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Who Needs Radio? 649

DragonMagic writes "MSNBC asks what many /.ers have been asking: Who needs the radio anymore? Rather, it goes on to really ask, who needs the RIAA anymore? With online music distribution sources, television, and the internet itself, how much longer will it be before the radio, and the RIAA, will be an obsolete means to promote artists?"
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  • npr (Score:4, Interesting)

    by asv108 ( 141455 ) * <asv@noSPam.ivoss.com> on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:20PM (#7332961) Homepage Journal
    Maybe I just starting to get old, but NPR is a good way to stay abreast of the latest news during my daily commute and provides some sanity, compared to TV news stations like FoxNews. As for commercial radio, besides to occasional classic rock channel, I've found that local college radio has the best offerings.
  • Without Radio (Score:3, Interesting)

    by akiaki007 ( 148804 ) <aa316.nyu@edu> on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:23PM (#7333003)
    Where are you going to hear a band for the first time? Are you going to trust all of the users on the P2P networks in that these "new artists" (filename renamed) are new artists, and even if they are legitamite new artists, are you going to like the style, genre of music? Radio stations are there to sift out a lot of this for you. Yes, Infinity owns most of them, and yes they play a lot of things per request of the record labels, but there are lots of legitamate radio stations that are free to play anything and everything (of course in the genre of the station).

    You can't really think that WE will do it on our own. I personally don't have that kind of time nor the will to search for good music on my own. There is just too much out there. I'd have to go to every local bar here in NYC to see even 1% of them, and then what?

    Getting rid of radio is stupid. I see no real reason to get rid of it. I do see a reason to make it less monopolistic and let the smaller stations take control of themselves, but I see NO good reason to get rid of them.
  • Radio (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:23PM (#7333007) Journal
    Radio will be used for a long long time to come.

    Ever try to watch TV without using your eyes? It is a visual medium. Most TV shows are unexciting and moronic without the visuals. Try this the next time you watch tv, tape your eyes shut, and just listen. How long before you are bored.

    Radio, requires more imagination, more intellegence, and is better stimulation for the brain. Leftwingers have NPR, Rightwingers have Rush (well not at the moment).

    Try making sense of beer commercials while blind. "And twins!". Lame. And don't get me started on Porn. What is the point of THAT if you are blind?

    You see TV requires more attention while using less brain. Radio requires LESS attention while using MORE brain. Ever try taking apart an engine while watching TV?

    I think you get the picture.
  • Regional success (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AntiPasto ( 168263 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:24PM (#7333008) Journal
    Spoke with a guy from a local band The Sun who recently got signed to Warner Brothers... I gave him the usual speil about them being glorified banks, and he basically said "well, our drummer had a baby... we kinda needed the money..."

    We went on to discuss, however, that *regional* bands with not much beyond their own PR machine can and do acheive success in a DIY way. The local music scene of Columbus, OH, where I'm from for instance, is very encouraging.

    A local band called Wigglepussy, Indiana is having so much success behind thier own marketing, that it spawned somewhat of a marketing-firm in and of itself.

    I think this is what we need to... music from us, and for us, from where we are.

  • RIAA == Collusion (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JavaSavant ( 579820 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:26PM (#7333034) Homepage

    The dirty word that I never hear mentioned about the RIAA is that they are really no more than a bunch of record exec goons that are guilty of collusion. They've been essentially dubbed collusive as a result of losing that price fixing suit a year or so ago. They control prices, product, and are given the free reign to block competition. They are really no different from OPEC or DeBeers.

    Who needs Oil when we have (someday) hydrogen fuel cells? No one, as long as OPEC is around. Diamonds are incredibly common gemstones, but they are the most expensive, because the product is under the complete control of one group of profiteers. The only difference between deBeers, OPEC, and the RIAA is that for some reason, the RIAA is the only one of those groups that is allowed to exist within the geopolitical boundaries of the United States. OPEC and DeBeers theoretically would have never been allowed to survive in the U.S. in the past. (We can also surely group the MPAA into this group, and their new ban of screeners is further proof of collusion used to kill competition.)

    So why do we need RIAA?

    Because they say we do.

  • by LucasMedaffy ( 598394 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:26PM (#7333036)
    Almost every university campus has an independent radio station where almost anybody can get airtime for a few hours, and say/play what they want. I know that very few people tune in, but I really enjoy it. You get a very eclectic collection of music, and usually some "interesting" individuals. I don't think radio will ever die, even the commercial stations, mostly due to car drivers and the ability to hear music that you didn't have to actively search out, even if the music is only being played because RIAA lined that radio station's coffers.
  • payola versus piracy (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sl0ppy ( 454532 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:27PM (#7333054)
    it kind of makes me wonder at what point the "cost of illegal downloads" actually approaches the cost of payola for radio play (or "distributors" that work as agents).

    imagine, payola ends, and suddenly certain songs flood the p2p networks, or "download centers".

  • Re:What? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:27PM (#7333056) Homepage Journal
    I do also.
    The key is how many people listen to music at home VS in there car. I bet most people listen to music in there car more hours of the day than in there homes.

    What I really think people are missing is the community aspect of radio. In many small towns the local radio station plays an imporant role. They cover the local high school sports, weather, and community affairs.
    They also serve an important role during emergencys.

    That is one of the reasons I hate the "Clear Channel" stations. They are nothing but repeaters for the mother station. I think it is time to put more restrictions on local stations. They should have a required amount of local program content.

  • Re:What? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by MysticOne ( 142751 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:32PM (#7333113) Homepage
    Begging? No, public radio and public television stations ask for money because they're supported by the listeners or viewers. Because of this, they give you what you want and cut the crap. Of course, they also have corporate sponsorship/underwriters, but that isn't nearly as profitable for public stations as it would be for commercial stations. But that's okay, because they have us, the listeners, to support them. In turn, we get what we want ... quality.

    As for music radio... I haven't listened in years. So whatever happens to it doesn't matter much to me. Commercial music stations can shove it for all I care.
  • by ikewillis ( 586793 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:37PM (#7333192) Homepage
    Clear Channel stations are certainly not worth listening to. I used to think local call-in contests were bad enough, but Clear Channel has made them nationwide. Combine this with their highly censored playlists, their blind dedication to the war in Iraq coupled with sensationalist misreporting (a Clear Channel station here reported four buried vans in the desert as "Vindication for Bush: underground chemical weapons Labs were found today in Iraq") and their propensity for hiring the most moronic, annoying DJs possible, and you have the recipe for a radio station I never want to listen to. Contrast this with our local independent station, 99.5 [995themountain.com]. They don't have call-in contests, you simply sign up as a "community member" of their station and they randomly give away concert tickets. They play an enormous variety of music, and it's rare to hear the same song played more than once in a single month. They have knowledgable DJs who discuss things you never knew about the music they play in a calm, conversational manner so it's pleasant to listen to. I conclude by saying, in the words of Frank Zappa, "KILL UGLY RADIO"
  • by arashiakari ( 633150 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:41PM (#7333230) Homepage
    Rush Limbaugh (and his guest host's) 20 MILLION LISTENERS every week is pretty damn significant.

    While it seems most slashdot readers are socialist left-wingers... some of us, myself included, listen to many hours of radio daily.

    Of course that wouldn't occur to the slashdot moderator who accepted this story since nearly every successful talk radio program is conservative.
  • RobotRunAmok is middle-of-the-road, or at least she thinks she is.

    Fox News is an obvious conservative propaganda outlet. They insisted on highlighting the gravitas of the Schwarzenegger campaign. They invented the term homicide bomber out of whole cloth in a deliberate and cynical attempt to reframe the Palestinian question. They are run by Rupert Murdoch. Their coverage of the Plame felony has been notoriously one-sided.

    I really could go on and on. Let's hear from someone who can recite a similar litany explaining how NPR is left-wing. Indymedia is left wing. Pacifica is left-wing. There is no major national left-wing news television or radio network at the present time.

    Now, draw up sides, and... engage!

    Mmmmm, a worm on a string- my favorite!
  • Moderate this Funny! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Bernie Fsckinner ( 203701 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @06:53PM (#7333370)
    Can you say Clear Channel + Infinity = 90%
  • Radio is alive (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tacoguy ( 676855 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:06PM (#7333487)
    Programming is the issue, not the medium.

    Radio is the delivery mechanism but programming falls into 5 categories:

    Local with syndication
    ClearChannel
    College
    Public
    XM and Sirius satellite delivered

    I don't have Sirius but do have XM at home and at work and the programming is very diverse. For example last night was a sneak preview of the entire new Moody Blues album.

    People will listen to "radio" if timely and high quality music is delivered in a high quality format.

    TG
  • College radio (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Joey Patterson ( 547891 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:12PM (#7333540)
    Quoth the article:

    There was a time when deejays could play whatever they wanted, and the radio was the place to go to hear a variety of music and discover new artists.

    What about college radio stations? The station I volunteer at [kumm.org] bans any Top 40 music from the past 10 years on our air, and we have loads of new music [kumm.org] to discuss and recommend.
  • Re:What? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Our Man In Redmond ( 63094 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:18PM (#7333617)
    Back in the day clear channel stations (not to be confused with stations owned by Clear Channel Communications) were a major communication link in this country. For those who don't know, back in the day (we're talking 70+ years ago) the Federal Communications Commission designeated a certain number of stations as "clear channel" stations. They were authorized to use the maximum power allowed by Federal law (50,000 watts), only one or two stations in the country were assigned to each frequency, and the stations were required to set up their antenna patterns to avoid interfering with each other as much as possible (this last one may have come later, I'm not sure). The net result was a set of stations that served not only their local communities, but a large area beyond. KSL in Salt Lake City, KOA in Denver, KMOX in St. Louis, WOI in Des Moines, KIRO in Seattle, KGO in San Francisco . . . there were probably a hundred such stations, all serving listeners in areas where the local stations didn't broadcast at night, or didn't carry national programming (news and network radio shows) or locally-generated programs of interest (Normon-themed programming from KSL, Cardinals baseball from KMOX, crop and farming information from WOI, etc).

    * whew * (catches breath)

    As television became the dominant entertainment medium in America in the 60s and 70s, the clear-channel stations started becoming less and less important to their former audiences. All the stations I mentioned above are still broadcasting, but in most cases they share their frequencies with a number of other local stations.
  • Re:What? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Karl Cocknozzle ( 514413 ) <kcocknozzle.hotmail@com> on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:23PM (#7333661) Homepage
    As a radio producer, I feel the real "art" in radio is well beyond just spinning tunes.

    Amen brother... When I first got out of college, my career goal was radio personality. (I know, looking back it seems like a shallow goal..) I was floored when, in an interview to be an afternoon personality/production manager I was told "Hey man, this ain't art. Just a well researched playlist..."

    It helped me understand that the radio industry I fell in love with had changed for the worse, into a glorified jukebox with very little original, compelling programming on the air. Gone was the idea that a radio show could make a difference in somebody's life, mood, or world view... Gone was the idea that a radio station did certain things for the community as a condition of being on the air, like local news, community affairs programs, and local election coverage. In its place was the idea that the rotary club should pay to have a show on your station on Sunday morning at 7am. That local election info is a "buzz-kill" and doesn't "fit with what we're doing here."

    I was quite sad. Then I got into computers, where everything is wine and roses...
  • Re:What? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:33PM (#7333759)
    I listen to radio for far more hours than I watch TV per week (about 8 hours per week of radio and may 4 hours per week of TV); and yeah TAL is a great show.

  • Re:What? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by stonecypher ( 118140 ) <stonecypher@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:34PM (#7333777) Homepage Journal
    Pardon me. The mass media was ridiculously behind, incorrect, and self-argumentative during 9/11. Slashdot was the only thing carrying more than one viewpoint, and it weathered the storm quite well.

    As far as vulnerable to backhoes, radio is far more susceptible to damage, being that a single broadcast point is quickly silenced. I'd be hard pressed to find a network more resistant to damage than IP.
  • Re:What? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by laird ( 2705 ) <lairdp@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @07:40PM (#7333824) Journal
    I understand your point, but for me (living in Manhattan) the internet was the only decent communications medium on 9/11/01. The television was mindlessly looping 30 seconds of video (that I did _not_ want my kids to memorize), the telephones didn't work most of the time, the cell phone network was useless (and as a decent human being you'd want to avoid consuming either, so that emergency workers could get their jobs done) and the internet was JUST FINE. I could get info I needed, when I needed it, with no outages. I could email people, and receive email, just fine. So I spend the next few days playing in the park with my kids and using the internet for communication -- quite pleasant, actually, except for everything smelling like burnt concrete, and feeling jumpy every time a fighter plane circled the city (which was every few minutes).
  • by GunFodder ( 208805 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @08:26PM (#7334180)
    I remember listening to a professor of mine discuss the problem with TV with his head teaching assistant, and it boiled down to this: the simultaneous images and sound of TV are so overwhelming to the senses that it is very difficult to think about what you are watching while you are viewing it. OTOH one can think critically about a show on the radio. This is why talk radio is so popular.

    Additionally it is nice to listen to something new; this is impossible if you are creating your own tracklists. Listing to someone else's tracklists can lead to interesting new music.

    Finally there are many situations where video is not feasible. The car is a great example; other sitatuations may involve a lack of space or funds for a video screen.

    However radio is not without problems. There are many times when we cannot get the content we want due to the physics of broadcasting. Only a very limited number of channels are available, and if we are in the wrong place we cannot tune in our favorites. And the costs and licensing required to broadcast mean that only a select few get on the air.

    The solution is to keep our favorite radio shows, but change the delivery mechanism. It would work like the internet; all our favorite shows would be sites with streaming content that we tune in over a wireless network. Of course we would need to find bandwidth to provide nearly everyone with a hi-fi channel, but that is just a matter of time. Then almost anyone could broadcast content, there would be no geographical barriers to reception and we could have virtually unlimited channels.
  • by libre lover ( 516057 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @08:50PM (#7334342) Homepage

    For some time I'd given up listening to mainstream music on FM stations. I can't stand listening to the same songs over and over when they aren't playing five or six ads in a row or some DJ isn't rambling on about something or other. I'd listen to NPR and some college stations in the area, but that was about it.

    Then, several weeks ago, I decided to hook up my TV antenna to my stereo at home so that I could pick up one of the college stations I listen to in the car and after doing so I carefully scanned the band to see if there were any stations I could pick up with the TV antenna that I couldn't get in the truck. Sure enough, I found 104.1 KMFR, and it wasn't all that weak either. Turns out, it was a new FM station that first went on the air in 2002! I was suprised to find it because I figured that all of the available spectrum space in the San Antonio metro area was already claimed but what the guy who set up KMFR did was get a license to serve a rural community about 40 miles south of San Antonio (Pearsall) and then built a 100,000 watt station that "just happens" to reach San Antonio. (All of the station's ads are for San Antonio businesses.)

    What's really interesting about KMFR is that it's a high power FM station fed by a PC (or dedicated PC-like device) that randomly picks songs (in KMFR's case, classic rock) to play along with commercials and station promos. The format is two or three songs, one 15 or 30 second spot, 5 second station promo (My favorite: "KMFR, a marginally profitable enterprise of Radio Tuna, Limited) and then another two or three songs, etc, etc.

    There's no DJ or studio. About 1/3 of the commercials, all of which are done by the same announcer without background music or other special effects, are aimed at potential advertisers and provide the station's phone number. One time I called that number and got the owner's personal answering machine. I looked in the phonebook for KMFR but there's no listing so apparently KMFR is run by one guy out of his house! (To quote some of the ads: .. "We've recently added a high dollar answering machine so you can now call us anytime!" .. "Call and talk to the big man himself!" .. "How can KMFR make any money with so few ads? The answer is: Low overhead!")

    While I find it refreshing to find a commercial station that plays a very wide playlist (they even play John Lennon's "Imagine"!) with very little interruption, I'm also concerned that it has the same lack of public service capabilities as the remotely controlled Clear Channel stations.

  • by gumbi west ( 610122 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @09:05PM (#7334428) Journal
    The Problem here is that NPR listeners are well informed and Fox News listeners are not well informed.

    Check out For example, according to the report (pp 13) 67 percent of Fox News listeners think there is an Al-Qauda Iraq link. only 16% of NPR-PBS listeners/watchers had the same wrong idea. If you think that there was such a link you may care to kno that the President of the United States said there was no evidence of any such link. All right, mod me down as not conservative now.

  • by NuttyBee ( 90438 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @09:33PM (#7334577)
    I just got XM Satellite Radio. It's great, has genre specific channels so that I'm never blasted with music I dislike. I guess there are enough 1980s fans to warrant a niche chanel like "80s on XM 8". XM limits commercials to 6 minutes an hour and some channels have none.

    XM has made radio fun again. It has eliminated DJs who talk too much, too many commercials, and "Hits of the 70,80,90, and Today" where the station attempts to be the "universal" choice and just becomes "universally" annoying.

    Nothing wrong with radio, just make sure you have the right radio..
  • Re:What? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BinxBolling ( 121740 ) on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @10:04PM (#7334746)
    How soon we forget. Anyone remember how useless the Internet was on 11 September 2001?

    No, actually. What I remember is getting a blow-by-blow via IM from a friend in NYC, and watching him gradually become unhinged as events progressed.

    Maybe the major news sites had trouble with the load, but that's hardly an indictment of the net at large. For many on that day, it was far more useful than the telephone networks (wired or wireless).

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 28, 2003 @10:12PM (#7334795)
    > their propensity for hiring the most moronic, annoying DJs possible,

    Is it that they hire these types, or that these are the types willing to work for cc? Curiously enough I talked recently with a guy who started in the early 60s (you know before the british invasion?). He was pretty relieved to have gotten out of the 'biz about 5 years ago.

    Personally, I had come to the conclusion commercial radio had become crap about 20 years ago, and couldn't stomach it anymore. I scanning the dial about a year ago, and like so many other things, I was impressed that my expectations could be lowered even further.

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