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Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm 124

Dylan Harris writes "I love writing software, and I enjoy reading other people's source -- how they've expressed instructions, the subtle differences when two good programmers use the same language for the same task. Then there's the pleasure of working through a new computer language: how its structure, its form, changes the way a problem is approached, a solution is expressed. Strange as it may seem, I get the same pleasure from reading poetry, but more so. Seeing a poem written in an old familiar form, say a sonnet, is like meeting someone else's code in a language I know. New poems in new forms are new programs in new languages; exciting ideas renewed, refreshed, expressed in different ways." Read on for Dylan's review of a collection from Loss Pequeno Glazier which combines these worlds of expression.
Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm
author Loss Pequeno Glazier
pages 100
publisher Salt
rating bloody good if you like the stuff
reviewer Dylan Harris
ISBN 1844710017
summary Computer infected modern poetry

I can get put off by a lot of avant-garde poetry's excess use of strange words. Take Glazier's newly published first collection Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm. He's succumbed to the usual academic habit of filling his poems with obscure incomprehensibility, like http, chmod, EMACS ... hang on a second, I know these words. They're not literary jargon, they're software babble, the words I work with. If there isn't a schadenfreude sense of humour behind this chap's use of computer terminology in his poetry, there damn well ought to be. I love the image I get of poetry literati, finding poems stuffed with precision from a different kind of language professional, muttering "what the &hellip?"

Look, don't get me wrong, this collection isn't easy. The poems, mostly prose poems, are impressions, sequences of events, themed associations, riddled with puns (sharper than that), observation and humour. Imagine yourself a tourist, walking down a Mexican / Cuban / Texan / Costa Rican town's main street, staring at the activity, the buildings, the air, everything a slap of newness. Now realise I was snug in an English pub on a cold November night drinking some rather good warm beer, reading "Semilla de Calabaza (Pumpkin Seed)," the central sequence of this collection. I'm guided by Glazier, I'm the gawping tourist, I'm hit by his local knowledge, I'm a stranger but I know this town, I'm the visitor and I've lived here forever.

I'd better give you some samples of his work. It's not so easy, each poem is a long whole; chopping bits out destroys the context, much of the expression. Remember, too, I enjoy new ways of saying old things. Perhaps you'll see this collection's appeal to me from this chunk of the fifth "White-Faced Bromeliards on 20 Hectares (An Iteration)":

Finding a pumpkin seed in your vocabulary. A dead tree becomes

a bromeliad alter. Policia Rural. Brahmin cattle. Los Angeles,
Costa Rica's fresh furrows against smoky ridge. Banana chips on
the bus. Una casada, comida tipica lava gushing glowing twilight
plumes & sputters. Before sunset, bathing in a river heated by
lava's flow.

So why on earth am I reviewing a collection of poetry for /. ? As you've probably already sussed, Glazier's a computer chap. He's professor and Director of The Electronic Poetry Center at New York, Buffalo. He knows our not-Unix / Windows wars; they're here in the poetic armoury. It's like having your own private antagonism codified into opera, suddenly there's an aria about DLLs, or caches, and the damn thing works a treat and it damn well shouldn't. It's still his flow of impressions, but now he's taking tourists around our home town, our systems, our neighbourly rows, our familiar world is slapping them with strangeness, they're asking tourist questions, they're got tourist awe, tourist doubts.

From "One Server, One Tablet, and a Diskless Sun":

And what

kind of bugs? Lorca's mystical crickets?
H.D.'s butterflies? Though I think they
must--if the mind does have an eye--be
cockroaches fat, brightly lit, and mightily
glowing. Flying through the mind shaft to
assault any mental indiscretion. Perhaps a
relative of Burroughs introduced this
term. (Stick that in your machine and
add it up!) What vision of mainframe!
What robust modems! What processor
speed!

Some of my worst bugs have embarrassingly been "cockroaches fat, brightly lit, and mightily glowing." I'd better change the subject. It's probably obvious I believe poetry and programming share something vital. As Glazier says, in "Windows 95" (Ironic? You tell me.):

"In a sense code

resembles classical poetry. The requirements of meter (poetry)
and syntax (code) pose both limitations and challenges for the
good poet / programmer to adhere to and overcome in the
process of writing a great poem / program."

The one weakness of this collection, perhaps, cannot be avoided; Glazier's an electronic poet, a web poet; for all his care, the hyperlinks feel like they're still there, hidden and used; the slide-show web pages are unflowing still on paper. Don't get me wrong; these poems work well, but I just get the feeling, which I cannot properly justify, that they're butterflies killed, pinned and collected, fascinating, very beautiful, but their essence is the flittering movement you can never see in a book. But that's not such a problem; you could always browse The Electronic Poetry Center for Glazier's pages.

I didn't know Glazier's work when I bought this collection. It's published by the print-on-demand Australian/UK publisher Salt. I tend to buy their collections simply because they publish them; they seem to have developed the habit of excellence.


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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 18, 2003 @01:22PM (#7755414)
    The local radio station had a super hero named: Anatman

    People around here sometimes say: Anat at the end of their sentences, short for and that. Which is the same as: and stuff.

    Whatcha do?

    I went down to Primani Bros, Ride Aid, anat.

    Yinz definately need to learn a new language if you come in our neck of the woods.
  • by SteelX ( 32194 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @01:30PM (#7755476)
    This kind of reminds me of an essay I read many years ago, about UNIX people, literature, and the command-line. Here's a link if you're interested:

    The Elements Of Style: UNIX As Literature
    by Thomas Scoville
    http://www.insecure.org/stf/scoville_unix_as_liter ature.txt [insecure.org]
  • An ode to Glazier (Score:3, Interesting)

    by agslashdot ( 574098 ) <sundararaman,krishnan&gmail,com> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @01:33PM (#7755506)
    My brain's hard drive spins on its axis,
    anti clock wise.
    Penetrating poetry pokes my peripheral vision
    like a fully charged capacitor on a hot summer day
    My eyes glaze over Glazier's prose
    His profound instructions verbose
    in machine language, almost
    optimized for O(1) execution on a fast Althon
    crippled by the superslow multitasking windows OS,
    Yet, continue to register their keys,
    in my hashtable of memories.
  • Vogon vibe (Score:3, Interesting)

    by OgdEnigmaX ( 535667 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @01:45PM (#7755588)
    While I do like poetry and such, I'm getting a uncomfortably Vogon vibe from this guy's stuff. For the unwashed heathens among us, the following is taken from Douglas Adams' _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_:

    Oh freddled gruntbuggly
    Thy micturations are to me
    As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
    Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
    And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
    Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,
    See if I don't!


    Honestly, if you, in the spirit of semirandom recombination that seems to characterize a good deal of Glazier's work, take the nonsense words and add in random techno-jargon, you'd get a very Glazier-y and equally unsatisfying verse. Jargon-wielding for what appears to be its own sake doesn't make for nerd-digestible poetry. So yes, while I applaud the experimental nature of some of his stuff, I don't much like it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 18, 2003 @01:48PM (#7755609)
    I think your code vs. poetry point is valid, but it doesn't come from some inherent difference in coding, it comes from the marketplace. Most coding is funded. Commercial interests aren't paying for high art. They are paying for pedestrian pragmatism. Easy to understand and maintain, not layered with simile and metaphor. Poets are free to go unread and not understood. Coders won't last long with similar outcomes. When I look at some of those code obfuscation contests, I see more of the branch of coding that produces the pure art of poetry.
  • Re:Wow (Score:2, Interesting)

    by tomboy17 ( 696672 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @01:52PM (#7755648)

    No no no, poetry has nothing to do with freedom. Poetry predates free verse, and even free verse is not about freedom as much as it is about a newer, more flexible use of older forms (in this sense, free verse is not unlike python).

    What makes poetry different from prose is precisely the degree to which structure matters. In poetry, we appreciate accidental bits of syntactic elegance as well as large scale architecture. Loving poetry is precisely about loving the nuance of structure -- loving the way a sonnet fulfills its form, whether by pioneering a totally new approach or simply by implementing an old approach particularly elegantly.

    The idea that poetry should give you freedom just doesn't make any sense. Just because there have been radical poets who wrote about freedom does not mean that poetry has an innate capacity to free you any more than code has an innate capacity to help you buy stuff. We just happen to associate poetry with free thinkers at this historical moment (and computers with popup ads).

    In either case, an aficionado appreciates the subtleties of form, regardless of whether a poem (or piece of code) is selling hotdogs or making an elaborate fart joke or even helping to "free" you (whatever that means).

    tmh

  • Ahhh, home!! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CharAznable ( 702598 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @01:54PM (#7755675)
    Finding a pumpkin seed in your vocabulary. A dead tree becomes a bromeliad alter. Policia Rural. Brahmin cattle. Los Angeles, Costa Rica's fresh furrows against smoky ridge. Banana chips on the bus. Una casada, comida tipica lava gushing glowing twilight plumes & sputters. Before sunset, bathing in a river heated by lava's flow. Ahhh, home!! Can't wait to have some casado and banana chips..
  • More poetry... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ZephyrTheBreeze ( 532880 ) <zephyrthebreeze.comcast@net> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:11PM (#7755864) Homepage

    <>!*''#
    ^@`$$-
    *!'$_
    %*<>#4
    &)../
    {~|**SYSTEM HALTED

    waka waka bang splat tick tick hash
    carat at back-tick dollar dollar dash
    splat bang tick dollar underscore
    percent splat waka waka number four
    ampersand right-paren dot dot slash
    curly bracket tilde pipe splat splat crash

    Taken from the 1337/poetry [berkeley.edu] section of william wu's site [berkeley.edu]

  • Re:Wow (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dilettante ( 91064 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @02:14PM (#7755895)
    I disagree. I think there are clear parallels between poetry and coding (and more tenuously between literature and software systems). I have two arguments for this opinion. The first is that two pieces of code can accomplish the same task, but one may be judged more elegant or beautiful by another coder. This suggests to me that there is a sense of style in code that is in part subjective.


    The second argument is that i think both code and poetry more directly reflect the thought of the creator than other forms of language. Shelley said that poetry is "imagining that which we know". Writing code is creating language, but it's also imagining what will happen when that code executes. Basically, i'd say that both poetry and code are very close to thought.

  • Re:Ugh, poetry (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @05:37PM (#7757885) Journal
    I've tried to learn the conventions. If it wasn't for clear effort on my part, and the good graces of my professor I'd never have passed freshman english. You know things like "how do you know that." or "how do you know that doesn't mean X" I was never able to get a good answer.

    If you try hard enough, you can interpret a poem however you want. For instance, part of a robert frost(I think) poem goes "good fences make good neighbors." At first it seems that this line is saying that keeping people separated prevents clashes. But it may also be interpreted as meaning a neighbor who maintains his side of the fence well is a good neighbor. How do we know which of these diametrically opposed meanings the poet means? As I recall context was no help. Is this communicating effectively? If you can't decide what a statement means, how can you decide whether it's true or not?

    Now, if the intent of the author doesn't mean anything, what's the point of the poem in the first place? Just make up your own meaning and skip the middle man. As far as I can tell, the whole of poetry and much of literature is like the emperors new clothes, completely without substance, but everyone accepts it because they don't want to look stupid.

    As for your poem there, no, I wouldn't approve that, since it contains no explanation of why the author feels that way. I promise I'm not lazy, I love reading complex philosophial arguments, political theory, and scientific papers(for the other poster, I'm a scientist, not a programmer. But the love of logic is the same.) I just want to be sure that what I read has an actual point to it.

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