs, though, it seems that tracks are often missing. I'd guess probably due to licensing issues. Ultra Lounge CDs seem to all be partial... and thus, not available to buy whole. Maybe they'll fill it out later and have it available at a more rational, reduced cost.
  • by usurper_ii ( 306966 ) <eyes0nlyNO@SPAMquest4.org> on Thursday October 23, 2003 @01:41PM (#7292537) Homepage
    I have over three hundred CDs and very few of them were purchased retail. In fact, the biggest majority of my CDs that weren't bought used, came from BMG.

    To me, BMG is like dollar movies. You have to wait a little bit for the good stuff to hit the catalog but if you aren't in a big hurry, you can save 50%-plus. They often have really good sales where you can buy one and get two or three free (yeah, they stick it to you on shipping but it is still far cheaper than going to a retail store).

    I have wondered about why nobody on here mentions BMG whenever everyone is bitching about high prices for CDs before...and personally, I suspect you are right: some people just like to bitch!

    For a list of my music, check out:
    http://www.parentingforless.com/mp3trade/

    Usurper_ii
  • Re:iShit (Score:4, Informative)

    by Temporal ( 96070 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @01:44PM (#7292573) Journal
    I know you're joking, but for those who don't know already: iTunes on Windows can be made to play OGGs. Just install this open source OGG component for Quicktime [sourceforge.net]. Download the Windows version and stick it in your system32\QuickTime directory. (The component is a little buggy in that it will pause for a few seconds before it starts playing an OGG, but it DOES play.)
  • by BigOTeeToe ( 534756 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @01:56PM (#7292714) Homepage
    I also am a huge fan / customer of Rhapsody. I also tried out iTunes when it came out, and it doesn't look like there is any way to build playlists or play tracks "on demand" as I can with Rhapsody. Also, Rhapsody has superior radio stations, and I can build custom radio stations based on entering a sampling of artists. Perhaps iTunes has these features, but I am not aware of them.
    Another thing Rhapsody does it create a featured playlist / mix each weeek on the main page.
  • left out two (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, 2003 @01:57PM (#7292720)
    Too bad he left out buymusic.com and rhapsody, although rhapsody loses until it gets rid of the monthly fee.
    I have been doing a technical based comparison, and my own thought is that you'll go where the music is available, and if tied, the best sound quality. My (starting) chart is at http://www.techolio.com/onlinemusic/index.html
    Fu nny how he thought musicmatch was the slow one, I found itunes sucked a lot of cpu browsing-wise!
    rick
  • by shark72 ( 702619 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @02:30PM (#7293149)

    "And since copyright "theft" is really just infringment, which is a civil matter, all the RIAA can possibly do is sue people."

    A common misperception. Here's the portion of copyright law which deals with criminal infringement [copyright.gov].

    Additionally, Googling on "criminal copyright infringement" will deliver links to data on criminal cases where copyright infringers have done jail time.

  • by LetterJ ( 3524 ) <j@wynia.org> on Thursday October 23, 2003 @03:00PM (#7293533) Homepage
    1000GB a week isn't really that expensive. I currently pay $99 for 700GB/month *including* the server cost at rackshack.net. I could handle that amount of bandwidth with 6 of these $99/month servers. Assuming the half million songs per week, even dropping down to $0.75/song if lots of albums are bought (13 songs for $9.99), you're still looking at $1,500,000 per month, with the bandwidth costing *me* (I certainly hope Apple can get a better deal than I can) only $594. While bandwidth isn't free, it's certainly not even a significant portion of the expense of running the service. That amount doesn't even pay for someone to answer to answer the phone part time.

    I'm not disagreeing with your statement that a large portion of the $1/song goes to expenses, but a lot of those expenses aren't where you'd think they are. Remember, whereever 2 or 3 million dollars are gathered, there also gather middle managers and expense accounts.
  • by yerricde ( 125198 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @03:35PM (#7293967) Homepage Journal

    Most JPEG implementations use a constant quantizer matrix for a given "image quality" setting. Given a constant quantizer matrix, JPEG image compression uses the same step function for repeated compression and decompression of the same image. JPEG also works with each DCT block as it finds it and doesn't overlap them; a change to one block won't affect the others. Therefore, if you always use the same quality setting, you can edit small portions of a JPEG image without damaging the rest.

    MP3 and Vorbis, on the other hand, changes quantizers based on the observed characteristics of the audio after the frequencies have been convolved with a masking function. This can subtly change some frequency bands' step functions on repeated compression. In addition, MP3 and Vorbis process using an MDCT, which processes overlapping blocks of signal, and an error can spread from block to block on repeated recompression. Heck, MP3 codecs don't even seem to have a consistent idea of the encoder's delay, so blocks may not be aligned from one save to the next.

  • by tgd ( 2822 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @04:00PM (#7294265)
    Artists don't get a penny, not a single one, from everything sold at BMG. They negotiate flat fees with the lables directly for the use of their catalog, and thats the extent of it.

    A user downloading 10 gig of music over WinMX, finding two CDs they like and going out and buying those on a whim gets more money to the artists than buying $1000 worth of CDs from BMG.

  • Secure Audio Path (Score:2, Informative)

    by yerricde ( 125198 ) on Thursday October 23, 2003 @04:10PM (#7294376) Homepage Journal

    Windows Media Audio with digital restrictions management encoding is encrypted, and it's decrypted, decompressed, and output through a Secure Audio Path (explanation [pineight.com]). But because these services do in fact allow recording audio to a CD-RW disc, the limitation of no direct transcoding to MP3 is only a minor hurdle.

  • by Eponymous, Showered ( 73818 ) <jase@@@dufair...org> on Thursday October 23, 2003 @04:20PM (#7294504) Homepage
    iTunes is actively courting indie labels. Check out cdbaby.com/dd for an example.

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