On NTSC Video, Blue Blurring, Chroma Subsampling 308
NEOGEOman writes "Something I've been fascinated with for a long time is video signals. On my website I've spent over six years collecting video and other hacks for game consoles. I've recently put together the fourth revision of my video signal primer and it's expanded to six pages now, including strange subjects like chroma subsampling, horizontal colour resolution and rather interesting revelation: your eyes suck at blue."
Suck at blue something horrid. (Score:5, Interesting)
Add some other colours and I'm fine. Curiously, given a red line of text, a green line of text and an off blue line of text, I have to focus differently for all three. (Fully blue is, of course, a complete waste of time
Wow, what a small world... (Score:4, Interesting)
To top it off, the guy who apparently owns the website (gamesx.com) runs (or ran?) a console game rental store in my home town, and used to date my sister!
Wow. (Score:5, Interesting)
Even better reason... (Score:5, Interesting)
Our eyes suck at seeing blue for an even better reason - there are very few blue things that:
From an evolutionary perspective, that's the most important thing. We're get good at seeing green, because many green things are edible, and some things that want to kill us are good at hiding in green areas. So people who were especially good at seeing movement in green areas, and finding edible green things tended to survive, while those who didn't died out.
Re:Obvious Physics (Score:5, Interesting)
It is in fact BLUE at 445nm that the eye is most sensitive to. Blue receptors are the most sensitive.
This "sucking at blue" thing has nothing to do with sensitivity of the receptors, but with the fact that only 2% of the cone receptors are the blue sensitive ones, so you have no resolving capability in the blue part of the visible spectrum.
This is an issue of resolution NOT sensitivity.
Furthermore, I have been researching vision for about 10 years now, and I can tell you that the curve you linked to is totally fucked up. The leftmost curve is not far enough to the left at all. 445nm, which is what your blue cones are sensitive to is far more purple than that stupid graph would have you believe.
You need more reputable sources.
Re:Wow. (Score:2, Interesting)
Fun and depressing (Score:4, Interesting)
After fooling around with video for quite some time now, I have came to the same conclusion that NEOGEOman gets: Macrovision and the entire industry blows. Sure, we all know that the MPAA sucks, but the drop so low that to mess with the video to the point of almost unwatchable is absurd. Here's a small list of things they do to mess up composite video (NTSC):
- variation of the black level (confuses AGCs)
- phase modulation of the color burst (later macrovision versions, like DVD players)
- removal of lines from one field and putting them on the other field.
- bursts in the VBI
And then the industry refuses to move on until they can get some other "protection" on the video feed. Who do they worry about? The "Casual copier," "hobbyist," "hacker," "small scale pirate," and the "professional pirate" (DDWG powerpoint presentation [http://www.ddwg.org]). The cost? Remotely decent video and your right to fair use.
Arg!
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As a side note, if you're interested in chroma sampling and how it can go wrong, check out this page: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_2/dvd-ben
It's an interesting read.
Re:Obvious Physics (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Suck at blue something horrid. (Score:3, Interesting)
Compressed files get a bold red, directories get a slightly dimmer blue. I use a black background on my xterms, and I've found that when I try to read a directory that has a lot of both I'm constantly having to refocus when I go between blue and red areas.
It's annoying enough that on any new machine the first thing I do is change my alias for ls to no colors.
I wonder if this is something that could be considered a genetic defect of some sort, or does everyone react that way to blue/red?
Re:Suck at blue something horrid. (Score:2, Interesting)
It is a common thing to see a deep blue color and not be able to distinguish edges but notice a "glow" around the colors.
Oh great, now I can't find my keys.
Re:Good explanation but... (Score:4, Interesting)
Also, as far as I know no one pumps "NTSC DV" through an svideo cable, unlress they're way off spec. Svideo is analogue, not digital. Or are you using a non-spec definition of "DV"?
Re:Suck at blue something horrid. (Score:4, Interesting)
I do know that in order to detect red from green I see the effect of the surrounding, as in green reflects more light then red does... as in green leds are annoying cause they make the whole room bright... but the red ones do not.
Being color blind, i've studdied this quite a bit. I find that i'm fond of purple text rather then blue dispite the total lack of contrast between the two. I'm the one who made purple british flags in gradeschool didn't understand what I was doing wrong. Stupid unlabled markers. Red text on black is my worst color combo, can't see the contrast usually.
I find i'm better with blues then others, but never the less, i'm familar with this lack of focus esp when the blue is on contrasting background, yellow/green/red. I know on my old amiga... my text colors were hard for others to see, as I picked what I considered to be high contrast in my eyes... blue / black / green. No other bugger could read the blue I picked.
It's due to wavelengths (Score:5, Interesting)
Something I don't understand is that blue light seems to exaggerate my mild astigmatism; I have a Logitech mouse that drives me crazy if I try to focus on the blue taillight. Red lights I can focus on quite clearly and from further away (I am also nearsighted) than any other color lights.
Fun related trivia bit (and forgive me if this is common knowledge):
If you have a decent old 35mm SLR camera with a normal lens (other lenses may have this too) look at the focus ring. There is a marker for where to line up the focus ring in normal conditions, and then there should also be a little red dot a fraction of an inch to the side of it to show where to line up the ring when shooting on infrared film. You have to focus the lens closer for infrared than for visible light, because longer wavelengths refract less.
This is all related the prism rainbow effect, too.
Words (Score:3, Interesting)
The more urban/technical a culture is, the more words for color the average person knows.
Re:Chroma off by one frame? (Score:2, Interesting)