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MP3 Winners and Losers for 2003 408

An anonymous reader writes "Richard Menta over at MP3newswire.net just posted his annual winners and losers list in digital music for last year. The big winner is Apple for dominating MP3 portable player sales and the dramatic success of its iTunes service. Napster savior Roxio and the small independent record labels also made the winners list. The losers list include SonicBlue and MP3.com. Interestingly, Ogg Vorbis made the losers list, not because of the codec per se, but because iTunes has both catapulted the AAC format to number two and stimulated Microsoft to pour more of its efforts ($$$) into WMA and the iTunes clones, leaving little room left for the open source alternative. The 2001 and 2002 winners list are worth a look too and each have links to that year's losers list."
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MP3 Winners and Losers for 2003

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  • by Aens ( 737179 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @07:59PM (#7864223) Journal
    I just wanted to say that the iTunes Music Store has reinvented how I view music.

    Now when I want a piece of music, I have it, instantly. And with my iPod, I can listen to it wherever I go, with no worries!

    Bravo Apple, for the Invention of the Year [time.com]!
  • True to a point... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tempest303 ( 259600 ) <.jensknutson. .at. .yahoo.com.> on Friday January 02, 2004 @07:59PM (#7864225) Homepage
    One thing to keep in mind, though, is that one of the original arguments against Vorbis adoption was "But all the MP3 hardware out there uses a dedicated MP3 decoder chip, so they can't just 'upgrade the firmware' to support Vorbis", along with countless other arguments that deal with the fact that in any given project, 1 codec is easier to deal with than many.

    Well, because we now have MP3, AAC, and WMA, all becoming popular, that means that instead of hardcoded support for 1 format, any company that's serious about making music software or hardware is probably going to want to support a plugin style architecture, which means that supporting a 4th, 5th, 6th, etc, format becomes much easier, so things like FLAC and Vorbis have one more barrier to entry removed from their paths.
  • NAPSTER? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by larry bagina ( 561269 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:01PM (#7864242) Journal
    I don't know how they can be considered a winner. Quite frankly, the only think they have going for them is their logo. Everybody and his uncle is setting up a store to sell WMA downloads, and Steve Jobs has stated that profits are almost non-existant.

  • by Krapangor ( 533950 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:02PM (#7864248) Homepage
    DRM is coming.
    Yes, we'll all start to whine and complain but there is no way to stop it.
    Without DRM to whole business chain of the entertainment industry is fucked. So they'll enforce it.

    With this background fact, you won't wonder that OGG was turned down. The encryption shemes will make sure that the song only play on certificated players. However a player which supports formats which can be used to illegal copies will never get such a certification. So the manufacturers will avoid these formats at all cost.

    When you watch this development the original movitivation of the OGG development team seems to very naive and economically clueless. While there might be some niche applications for OGG, it will be useless for the downtrodden masses. Basically the development of OGG has merely an academic value.

  • by Lshmael ( 603746 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:04PM (#7864266) Homepage
    Yes, but if no online music stores are using Ogg Vorbis, it is unlikely that consumer demand will increase. As a result, most of the music player companies will not have the impetus to make a Vorbis plugin, hindering it in the "Codec Wars."
  • A Missing Loser? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by illuminata ( 668963 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:05PM (#7864269) Journal
    How come there was no mention of Emusic on the loser list? They switched to a much more restrictive user agreement and had a mass exodus of their subscribers.
  • by SlashdotCEO ( 737177 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:05PM (#7864272)
    Apple got the DRM right:

    iTunes lets you rip to AAC, MP3, WAV, or AIFF. iTMS purchases are limited to a protected version of AAC, but they can be freely burned to CD, after which there's no protection anymore. Other music players should be able to add the ability to play non-protected AAC files fairly easily. The protections on purchased songs really just keep you from putting them on P2P networks, web sites, or emailing them to other people. The latter can be gotten around if they also have iTunes AND you trust them with your authorization password.
  • by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear&pacbell,net> on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:08PM (#7864291) Homepage
    For choosing WMA, for endorsing WMV.

    Why?

    Because Microsoft isn't a team player. There is no real technical benefit to WMA or WMV: All the 'next gen' codecs are better (ogg, wma, aac) than mp3, so the only real advantage to WMA is secondary.

    Do you trust Microsoft? I don't. By using WMA, you give them more power and more clout, and like any big organization with the power to dictate international and national standards... I don't trust them. Unless of course you *like* paying taxes. Instead of money, though, Microsoft collects in marketshare and power.

    Anyway, I hope you like living in a Microsoft future... I'm trying to avoid that, myself.
  • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:08PM (#7864292)
    Because on my box I've got vorbis files, but there seems to be a distinct lack of ACC and WMA files.

    Ah, I get it. You mean little room left in the commercial, RIAA endorsed online music store field.

    What has that got to do with an open source solution? Is there "no room" for Linux because of all the money Apple and MS are pouring into their operating systems?

    Open Source means will continue to serve very well for Open Source ends.

    KFG

  • by P-Nuts ( 592605 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:09PM (#7864299)
    About the only reason to use MP3 anymore is if you're married to Linux/MacOS.

    Huh? If you're married to Linux, you probably go the whole open-source, patent-free hog and go with OGG. And if you're married to MacOS you probably like iTMS and AAC.

  • by fastidious edward ( 728351 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:12PM (#7864317)
    From the article:

    The big winner is Apple for dominating MP3 portable player sales and the dramatic success of its iTunes service.

    The dramatic success is Apple using its iTunes service to promote its iPod. iTunes has made a miniscule amount, purely a leader for the iPod. The iPod was here before iTunes, iTunes was envisaged as a way to make iPods more successful. iTunes was as much as a breakthrough on the music distribution scene as MP3 players were on the musical device scene were, but iPod deserves the praise, if iTunes weren't here another would have filled the gap, iPod and other MP3 players created the inertia and it is them that should get the praise.
  • by vudufixit ( 581911 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:13PM (#7864327)
    The consumer - we get sued, screwed, and DRM'd out of our right to enjoy the music we purchase the way we want to.
  • by Zigg ( 64962 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:27PM (#7864412)

    About the only reason to use MP3 anymore is if you're married to Linux/MacOS.

    No, the only reason to use WMA is if you're married to Windows. You won't get much use out of it outside that little circle...

  • Oh come off it :P (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear&pacbell,net> on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:32PM (#7864438) Homepage
    I'm being facetious but it's true!

    Any and all Linux users can use the full suite of Apple software under Mac OS X; all you need is a Mac. Sure, that forces you to run OS X, but at least you can run OS X under Linux through MacOnLinux.

    And the BSD folk will have to settle for OS X itself, which is a flavor of BSD...

    The desktop software produced by Apple isn't free, as in beer, or free, as in liberty, but free as in concession: You give and they give, and both win.

    Or you can run Windows under VMWare...

    Apple's goal is not OS equality (which is why they don't offer their software on all OSes, as that requires tremendous QA resources) or OS alternatives... they only care about making money, and making happy customers. That's it.

    If you want to be an Apple customer, you need Apple product. That means hardware+software, or Windows+iTunes. They aren't a charity, any more than you are.
  • by hackstraw ( 262471 ) * on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:33PM (#7864445)
    if no online music stores are using Ogg Vorbis...

    This has nothing to do with the popularity of mp3. mp3, like everything else, is more popular simply because it is more popular. It came out 1st, has hardware decoders, and people know what you mean when you say mp3 (a free/cheap music format for my computer, hardware player, etc). People just dont know or care if ogg is better. Also, mp3's were around for _years_ before there were online stores for them.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:38PM (#7864470)
    > I recently started ripping everything in either lossless WMA (archives) or 160 WMA (for portable player)

    so, just because YOU used it to rip your music, it has won?

    there are many open source lossless compression schemes (FLAC, ape, etc.) that not only compress better, they also work on multiple platforms

    also, at pretty much any bitrate, vorbis wipes the floor with wma.

    the chance of wma being used for the next generation video is slim compared to others.
  • by AstroDrabb ( 534369 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @08:59PM (#7864582)
    Exactly. That is why there are many players that support OGG Vorbis now. Neuros, Rio, IRiver and a buch of others [xiph.org]. I personally do not want to be locked into a proprietary format like wma or Apple's AAC. And I would never buy an iPod that limitis what I can do with music I buy. I personally don't understand the Apple Fan Boy mentality. On one hand they cheer Open Source and screem how Apple is now BSD on the inside. Though they over look all of the proprietary Apple formats that are attempts to lock comsumers into Apple. Quicktime, Apple's AAC, their restrictive iPod and iTunes, and just about every product they put out. I personally am sick of companies trying to control what I can do with a product I purchase to further their profits. I will stick to buying a CD and legally ripping it to OGG and playing it on a portable player like the Neuros [neurosaudio.com] that supports it. Read this quickly, because soon Apple Fan Boys will be along and wet their pants and mod this as a troll.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 02, 2004 @09:02PM (#7864595)
    Apple got the DRM right:

    Sure, if all you care about is the iPod and iTunes. Good luck playing those compressed files on any non-apple product.

    You have to manually go through the process of burning all your music to CDs and then ripping it back if you want to listen to it on something else. I'd consider that VERY restrictive DRM.

    Also by the way this is only partly to do with AAC. Anyone can license AAC (for $$$, certainly more than Apple pays but that's not the point). It doesn't matter what they're compressed with or who may or may not support the codec. The files are encrypted and that's why only Apple's products can decode them.

    Would you buy CDs that only play on Philips CD players? Of course not. People will see the light as more competing audio products enter the fold, and ITMS will die because people won't want to be limited to using the files (or burning CDs) on Apple's equipment only.
  • by InfiniteWisdom ( 530090 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @09:03PM (#7864598) Homepage
    To be honest, it is one of the stupidest names I have ever heard. I'd feel embarassed about telling someone about my "Ogg Vorbis" collection.
  • I ain't buyin (Score:3, Insightful)

    by WildBeast ( 189336 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @09:08PM (#7864626) Journal
    Why would I buy it for? I don't think it's worth buying an expensive MP3 player in order to listen to crappy songs. One way or another, I refuse to encourage the RIAA.
  • by Talez ( 468021 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @09:13PM (#7864644)
    I don't agree. The problem, from my perspective, is that Vorbis was the answer to a question that nobody asked. They released the codec and the general public went "so?".

    IMHO, the only reason why AAC and WMA are gaining in popularity is that there are end-to-end solutions out there promoting these formats. Once people realise the superiority of these next-gen formats over MP3, they will probably start migrating over in droves.

    Although, this is going to cause some nasty format wars. iTunes can't play WMA easily and WMP can't play AAC easily meaning that you're going to be locked in to your player unless you're using something like Winamp.

    At any rate, its my opinion that Vorbis is going to hell in a handbasket quickly. Nobody (bar FOSS supporters) out there in the real world gives a shit whether "it's free" or "it's royalty free" because they already have a perfectly good defacto standard and the other newer standards out there are perfectly positioned to replace them.
  • by Speed Racer ( 9074 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @09:44PM (#7864770)

    It will be a beautiful day when the argument isn't whether or not to install Windows or Linux, but rather, which version of Linux.

    I would disagree with you for practical and philosophical reasons.

    From a practical standpoint, Linux doesn't support ACPI very well, especially on laptops. Windows XP has elevated power management to a very useful place and will remain on my laptop, however grudgingly, until ACPI is truly supported under Linux.

    From a philosophical standpoint, I don't want Windows to go away for the same reason that I don't want Linux or Apple to go away. Competition is good. Choice is good. Once the Windows hegemony is broken there's no real harm to Microsoft staying around competing in the marketplace based on merit not might. In fact, I believe that would be the healthiest situation we could hope for. Imagine the richest company in the world dedicating their R&D budget to actually creating the best OS possible in order to compete with Linux, Apple or any other OS out there.

  • by pc486 ( 86611 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @09:56PM (#7864823) Homepage
    I think that a Vorbis only player would be great, but we would need better reasons to do that.

    Primarily, no expensive license issues.

    If you have software that transcodes from MP3/WMA/Whatever, you'll need a license to decode these anyways so the expensive license issues are still there.

    Vorbis-decoding can be done using only integers (FLAC too?), which must save some hardware costs.

    Again, while Vorbis and FLAC can be decoded with intergers only, so can MP3 (http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/).

    So it wounldn't be much cheeper (because licensing costs still exsist) to make a Vorbis only player compared to a MP3+WMA+AAC+whatever player. In fact, it probably would be more expensive to make a Vorbis player because there are not many off-the-shelf parts or ready-made software out there, which ends up with higher development costs.

    Maybe a better solution would be to have the open source/hardware community come up with an open Vorbis player with economy on the mind. Then you can pitch that all the R&D has been done for them so that that company X simply has to build and package the device, kinda like Linux distrobutions are today.
  • by be-fan ( 61476 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @09:56PM (#7864824)
    IMO, the Neuros is much better then the iPod. Is cheaper and the battery replacement is from $0 - $12 depending on if it is in warranty or not, which is much cheaper then Apple's $50 or so.
    ---------
    It's also very large. My iPod slips discretely into my pocket, while the Nomad Zen (which is smaller than the Neuros by a good bit) makes an uncomfortable bulge. The Rio Karma is similarly unpocketable, because it is wider and thicker than the iPod. And I refuse to wear cargo pants!

    As for price, the iPod is well worth it. When I bougt my iPod, the only other choice was really the Nomad Zen, and it was $50 less for 5 more GB. Not really a big enough savings to outweigh the build-quality and size of the iPod in my opinion. And even if you have to replace your battery every 18 months (the vast majority of people don't have to do so, however) that's a cost of about $33 a year. Hardly a burdensome expense for a several-hundred-dollar device.
  • by Xyde ( 415798 ) <slashdot.purrrr@net> on Friday January 02, 2004 @10:05PM (#7864861)
    That's the most stupid idea I've ever heard.

    The MP3/AAC licensing costs are miniscule compared to the cost of the rest of the components. It's probably in the range of 50c - $1 per device, or less.The cost of the RAM/HD is 100x any licensing costs.

    The file transfers would be disgustingly slow because of the overhead required to transcode every file to the machine. And it would need proprietary software to put music on it (to do the transcoding) which is one of the few complaints people have about the iPod.

    Vorbis is nice, but it is inferior, sound quality wise to WMA Pro, AAC, and MusePack [ciara.us], and it's never going to be popular (in a marketshare sense). I know it hurts to hear it, but it's true.

  • by tuffy ( 10202 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @10:39PM (#7865021) Homepage Journal
    And nothing says "lossy audio" quite like:

    "Motion Picture Experts Group Audio Layer 3"

    It just rolls right off the tongue...

  • by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear&pacbell,net> on Friday January 02, 2004 @10:46PM (#7865050) Homepage
    I dunno, I kinda think the Neuros is better than an iPod in the sense that a Chevy Cavalier is better than a Volvo S60.

    In that if you can't afford the build, design, usability, and style, then saving some money is probably worth it. You can get more features at less price!
  • by AstroDrabb ( 534369 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @11:25PM (#7865224)
    Perhaps 1,000 people have significantly large enough Vorbis music collections to warrant an Ogg compatible player.
    Do you have the link to where you got those stats? I guess all these [xiph.org] device makers supported OGG for only 1,000 people. How many portable devices support Apple's DRM'ed AAC format again? Just incase I am not happy with an iPod, it is good to know I have choice in the market place. We all know how much Apple supports consumer choice.
    The openess of free software
    Yes because Sorensen is so open, Apple's DRM'ed AAC is so open or OS X is so open...
    with the polish of proprietary excellence.
    Do you work for Apple? That is the biggest piece of marketing BS I have ever heard. Proprietary != excellence. As a developer I have worked with and deployed tons of proprietary software, some costing in excess of 25 Million that were not "polished proprietary excellence". IMO, OS X is not "polished proprietary excellence" either.
  • DVD Sales? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by kwshaw ( 721269 ) on Friday January 02, 2004 @11:26PM (#7865226)
    Excuse me, but how does DVD sales going up correlate with "winning" because of mp3s? Isn't it true that every year more and more people own DVD players, in the home, on their computer. So lets see, "Oh, DVD is a winner cause the sales went up. MP3 is the cause of that!" What kind of conclusion is that? If more people own DVD players compared to last year, naturally DVD sales are going to go up as well.
  • by dvdeug ( 5033 ) <dvdeug@e[ ]l.ro ['mai' in gap]> on Saturday January 03, 2004 @01:51AM (#7865710)
    It requires an above-average amount of foolish short-sightedness for a person to be willing to buy in a lossy format,

    There's no such thing as a non-lossy digital encoding of analog data. You have to start throwing away data that comes below a certain threshold. CDs are just a lossy format which isn't well tuned to what humans actually hear, so there's a lot of room to throw away data.

    In any case, people bought seriously lossy formats for the first 90 years of music, and they still buy a lossy format for video. (Not only does DVDs use MPEG4 and sample at a resolution way below film, it stores data at interlaced TV rates instead of what was actually filmed.)
  • DVD lossiness (Score:2, Insightful)

    by waaka! ( 681130 ) on Saturday January 03, 2004 @03:14AM (#7865922)
    True, DVD is lossy, but at least get the facts straight: DVD uses MPEG-2, not MPEG-4, and its resolution does make sense in the overall scheme of things, since it matches that of its usual destination, a TV. Also, DVDs can encode movies using progressively-scanned frames and simply mark the video stream to be telecined into the interlaced output that most TVs need.
  • by waaka! ( 681130 ) on Saturday January 03, 2004 @03:18AM (#7865935)

    ...the spread of the bars on the graph represents the uncertainty of the results, so (even according to those who performed the test and discussed it on HydrogenAudio) it's only fair to declare that one codec is conclusively worse than another when its entire spread lies below another codec's spread. Therefore, the only thing that's for sure is that MP3 is worse than the others. I don't know which samples favor which codecs, but a different set of test samples could have yielded slightly different orderings of the non-MP3 codecs.

    That being said, market share is far more of an issue than sound quality.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 03, 2004 @05:33AM (#7866276)
    A few comments on the winners:

    >3. Archos
    >Continues to own the MPEG 4 video portable
    >business with the release of the excellent
    >Archos AV320.

    Everything I've read/seen/used leads me to believe that the device has an an awful UI. Featurewise it is excellent, but that doesn't necessarily make it an excellent product. Plus, it's %$@% expensive, even for what it is.

    >A peek at the future where services like Napster
    >and iTunes may soon sell digital files of
    >individual TV episodes for $0.50 each

    Right, except that iTunes will use some sort of apple-specific (a la ACC) format that won't work on Archos' players, and since you've just told us that iTunes is going to kill everyting in it's path, what's the point?

    >7. Roxio
    >A healthy promotional campaign along with the
    >name recognition has propelled the new service
    >to a clear number two to iTunes in the downloads-
    >for-sale game.

    In what universe is it reasonable to even begin to figure out a number two in this space? It's in its infancy right now, and the landscape three or six months from now probably won't look much like the landscape today. That's even assuming that we ignore the fact that *all* of these services currently lose tremendous amounts of money for their owners, and many will probably soon cease to exist. Napster's new portable player has zero traction right now, and they're still looking down the barrel of the iTunes-AAC-proprietary go-to-hell gun.

    A few comments on the losers:

    >3. WMA Format
    >Even though its use was way behind that of the
    >MP3 format, Microsoft's WMA was still a clear
    >number 2 - until iTunes came along. Within the
    >first few weeks WMA went from place to show,
    >supplanted as Apple sold millions of tunes in
    >their proprietary version of the competing AAC
    >format.
    (...)
    >The codec wars have started.
    No they haven't. There is no codec war. There is an Apple vs. Everything Else , or an AAC vs. Everything Else war. Continued dominance of the iPod is the *only* leverage that Apple has for AAC. I've noticed that absolutely nowhere in this list have any of the new worthy iPod competitors even been mentioned (except briefly in passing) and the author simply assumes the continued massive dominance of iPod, backed up by very little evidence. Also, he completely ignores the flash-based player segment of the market, which is the gigantic monster moneymaker - not HD players.
    Don't get me wrong - iPod will still dominate the HD space for a while, but not much longer. There are too many cheaper, better alternatives out there already. Has it not occured to the author that Apple is making the classic Apple mistakes with the iPod?

    >6. Ogg Vorbis
    >Before iTunes there was only one major digital
    >music format - MP3. WMA was a very distant
    >second and Ogg Vorbis looked to parlay its open
    >source origins into a wide open market and
    >become a heavily utilized commercial and non-
    >commercial codec

    ACC, ACC, ACC! The idea of Ogg Vorbis DRM is almost an oxymoron, and therefore ogg's suitability as a medium for online music sales was always considered to be zero for anybody who had even the faintest idea what they were talking about. Ogg Vorbis is currently a niche codec, but it fills its niche nicely (and will be even better if it can become less of a CPU hog and therefore more suitable to portable devices.)

    I'd also like to point out that this guy rambles, as have many others, about the horrible "licensing fees" for mp3 and wma, with respect to portable players. I don't even know where to begin with that statement, other than to say that it's a well-crafted bit of FUD (yeah, go ahead, flame away)
    The truth of the matter is that these licenses barely impact the bottom line on devices costing as much as HD players. They are more of an issue with flash-based players, but this author aparently is not aware
  • by stuartkahler ( 569400 ) on Saturday January 03, 2004 @06:28AM (#7866369)
    You seem to have a definition of 'lossy' that is heavily biased against digital formats, and uninformed. Any analog copy loses signal quality from the original sampling. Film doesn't count individual photons, and audio recordings always drop fidelity above a certain frequency. I've yet to see someone make an atom by atom copy of film, audio tape, or grooved record, thus losing information present in the original. Anyone who has ever been to an unamplified concert knows that there is no recording that will sound as good as hearing the instruments live. No photo will ever capture the color and detail of seeing the object live (extreme examples of optical manipulation notwithstanding). Any time there is a conversion, there will be loss.

    The term 'lossy', in regard to information storage, refers to any format that intentionally discards existing data in a particular manner in order to fit into the medium more easily. Non-lossy digital formats would include tiff (I think), rle and bmp (both picture formats), or shn and wav (audio formats). You can convert between non-lossy formats, and get back identical data each time. Just because something is digital doesn't mean it's 'lossy'. Jpg, mpg and mp3 are all lossy because the codecs intentionally fudge data in order to make it fit into a smaller data file. When they're doing a good job, you lose less information than you would when making an analog copy. CDs aren't 'lossy'. They simply have a dynamic range and sampling rate that is narrower than the best analog recording mediums. In the analog world, you can do a lot worse than CD audio.

    By your argument, VHS or Betamax would be a better quality than the digital projector systems that George Lucas and others are trying to get theaters to adopt. Or that a 6 megapixel camera is worse image quality than an SLR with bargain basement film and crappy lens.
  • by OzJimbob ( 129746 ) on Saturday January 03, 2004 @08:12AM (#7866492) Homepage
    I'm just a bit suprised to hear people actually have entire music collections in WMA format. A search of my Windows partition (no point looking for them in Linux) has discovered... three, all of which appear to be the "sample" files that come with Windows XP! I can't remember ever even seeing them on any legal indie music sites like BeSonic [besonic.com], or in peoples collections in any filesharing programs. I don't think I've ever listened to a WMA net radio station - all the good stuff seems to be on streaming mp3 and ogg. Where, in all honesty, are you people getting them from? I guess I'm out of the loop.

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