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Free Software In Iran, KDE In Farsi 510

Elektroschock writes "KDE, the leading *nix desktop environment, is translated to Farsi (=Persian). Now native language KDE can be used in Iran as well. Farsi is written from left to right. Full story at Dot KDE. Arash Zeini (KDE Farsi) wrote an intresting article about FLOSS in Iran. His view: "It is not a secret anymore that FLOSS is gaining momentum all over the world. We witness an international move and acceptance of FLOSS in the private as well as in the public sector."" Update: 12/29 16:37 GMT by T : That should read "Farsi is written from right to left." (Thanks to Thomas Zander for pointing that out.)
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Free Software In Iran, KDE In Farsi

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  • Correction (Score:5, Informative)

    by MntlChaos ( 602380 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @03:42AM (#7826214)
    Farsi is written RIGHT to LEFT. not the other way around. fix please
  • what is FLOSS (Score:5, Informative)

    by bhny ( 97647 ) <`bh' `at' `usa.net'> on Monday December 29, 2003 @03:44AM (#7826223) Homepage
    http://www.flora.ca/floss.shtml
  • Re:good... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, 2003 @03:54AM (#7826261)
    > I'm glad to see that the ragheads are finally doing something right.

    Actually the persians are indoeuropeans not semites, which means theye're ethnicly closer to us then say finns or hungarians.
  • farsi in kde (Score:2, Informative)

    by SinaSa ( 709393 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @04:09AM (#7826312) Homepage
    farsi kde has been around for a while. ive been giving it to a lot of relatives to use when their computers go down because of virii, etc and they wish to use farsi. so yeah. this is good though. the majority of farsi software for windows ends up completley screwing up the computer. its usually virii infected and when you remove it the keymap doesnt restore properly leaving you with a well screwed computer.
  • Re:Wrong-o (Score:5, Informative)

    by Moridineas ( 213502 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @04:16AM (#7826344) Journal
    Don't mean to be a pedant--but Farsi is actually an Indo-European language--meaning it's related to Latin, German, Spanish, etc (and Hindi!). You can see this in some cognate words--mother in Farsi is madar, father is pedar, brother baradar, etc.

    Arabic is a semitic language, related to Hebrew. In Arabic these words are very different. (My Arabic is weak but mother can be "umm," father "ab" .. very different).

    Both languages do use the same basic script--the Arabic script, though Farsi does have several additional letters.
  • by 1u3hr ( 530656 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @04:32AM (#7826407)
    When the original algebra texts from Persia were translated, the translator kept the right to Left form of the numbers (little-endian).

    Maybe so, but Roman numbers are also little-endian, and so are Chinese and Thai. I don't think it has anything to do with the way words are written, when speaking we say "one thousand five hundred and twenty one", and write the figures down in the same order -- it's natural to give the most important, biggest, part first.

    So actually Arabic scripts are the exception, as not the origin, if you look at the sequence of writing.

  • Re:Wrong-o (Score:5, Informative)

    by belmolis ( 702863 ) <billposer.alum@mit@edu> on Monday December 29, 2003 @04:43AM (#7826437) Homepage


    Here's the Ethnologue [ethnologue.com] entry for [ethnologue.com]
    Farsi and its position [ethnologue.com]
    in the family tree. The Ethnologue is the best
    single source for reliable information about where
    languages are spoken, by how many people, etc.


  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, 2003 @04:43AM (#7826439)
    Very easy - at least it is with Mandrake Linux and the gdm login. I have it here (English and Chinese in my case). What to do:
    - install all languages you need
    - boot up computer, using graphical login to log in to X (again I use Gnome, I expect similar for KDE)
    - select the language you want to use, and make it your personal default.

    Now when I log in, I get everything in English.
    When my girlfriend logs in, she gets everything in Chinese, including support for Chinese typing (XCIN).

    I don't know if Gnome supports Persian or other right-to-left languages, it should work as well. No reason KDE login can't do this - as it basically just sets the locale. Gnome does the rest.

    Wouter.
  • by jrumney ( 197329 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @04:49AM (#7826453)
    Windows does nothing of the sort.

    Windows 98 requires dual boot for different languages, as different languages require a different install of Windows. Windows 2000 and XP can have different locales per user, which works for most third party software, but you are still stuck with one interface language for Windows itself unless you dual boot it.

    Most X based systems will allow you to set the interface language from the login screen.

  • by jpkunst ( 612360 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @05:22AM (#7826505)

    And as far as saying the biggest figures first not all western languages are like that, eg. in German the numbers are spoken like 55="five and fifty".

    But this doesn't apply when the numbers are larger than 100, because 155 = "hundred five and fifty". (German and Dutch.)

    JP

  • by Knuckles ( 8964 ) <knuckles@@@dantian...org> on Monday December 29, 2003 @05:46AM (#7826547)
    most people

    Hm, most? I have no idea about Chinese and Hindi, which would be pretty important to be able to qualify that. So far it looks good for you :)

    Portuguese: vigesima quarta ("e" should have an acute, can't get it to display)
    Spanish: veiticuatro
    Italian: ventiquattro
    Serbocroatian: dvadeset cetiri ("c" should have a caron)
    Kisuaheli: ishirini na nne

    But:
    German: Vierundzwanzig
  • by pirhana ( 577758 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @05:50AM (#7826554)
    >> If that were entirely true, no-one would get paid in Iran, since everything would be considered the 'product of God', since God is the source of all creation.

    No, according to Islam God is the absolute owner of everything and people who "own" them are persons AUTHORIZED to do transactions and spend accordingly(think of someone who has leased it or hired, but dont have to pay for the lease). The only condition is that all the transactions have to be according to Islamic principles. Making profit is perfectly legitimate as long as its not crossing the limits of Islamic rules. You can charge for any service you offer within that condition

  • by einhverfr ( 238914 ) <chris...travers@@@gmail...com> on Monday December 29, 2003 @08:55AM (#7826922) Homepage Journal
    The sanctions in question date back to the crisis in 1980. They are, to my knowledge, a US-only affair, but hey, in the words of W, "You'r either with us or against us."

    The point is that FOSS contributions ignore national boundaries, and this is not illegal. Currently if I (a US citizen) sell the rights to a book I wrote to a Dutch company, they are not bound by US export law and can sell that book in Cuba and Iran... However, I cannot sell the rights to a Cuban company.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 29, 2003 @09:01AM (#7826937)
    Correction on Spanish: veinticuatro
  • Re:No copyrights? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Elektroschock ( 659467 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @09:08AM (#7826968)
    Whether someone "steals" GPL or closed software makes no difference as you can't make money out of closed source programs.

    By the way: Farsi is not only used by Iranian in Iran but also the native language of exiled Iranians. The second language of Iranians is usually french.
  • by Haeleth ( 414428 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @10:46AM (#7827399) Journal
    From past experience, if it was Gnome described that way then I suspect that the whole discussion would be dominated by irrate KDE fans, screaming about the injustice of the world. For a recent example, see the discussions about UserLinux choosing Gnome as its desktop.

    That was an issue about a major figure in OSS making a decision to completely remove all traces of one of the two major desktop environments from his distribution, to the extent that not even its supporting libraries would be provided. And the article was about people not liking that.

    This is a single throwaway comment in the description of an article on a completely unrelated subject.

    I hope you can see why one of the above situations might be more likely to spark holy wars than the other.

    Let's wait for an article on how LuserLinux (backed by some well-known figure like ESR) is not going to include Gnome or any Gnome libraries before we draw comparisons, okay?

    (BTW, I use Blackbox on the few occasions I boot Linux, so I would hope you don't mistake me for a riled KDE user.)
  • by Daengbo ( 523424 ) <daengbo&gmail,com> on Monday December 29, 2003 @11:45AM (#7827727) Homepage Journal
    The "and" used in America is not often used in America except in the case of X0X, where "and" is a verbal holding place for the zero, so as to avoid confusion. Some people, though, take this custom and extend it, but they shouldn't because "five hundred and fourty five" is first registered as "504 ty five," after which the listener must stop, mentally rewind, and listen again to comprehend.
    So, the original poster was correct that and should not be used in the manner that it was, but also incorrect in asserting that it shouldn't be used at all.
  • by Zibblsnrt ( 125875 ) on Monday December 29, 2003 @04:24PM (#7829871)
    (Disclaimer: I am a historian.)

    Hmm, I admit I don't know much history of the Middle east from about 600AD 'till the renaissance, but I seem to recall that Persia (never called Persia!) spent a lot of time fighting Rome as a nation in decline, and then Rome started to decline.

    Now look what you did, you've gotten me onto one of my longwinded ramble topics.

    One of the problems people have with keeping the kingdoms in this area straight is that they tend to share the same name. Iran is simply the last in a sequence of little-related governments which have occupied the same area for several thousand years.

    Persia as we know it - Iran - and the ancient/classical Persia share little more than their name between the two. The area known classically as the Persian Empire stretched from roughly the Indus River into the middle east, generally as far east as Iraq in Roman times, but during Greek times as far as modern Turkey and Egypt. That original Persian Empire began showing up in the mid-500s BC under Cyrus the Great, overthrowing what was left of the Babylonian kingdoms, a sequence of generally short-lived and ephemeral affairs running back almost, but not quite, into deepest antiquity.

    (Even then, the ruling Achaemenid dynasty (which the kingdom was also named after) were from Media, a different region and culture within the area!)

    Now, this particular Persian empire went down because of a young fellow named Alexander (y'might have heard of him) in the 330s-320s BC, and the whole region was ruled by a sort of pseudo-Greek monarchy for awhile. They were an attempt to impose a Hellenistic (NOT Hellenic, which is the democratic style most people know, but an absolute and militarist monarchy instead) veneer over the old Persian-style monarchy, and didn't do terribly much other than create a period of instability in the area for several generations as Alexander's "successors," and later their own successors, warred and plotted with one another. They were just starting to burn themselves out when the Romans came onto the scene in the west - and someone else in the east.

    When people think of the particular Persian empire which tangled with Rome, they're thinking of the Arsacid monarchy, known at the time as Parthia. The Parthians hail from, well, Parthia, in the Iranian plateau, first started to chew at the Seleucid Empire's fragmented holdings around 250 BC and built up their own empire on top of the Hellenistic ones for the next century, before finally starting to tangle with the Romans in the first century BC. It was this Persian empire, the Parthians, which first started slapping the Romans around at battles such as Carrhae, Marc Antony's embarassing campaign in the east, and so on.

    The Parthians soon tore themselves apart in dynastic squabbling, as well as having the major economic cities of the east torn apart in the great Roman invasions under the emperor Trajan. By 224 BC, a fellow named Ardashir came once again out of the east - in this case, if memory serves me, actually from the region of Persis/Farsis, proceeded to overthrow the Parthian empire, introduced several reforms in economics, military, and government, and became the first ruler of a very powerful, revitalized kingdom known today as the Sassanid or Sassanian Empire. This one is the Persian Empire you're thinking of, and fought a number of embarassingly successful campaigns against Rome, cumulating in the disaster of 260 when Shapur I actually captured the Emperor Valerian in battle. This empire continued along, doing very well for itself and being one of the great powers of the world, until the great Islamic wars of expansion blew out of Arabia. Pretty much nobody could stand against these guys, and the Sassanids were no exception, their last gasp being the Battle of Nehawand in 642 AD where their last great army was destroyed.

    It's only by this date that an actual Islamic Persia exists, but it's still just the latest in a long string of Persias. The one now called Iran

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