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Music Industry Develops Centralized File-Sharing System 241

pearljam145 writes "A new file-sharing standard designed to distribute copyrighted music and movies legitimately has been developed by a technology consortium. The system could deliver any content format to any computer, and users might even earn rewards points for sharing the files. Using the new standard, computer users could share small files containing information about music, video or other data, but not the content itself. The Content Reference Forum (CRF), founded by Universal Music Group backed by technology companies including Microsoft, is hoping the sharing file standard will be adopted by technology companies and incorporated into software music players."
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Music Industry Develops Centralized File-Sharing System

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  • by SmallFurryCreature ( 593017 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:19PM (#7701592) Journal
    Sure keeping an open mind is a good and noble thing but I am a suspicious bugger and fail to see the WOW factor.

    So now I can send you a small file that will allow you to get an album or movie after you pay for it. Exactly how is this different from me linking you to say amazon with my referer number?

    Sure if you can get a lot of people to take note of your recommendations you could make some money perhaps but this type of stuff has existed for years.

    Oh well. NEXT

  • Re:The point is? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by webwench_72 ( 541358 ) <webwench_72 AT yahoo DOT com> on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:19PM (#7701593) Homepage
    I would guess (given the article seems to be slashdotted) that it allows the same sort of referencing, playlist-sharing, and new-music-recommendation capabilities of existing music-sharing services, without the problematic issue of sharing the copyrighted content itself. IN other words, they're getting their users to do their advertising for them, without giving anything back. But it does seem to me to be a step in the right direction.
  • I dunno... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Yakko ( 4996 ) <eslingc AT linuxmail DOT org> on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:23PM (#7701660) Homepage Journal
    I tend to not want to reward the content industries like RIAA and MPAA by using my bandwidth to share metadata. Also, they mention something about device independence. I'll believe that when I see content play on a FreeBSD machine (for example) without having to install special software.

    It's way too late for these industries to be asking us to trust them at all. For the bulk of us, I'm sure that trust is gone for good.

    This won't really do much to protect content. I think it'll be just like all other protection schemes -- subject to transcoding into a format that can be used (and shared) by anything.

  • by onyxruby ( 118189 ) <onyxrubyNO@SPAMcomcast.net> on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:25PM (#7701677)
    Points are given out based on how many people you can get suckered into paying to download a license for these files. Payments for getting friends and family to spend money on a third party product, how long until you get more points for getting them to also become a distributor. Tis nothing more than a pyramid marketing scheme. Pyramid schemes were once known for things like filter queen and herbalife. Perhaps we should call this marketing program "needalife"?

    If they were being honest about they could just market to the masses with commercials and have honest downloads like itunes or the like. Instead they are trying to get the masses to go astroturfing on their behalf. Expose this for the lie that it is.
  • Sick and tired (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Pergatory ( 596016 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:25PM (#7701682)
    I don't think there's anything wrong with /., I think everyone is just sick and tired of hearing about the poor music industry losing their iron hold on creativity. Boo hoo. At least they finally realized that they can't sue us into their way of thinking. Too bad it's too late, unless they've received SO much bad publicity that it perpetuates their evil empire through fear rather than genuine market profit. Bye bye, RIAA, we won't miss you.
  • by CmdrNullo ( 717391 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:48PM (#7702005)
    On the plus side, the music industry appears to be getting away from expecting that people will share their DRM'd files with no compensation. A reward structure in terms of merchandise or better access to the network is absolutely necessary for them to leverage a peer to peer network. Also, the music industry having been involved in these sorts of standards helps contradict the automatic demonization of any peer to peer network.
  • It won't work (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Frennzy ( 730093 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:49PM (#7702007) Homepage
    How long will it be before folks who use the service realize they can imbed links to free versions of the music in the metadata? For that matter, how limited is the metadata? How about an mp3 converted to a long ascii string inserted into the metadata, which can then be reconverted back into a binary mp3/ For me, I wouldn't mind paying per song to download quality material...I do believe that artists should be compensated for their work. What I don't understand is why so many of them DON'T jump off their label contracts and embrace the largest global market, with next to no production costs. Create music. Record music. Post music to website with shopping cart. Wait for money to roll in. Sure, the fabulously wealthy 'stars' probably wouldn't make as much money this way...but what about the folks that don't have a contract/label? Why not go straight to publishing? Hell, there are tens of millions of 'writers' out there in blogland publishing their own written works...
  • Advertising (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jefu ( 53450 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:50PM (#7702023) Homepage Journal
    It suddenly occured to me to wonder what would happen if you actually put out a bad review about something. Do I really believe that these guys will assist in moving such negative information around? Somehow I doubt it.
  • by cgenman ( 325138 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:58PM (#7702134) Homepage
    If I share a CD with a friend, part of that is because I want them to enjoy the CD and part of that is because they don't yet like the band enough to pay for the CD. A big part of trolling around on P2P apps is looking for new and unique music that you may not have heard of before, and certainly wouldn't be willing to pay for until you decided that you liked it.

    On the other hand, what the Music Industry is offering, is a way to tell people what music is good, but not a way to actually show them. It's a form of becoming a mini-repository for links to available music... Music that the person thought was good enough to buy. In other words, popular music. While that idea is interesting and has at least some merit, why one would actually host such a thing on their personal machine and why other people would push for that standard is beyond me. Perhaps the idea was that someone should be able to share a file purchased from iTunes, and that other people in listening to a 30 second preview could decide if it was worth buying. But those people would necessarily already be on a file network where real files are shared. Why not just have a central repository... a great mall for music?

    Ah well. A small group of programmers somewhere got a job doing this, and the RIAA is picking up the bill. I suppose worse things have happened.

  • by CodeHog ( 666724 ) <joe.slacker@gmai l . com> on Friday December 12, 2003 @12:58PM (#7702142) Homepage
    Are you implying that they see themselves as God? The image could be seen in another light, as in the hands are connecting to each other...like sharing files...just mho.
  • www.freedb.org (Score:4, Interesting)

    by real_smiff ( 611054 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @01:02PM (#7702197)
    Not tried MusicBrainz, but I've just discovered "freedb". available as a plugin for foobar2000, so you can just right click a bunch of songs and choose "get tags". Most albums i've tried were found. Fast. Recommended.

    http://www.freedb.org/freedb_aware_apps.php - seems to be well supported aswell.

  • by Hangtime ( 19526 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @01:21PM (#7702447) Homepage
    (AP) Paris - 12/12/2003 10:53 AM
    Vivendi Universal today was among the host of media companies with record company subsidiaries reporting record profits for the third quarter. Jean-Marie Messier, CEO of Vivendi, attributed the stellar quarter to the company's partnership with the Napster Inc. Napster, a software program used to share and download music, started out as a way to pirate music, but turned legitimate in December 2000 with a broad licensing agreement between each of the five major record labels. Since that time, Napster has made agreements with 6 of the 7 largest US ISPs and OEM deals with computer manufactuers Hewlett Packard and Dell Computer to either install or give users the right to download music from the network. In the case of AOL and Earthlink subscribers, each customer pays an additional $10 a month to share and download from the network. In addition, deals with most of the top indie record labels have followed since 2000 giving Napster users the right to share and download those record label files from the Napster network.

    "While we ceratinly were anxious at the beginning of the Napster "experiment", it has truly taken off. It is our hope that even more users will join the network, we are already seeing wonderful penetration in Europe." This past spring, Napster opened its gates to European users in one of the biggest product launches in history. "The network almost doubled the day we opened up to Europe. We are now seeing concurrent usage approaching over 500,000 users with nearly 100 Terabytes of files being shared on the network." explained chief technology officer Shawn Fanning. "With our improved distribution system, we hope to push on into Asia sometime in the 2nd quarter of 2004 once we reach deals with many of the labels there."

    The success of the music industry stands in dark contrast to the rest of the economy which grew at an annualized rate of 1.2% this quarter while revenue among the five largest record labels was up 11% from last year. When questioned about Napster Messier replied "Napster has truly been an innovative product and has rewarded Vivendi shareholders and most other media company shareholders immensely."
  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @01:43PM (#7702724) Homepage
    It's a hideously inefficient method of distributing a rather modest volume of material. The music industry only generates a few tens of megabytes per day of new content, expressed as MP3 files. If it were legal, it would be minor traffic in the USENET binary groups. Even as cacheable HTTP traffic, the server load would be minimal.

    Instead, horrendously inefficient "file sharing" systems are chewing up vast amounts of bandwidth.

    It might pay for some Internet or computer company to buy out the music industry, just to get the overhead down. The entire music industry is considerably smaller than Compaq was, after all. At one point, Red Hat had a much bigger market cap than the entire music industry.

  • by Casualposter ( 572489 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @02:27PM (#7703331) Journal
    Lordy Lordy! Not more "rewards programs" involving "points" Everybody from the AMWAY corporation on through the whole credit card industry down to the WinnDixie Grocercy store has a friggin rewards program based on points where you can get "cool stuff" (crap I'd never buy at really bad prices) for points-(a point has some "value" associated with it that is rumored to be linked to a currency on a formula basis that when converted to real money is very very small.)

    I don't have credit cards with "rewards" systems and I don't shop in stores with "rewards" systems. I want a good deal without having to get permission to participate in advance.

    If that is the only way to get music in the future, I'll hum.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12, 2003 @02:44PM (#7703532)
    I already share information! I share only information about the content. I share information on how this mp3 file sounds. I share information on how the quality of the divx rip of the extended edition fo the two towers looks compaired to the actuall DVD. If you ask me, that is information that is important. :-)
  • by Saria525 ( 730821 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @02:45PM (#7703550)

    So you don't have to register for "that crap", the jist of the article is this: The University of Rochester is doing a pilot study focusing on "legitimate music downloading services for implementation as early as next semester." However, that would eventually lead to tying in a flat fee that is automatically put into a student's tuition costs even if they do not download music.

    According to Provost Charles Phelps, a representative from the Joint Committee of the Higher Education and Entertainment Communities: "What happens in the future will depend on how the pilot works out. We'd discuss any permanent arrangements with student groups first, of course, before making any permanent commitment. In any event, the added costs will likely measure well under one percent of room and board."

    Of course the students here are upset. Last time we were promised talk of permanent of arrangements before action, Aramark took over as a monopoly for campus food. Ewww...

    It's even better how they claim it'll work wonderfully, and that "Participation will not be optional."

  • by Alsee ( 515537 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @02:53PM (#7703658) Homepage
    Quotes from the first design specification:

    while ensuring compliance of the appropriate commercial terms for a given consumer - while ensuring DRM is enforced on you.

    Content Refference data package can capture such information as [] what is the technical environment of the consumer e.g., [] content protection methods - Your "technical enviornment" means Trusted Computing reporting what software you are running, in particular securely reports if your computer will enforce DRM.

    There is a core set of functional requirements that the CR Architecture must meet in order to enable content refferences-based content distribution and commerces
    The files only work if you have HARDWARE (architecture) that meets the following requirements:
    content registration
    The content is encrypted/locked to your specific machine.
    expression and enforcment of rights and conditions for distribution or use of content
    Trusted hardware with Trusted software that securely expresses (reports) its DRM enforment policies and that undrestands DRM enforcement instructions.
    description of user context relevant to aquiring and processing content
    Securely reporting your Trusted Computing hardware and software (context).
    clearance of content related transactions
    Making payment (clearance) of the purchase (transaction).

    And that is just from the first 4 pages of the first secification document. The second document defines "Contract Expression Language". That is a laguage to define DRM rules. For example the language allows them to write a CONTRACT object where your Trusted Computer SIGNS a PROMISE that will GRANT you the ability to copy the song to a Trusted iPod on the CONDITION that you first meet the DUTY of making a payment to the copyright holder. The contract could demand a payment every time you play the song, or it could require a monthly payment ro "rent" the song.

    Section 5.2:
    1. This specification does not specify how and where the contracts expressed using the defined profile is enforced....
    2. This specification does not define the root of trust or any trust model for that matter.
    3. This speciication does not specify how trust is established or validated

    Yeah yeah yeah, they are trying to claim that this has nothing to do with Trusted Computing - but #1 does expect the contracts to be enforced, #2 does expect a root of trust and a trust model to exist, and #3 expects the trust to be established and validated. This crap lives on top of Trusted Computing, it is a part of the Trusted Computing chain.

    5.3 specifies the contracts must support OBLIGATIONS, PROHIBITIONS, and PERMISSIONS. In particular they must support An event that represents that a monetary payment is due. It must represent a fee amount and to whom it must me paid and how it must be paid.

    Now here's their Big Idea. You buy one of these songs. You can then share this song on ANY P2P service or post it on any website. Anyone who downloads this song MUST BUY IT before they can play it. That purchase can include a payment to YOU for hosting, advertizing, and transmitting the file. You become part of the "value chain", you may get paid. The copyright holder could define a fixed commission to you, or he could allow you to tack on any payment contract of your own. YOU get to decide how much someone has to pay you for downloading the song from you.

    This is their Big Idea. They are all excited about "Viral Marketing". Each person hosting a file on P2P is free advertizing for the song, each person hosting the file is offering them free bandwidth to send the song.

    Don't get too excited about getting paid - that part is pure pyramid-scheme. You have to buy the music then hope a butt-load of people buy it from you. Ponzi would be proud.

    THEIR PLAN ONLY WORKS AFTER THEY SHOVE TRUSTED COMPUTERS DOWN OUR THROATS. Anyone without a complia
  • by TyrranzzX ( 617713 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @02:54PM (#7703685) Journal
    Or is the network just for works acquired by monopolies?

    The standard looks like a big bad advertising service, it's funny that they even call this a P2P network. What about sharing other legitimate files too?
  • Re:The point is? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Sylver Dragon ( 445237 ) on Friday December 12, 2003 @03:03PM (#7703761) Journal
    If I bought the CD, can't I just rip it into the appropriate format, at the bitrate I want, and not have to host the RIAA's advertising files? Sure, it may require a sharpie or holding the shift key, but it isn't that hard. From what I gathered from the article, they basically want people to share files, which contain the info about a track, and where to download it legally, and in return they give me points. If I all I wanted was points, I have plenty of games where I can rack up points, and they will probably have about the same value to me, e.g. none. Not to mention, that the whole piont's system is just a maybe.
    Granted, this is probably a step in the right direction (RIAA attempting to work with the internet, rather than break it), but its not quite enough for me to jump on the bandwagon yet.

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