Rochester Signs Napster Deal, Hosts P2P Panel 123
extra88 writes "Following in Penn State's footsteps, the University of Rochester has struck a deal to provide access to Napster's premium service for dormitory residents. From the press release: 'In addition, Napster and the University's prestigious Eastman School of Music will be developing ways in which Napster can begin to provide original content from Eastman students and faculty to service members across the entire Napster network.' What does this mean? Perhaps not coincidentally, the university is also hosting a panel discussion about P2P file sharing on Feb. 16. Cary Sherman from the RIAA, university administrators and others will be on the panel and there is to be a live audio stream of the event."
uh (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:uh (Score:1)
First off, You are downloading a digital file, It's not the same as going to the store and purchasing a CD in a case and getting something physical out of it.
Any person would much rather go to the store, probably get a better price, and get a hard copy of it. Not some proprietary music format that you'll loose the next week because your sibling
Re:uh (Score:2)
Um, I think you missed the boat on that one - iTunes has sold more than 30 million songs.
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College students are cheap. They are going to download free music off the net one way or another. For better or worse, it's been a fact since the day mp3 and broadband both became available. ftp, irc, usenet, napster, it doesn't matter.
BUT.. The university will say "use this! it's free!" and the students will, instead of using Kazaa or DC or whatever else. New students come in every year and don't know square 1 about computers, but they see
Re:uh (Score:1)
>> money on this
Have you looked at the big picture? Napster servers for these schools are located on campus and owned by Napster. When accessing the Napster service, students are not pulling songs over the net, they're pulling them from a local server saving oodles of bandwidth.
Re:uh (Score:1)
500,000 songs, 4MB a song, that's... 2TB of storage? Are you sure that they're kept on a local server? I admit I haven't done my homework on this, but that sounds a little ridiculous to me.
Not to mention the fact that newly released (or licensed) songs will have to be downlo
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The school has two T1 lines. They've had two T1 lines for ages, and haven't ever even thought about getting a third.
Last I heard, UR has 2 oc-3 connections now and the backup line is a t3 that isn't on normally. So,that opens things up a bit for this whole idea of the Napster servers being on-site and downloading new content (maybe at like 6-8am when the fewest students are using their computers?). If there are 10 albums added every week, 15 songs per album, 4MB per song, that's still only 600MB/wk.
Re:uh (Score:1)
>> storage? Are you sure that they're kept on a
>> local server? I
2TB isn't a huge number anymore for a server, my home gaming machine has 1TB. Remember these are the servers previously owned by MP3.com
Regardless of how many T1 lines, the school also likely pays for traffic on those lines, additionl traffic = additional bandwidth costs.
Also PenState has their own server on campus, for those users at the school they can connect to Napster and
Re:uh (Score:1)
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The music industry is very good at taxing the citizens. They have taxes on blank CDs, hard drives (in Canada and Europe), and now in Internet streaming. I would suggest that people boycott solely on this tactic. This is should've been dealt with under the RICO statutes. Not to mention all the extra stuff you have to pay for in the electronics and computer goods you buy (DRM chips, sign
Ummmm... (Score:2)
It seems that there a lot of unelected people out there who have decided that they will decide who we will be giving our money to. Buy a PC, some of your money will go to Microsoft, attend a uni, some of that will go to the RIAA members.
Re:uh (Score:1)
I like the idea of letting people from Eastman share their music, I would just like to be able to use a service that I am paying for.
Political and practical... (Score:5, Interesting)
I reckon this is probably a move on two fronts though - first it prevents the College being sued because it's officially above-board. Second, it establishes the college as a "happening" place - it's not just teaching string quartet music, it's working with new media in new ways. All very attractive to potential students...
Simon
A Hope Beyond a Hope (Score:5, Insightful)
And yet they wonder why they have such a piracy epidemic on their hands? Someone really needs to say/do something at the event to make a spectacle of the RIAA and how ridiculous what they're saying and doing is.
Re:A Hope Beyond a Hope (Score:1)
Cool (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cool (Score:5, Funny)
(Sorry for the tasteless joke, but c'mon... it was too good!)
RIAA (Score:1)
Doesn't mean it's the most popular. (Score:2)
Re:Doesn't mean it's the most popular. (Score:2)
Re:Doesn't mean it's the most popular. (Score:2)
iTunes 4 LAN music sharing ability basically puts all local music in one pot, for listening if not burning... and it's free. Apparently this feature is extremely popular on college campuses right now.
Ah, I wish I was still in college, as I'd love to been able to peruse my classmate's music libraries. At the very least it would have made it way easier to differentiate between the cute girls, and the cute girls with really good taste in music.
~jeff
Re:Doesn't mean it's the most popular. (Score:1)
i currently go to penn state, and, though many people do use iTunes, less and less have been using it as of late, as evidenced by the number of shared libraries in iTunes. I believe this is due to the fact that napster provides free streaming music, which can only be listened at your computer. otherwise songs are $.99 per download (in .WMA format! YUCK!).
Also, as a mac user on campus, i am still technically paying for the use of napster, despite the fact that i have no way of using it at all. This t
I wonder (Score:3, Interesting)
You think they'll have to pay CARP?
Re:I wonder (Score:1)
You think they'll have to pay CARP?
They should [copyright.gov], at least the Business Establishment fee. It would be legally interesting if they didn't...
uneccessary (Score:5, Insightful)
What does Napster have to do with P2P? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, I know the answer: "Because that is what the DRM peddlers wanted them to think, which is why they bought the trademark. But at universities and especially here on Slashdot I think we can expect a little more.
What the schools are doing when they sign deals with the new Napster is to drive their students into the acceptance of proprietary, Windows only, closed, locked, DMCA protected file formats that you better not even think about trying to port to your operating system of choice. What they are doing is welcoming into their campuses the future where the devices we use to communicate are not tools tools for freedom, but chains designed to control us. It is the equivalent of putting out a press release that all the dorms have now installed the new "Trusted door" technology, which will only let students out of their dorms when they have a valid reason to do it (I mean, you can't trust students - we know that - so why not have trusted doors instead???)
Stop lauding this. Stop cheering it on. Fight it at every turn. Do not sign up. Do not give them your money. Shout as loudly as you can, at anyone involved, that you will start spending money on music again when it is sold to you, rather then given in some fucked up form of leasing where you own the computer, the law prevents you from figuring out how it works.
Linux is dead in the DRM future. The open web is dead in the DRM future. Everything this site celebrates has no chance of survival when the Internet has become a centralized entity of information control. We have to draw the line HERE because we are the only ones who can. Every time we mention these serives in a positive light we are sowing the seeds of our destruction.
I'll stop now. ARGGG.
Re:What does Napster have to do with P2P? (Score:1)
The fee will be added to your tuition. You don't really get a say in this.
I don't think anyone would notice. If you see what people really want [google.com], you will undertand why a $40 billion dollar industry controls a $400 billion one.
Re:What does Napster have to do with P2P? (Score:2)
The parents who actually pay the tuition bills might think that Trusted Door Technology is a great idea: it guarantees that their child isn't getting into trouble, with no interacton on their part. (doesn't
Re:What does Napster have to do with P2P? (Score:1, Flamebait)
Duh. It, like iTunes, BuyMusic, etc., is a legal service which is trying to supplant the illegal distribution of music via P2P protocols. It, like iTunes, BuyMusic, etc., does not use P2P protocols in its service. We all know this, you are not +1 Informative.
I don't see anyone here "lauding" or "cheering this on." I certainly don't think these Napster deals at universities are a good idea.
Re:What does Napster have to do with P2P? (Score:2)
If you haven't seen anybody here lauding and cheering on iTMS you have not been reading a lot comments.
Re:What does Napster have to do with P2P? (Score:2)
Amen,,Brother!! (Score:1)
Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:3)
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2)
<a href="http://www.rit.edu/network/rrd/pub/inet.htm
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2)
It looks like I was wrong anyway, sorry AC. Gee, silly me for thinking such a thing would be documented somewhere! I still haven't found any mention of rate limiting but I did find an article the campus newspaper from August 2003 saying there was a per-student/per-week outbound cap.
ResNet limits student use of uploading bandwidth [campustimes.org] (reg. required)
"ResNet is setting its
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:1)
Case in point, when I was home on break, I would ssh into my machine to use it instead of the 6 year old win98 machine my parents have. If I connected directly to my machine, the connection was capped. If I first connected to either the mail or
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2)
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Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:3, Informative)
Don't worry, UofR still doesn't have email aliases (the address you get is the address you get), single sign-on (like RIT's DCE), or university web servers that are actually useful to students doing anything beyond static HTML.
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:1)
Back in the early 90's when I attended UR, one of the nice things was that they had a very good computing resource/student ratio. They didn't have the best or most equipment, but I pretty quickly got access to pretty much anything and everything I wanted. Email aliases or anythin
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2)
Maybe you're the reason the Unix group is so paranooid
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:1)
That's the first move I made. I cozied up to the Unix group, and eventually became the student TA. It was definately a very different group back then though. But then again, the whole Internet was different back in those days. I remember lobbying them to switch Uhura to use to DNS instead of /etc/hosts.
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:1)
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Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:1)
Well you can probably blame me for that. Back in '92 or so, the UCC (they're called something else now, ACS maybe?) were starting to lock down what users could do on the main campus servers. Since I was the CIF SysAdmin at the time, I worked a deal to get them to give us their just decommissioned Sun 3/260 in exchange for setting up accounts for the general student population to 'fool around' outside of their servers. They accepted, and after that point when an
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2)
(and technically, UofR is to the northeast)
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2)
Network Graphs [rit.edu] -- WTF, they just changed from MRTG to RRD-- like this week?
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:2)
Re:Didn't think they beat us... (Score:1)
Won't make a dent in Kazaa Usage (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Won't make a dent in Kazaa Usage (Score:2)
No Need -- they just friggin' leech at 100MB/sec all day long
Still $0.99 a Song for Them (Score:5, Informative)
They will get access to the Streams (whoop dee doo), which are the equivalent of radio, or shoutcast. It does also say though that they can download locally an unlimitted amount of songs though, so maybe they just can't burn or transfer them, but there are ways around that.
Re:Still $0.99 a Song for Them (Score:1)
>>though, so maybe they just can't burn or
>>transfer them, but there are ways around that.
Correct, they can download an unlimited number of tracks but can't burn or transfer those tracks, these are identical to the songs that are paid for in terms of quality because they are the same files.
What's the deal with Napster? (Score:5, Insightful)
I ask for personally selfish reasons. I'm a graduate student at U of R (not Eastman). I don't live in the dorms, but I do have friends who do.
I'm happy that I'll probably see benefit from this, but I'm not sure it's a good expenditure of University funds.
On the other hand, it is a good idea for a community to pull together and bargain collectively with the music industry. That's really the only way to reach a reasonably fair deal.
Re:What's the deal with Napster? (Score:2)
Differs, but probably streaming only (Score:2)
Re:What's the deal with Napster? (Score:1)
Honestly, i'm pretty offended by having to pay for this. Same as having to pay for Windows and Office because my college had a site license. They don't give away free textbooks, and textbooks can cost as much or more than those, so let the people who want this crap pay for it.
At least Windows/Office can be construed to have so
Re:What's the deal with Napster? (Score:1)
Meanwhile at Yale,... (Score:2, Funny)
I smell a big fat commie-err-Yalie plot.
Re:Meanwhile, at $ELITIST_COLLEGE (Score:1)
Not something I'd want to associate myself with, given the prophecy of doom another one of these ventures [halliburton.com]
shows with their photo of them "Leading the Way to Darwin". Fine, I'll be glad to welcome their demise...
What it means? (Score:4, Funny)
The second perspective is that Napster 2 doesn't have anywhere near the negotiationing clout of Apple. I wonder how limited the song base is and whether or not the labels get control over what tracks are on Napster 2, because I'm SURE they weren't able to negotiate themselves out of that one. Is this simply labels gaining more control over what people listen to?
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It would benefit the students if... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone have experience with this? Is spreading your own unique creations really worth it over p2p networks? I would doubt that it is, but again, I wouldn't know..
Re:It would benefit the students if... (Score:1)
One technique which I used to get alot of music was to search for for songs that I liked and browse the libraries of users that had it. As a result I downloaded alot of music I had never heard of and which
PSU Napster (Score:3, Insightful)
No IM file transfers. No incoming ssh connections. No Network games. No Kazaa. etc.
PSU signed a deal with napster because one of the board members is on the RIAA commision. There is also some administrative link to Napster.
The big problem is that what they've put in place basically says "We don't trust you. At all."
We've had bandwidth restrictions for two years (1.5G up/ 1.5G down)
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Re:PSU Napster (Score:1)
Are your parents or anyone you know alums? Write a nasty letter the next time they come asking for donations, explaining that you don't appreciate taxation w/o representation. Sometimes stepping on their air hose has a way of getting peoples attention.
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Interesting Business Model (Score:1)
Re:Interesting Business Model (Score:1)
I don't download illegal music (not anymore; and not for legal reasons. Most music out there is pretty crappy now). Since I don't download music, I sure as hell don't think I s
Re:Interesting Business Model (Score:1)
Rental Music is lame (Score:2)
Moreover, giving students access to high quality streams of full songs is really really dumb. Come on, have we already forgotten our older bootlegging methods? If it makes noise, it can be recorded. One can either run a line out to a tape deck or find something like Audio Hijack to record system audio to the ha
ECN problems (Score:3, Informative)
If you've got the Hammer, throw it already... (Score:1)
If this didnt get a bit closer to advocating a police state under the rules of the RIAA as far as they care, then this
is at least in my opinion quite fitting for the definition of a police state. You have the encouragment of turning people in,
the monitoring of clear and non traffic for more than just the average security/quality/maintenance problems most universities
have/had, and you're also a private university. The only shining points are w
tuition (Score:2, Informative)
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And afterward... (Score:1)
And the MP3 will be on Kazaa about 20 minutes after the event.
Re:Why didn't they tell me? (Score:2)
The panel is about P2P file sharing and was scheduled before the Napster deal was made (or finalized at least). While having someone from Eastman on the panel migh