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Singularity Sky 416

Indomitus writes "I used to read tons of science fiction, nothing but for long stretches. Then I grew up and realized that most science fiction sucked. I look back on the time spent reading anything by Piers Anthony and know I'm going to be wishing I had those hours back when I'm older. Writers like Charlie Stross are the reason I know most SF sucks, because he does it so well. He fills this somewhat slim book with more ideas than any 10 other books from the section his work inhabits at the bookstore." Read on for the rest.
Singularity Sky
author Charles Stross
pages 313
publisher Berkley Pub Group
rating 9.9
reviewer Matt Grommes
ISBN 0441010725
summary A semi-sentient space travelling information gatherer called The Festival comes to a backward planet and instigates 1000 years of technological change in a month. The rulers of the world are not too happy and will use any means they have to stop the Festival, even if it means incurring the wrath of the super-AI that watches over the universe.

The main idea of the story, that a semi-sentient information-gathering alien system called the Festival comes to a backward farming planet and begins granting wishes -- in the form of advanced technology -- in exchange for stories and information, is only the seedbed for the larger exploration of the societally backward planetary system and what happens when the revolution you hoped to lead finally comes and it doesn't need you.

As a lifelong reader of science fiction, I hate that most SF is just as backward-looking as most Fantasy. Part of the problem with recent SF work is that we've come to a point in science where a lot of what made science fiction new has been done and what's coming is almost impossible to imagine, which I'll get to in a second. Space exploration can still be exciting but most new space stuff has been infected with the Star Trek Syndrome, as I call it, where everyone is boring and has no flaws, and the status quo rules. People just don't look to space exploration as exciting in real life so that translates to the SF work that people do. Real life science is changing so fast that it leaves even science fiction people in the dust. The result is the rise of 'Fantasy with robots and aliens' and 'Space Opera,' two facets of SF that seem to be dominating the landscape. Even Neal Stephenson, who was at the forefront of real technological future SF with The Diamond Age and Snow Crash has gone backward with Quicksilver and to a lesser extent Cryptonomicon.

The issue is The Singularity. This is Vernor Vinge's idea that technological progress proceeds at an exponential rate until there is a complete break with what came before. The End Of History, as people call it. This comes with the creation of a human-level AI that quickly proceeds past human-level, the invention of Upload technology that will allow us to live in computer systems and artificial bodies, something of that nature that we can't imagine. The problem with writing futuristic work in the time before a Singularity is that you can't see beyond it. Everything is different, so much so that all we can hope for is the fire up our imaginations to the point where we can begin to think in new ways.

One of the main goals of science fiction as I see it is to prepare us for the future. You can't hope to cope with the future if you've never been innoculated with new ideas. Singularity Sky is one of the first post-Singularity novels I've read that takes the idea seriously and examines it, allowing us to open our minds to the vast possibilities. Stross doesn't shy away from it like so many others. He uses the Festival's coming to show the speed of the change that comes with a technological Singularity and what happens to people in the aftermath. He also shows a culture trying desperately to hang on to old ways and the futility of doing that in the face of such rapid change.

There are problems with the book, mostly in the perennial bugbear of science-fiction, character development, but the rush of ideas glossed over that for me. This is only Mr. Stross's second book, I believe, the first being a collection of short stories called Toast: And Other Rusted Futures, that is high on my Must Read list. Charles Stross is a name that you will hopefully hear a lot more from in the coming years. His imagination is up there with the best and brightest and with his work as an accelerant my mind can't help but burn with new ideas. I hope more science fiction writers see this book and decide to move forward to meet him.


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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:07PM (#8342668)
    campy fantasy at that

    I found his obsession on depicting homosexual sex also disgusting.

    That made me throw away all his books after I found Jesus.

  • by PanamaCongress ( 632634 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:07PM (#8342680)
    Not off topic, but meta topic. Rarely do I get to see an interesting slashdot posting as it first appears. A moment of spare comments that allow me to post and comment. Unfortunately I have no interest to comment on this particular article -- but instead comment upon the peculiar way in which Slashdot articles resonate. Comments are a pyramid on slashdot. The earliest posters receive guaranteed exposure to meta-moderation. As the life of the posting grows, new comers, no matter how relevant their comments may be, are relegated to the end. New commenters should appear at the top rather than the bottom and be given a better opportunity for exposure and moderation. Thus people will see recent posts and posts that score highly. Hoorah
  • by Call Me Black Cloud ( 616282 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:12PM (#8342759)

    ...you'll look back on your Slashdot submission and realize what a pretentious uptight snob you were, and you'll wish you had the time back you spend shunning things that were actually entertaining.

    Based on your review, I'll take Anthony over Stross:

    There are problems with the book, mostly in the perennial bugbear of science-fiction, character development, but the rush of ideas glossed over that for me.

    I'm sorry, I prefer a few good ideas and good characters versus poor characters and many ideas.
  • A Colder War (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HeghmoH ( 13204 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:14PM (#8342788) Homepage Journal
    If anybody is interested in seeing a glimpse of what this author can produce, his short story "A Colder War" is available online for free at http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.ht m [infinityplus.co.uk].

    This story is one of the best I've ever read, and it's the only work of fiction I have ever encountered, on paper or on the screen, that actually managed to give me nightmares. Go read it if you haven't!
  • Double edged sword (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [namtabmiaka]> on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:18PM (#8342850) Homepage Journal
    Sci-Fi has always been a bit difficult for me. I love the ideas of building new technology, visiting new worlds, and finding out new things about the Universe. Above all though, it still should be entertaining.

    Unfortunately, most Sci-Fi writers fall into two categories:

    1. Taking the "human condition" to the extreme. Futures where sex is the only thing driving humanity. Of course, they're so much more advanced than us because everyone has sex with everyone.

    I hate to break it to the authors, but this sort of society would quickly degrade due to a lack of scientific focus. Not to mention that human feelings on the subject are actually pretty immutable. (No matter what anyone says.)

    One way or another, these books are no more entertaining than a porno flick.

    2. Fantasy dressed up as Sci-Fi. I personally don't like Fantasy books all that much. But these books make it that much worse. Most of them have space travel as a background to get to a fantasy-like world. After that, forget about the Sci-Fi.

    Once on the fantasy world, the laws of physics no longer apply. There aren't even social-political issues to work out. There's just some big quest for something. Or a, "look at how much better they are than humans." Blech.

    Personally, I thought Heinlen's juveniles were the best examples of Sci-Fi. Rocket Ship Galileo, The Rolling Stones, and Time for the Stars inspired those of us who wanted to some day reach the stars. Which is amusing since so many of his adult books fell into the categories above.

    Here's what I'd like to see: Someone should write a series of books on what space would be like if we developed nuclear engines. (Orion, NERVA, GCNR, M2P2, NSWR, etc.) Build a grand story around the concepts and push the public to make it happen. We always see space as far in the future. It doesn't have to be!

    An even better bit of Sci-Fi would be a television movie showing the conflicts of developing the first nuclear launch methods. The struggle between the pro and anti nuclear groups. Showing how far people are willing to go for their beliefs. And the results of finally reaching the stars.

  • Re:Does it so well? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by pilgrim23 ( 716938 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:19PM (#8342878)
    Sturgeon's Law as in Theodore Sturgeon, author and editor of Sci Fi of "The Golden Age" and the period just after that, said it best when staring at the Slush pile (the unsolisited manuscripts) on his desk: "90% of everything is Crud!"
  • by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:21PM (#8342906)
    If you're unhappy with the state of SF, perhaps you've just been reading the wrong SF. I am not yet nearly so ready to consign away the entire field (with the exception of a few remaining choice nuggets) as you sound to be. This may well be an excellent book, however there remain more worthwhile books and authors out there to read that I've already discovered (and don't yet have time for) for me to believe SF is a dying field.

    And as another person who has also read a great deal of Mr. Piers Anthony Jacob's works, he entertains well, and often slips in useful observations on life. (A certain RAH was also known for that once upon a time.) He entertained you well once, or you wouldn't have kept reading him.

    To want those hours back now (or someday) is to say that time spent reading is not time well spent. I respectfully disagree, although time spent writing is even better time spent. What else would you have done during that time really that would have been better for you now? Split your time between reading the Encyclopedia Britannica and running cross-country to improve your health? I think not!

    And if P.A. Jacob no longer meets your reading needs, it is not because he has changed, but rather you have. This is not a bad thing for either you -- or him.

    Regardless, you have succeeded in interesting me in this book, and I'll add it to my list as well. However your reasoning behind it seems less than universal.

    And consider reading some authors who only publish on the Internet. Some ideas are too leading edge to sell to editors and publishers. That's how I found this sig line.

    Peace!

  • by Transient0 ( 175617 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:23PM (#8342939) Homepage
    Try Permutation City by Greg Egan, Everyone in Silico by Jim Munroe [nomediakings.org] or Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect by Roger Williams [kuro5hin.org].

    MOPI is even available as a free text at the website. And these are just the three excellent examples that spring to mind, I know I've read at least a dozen other decent explorations of this unimaginable future.
  • by (trb001) ( 224998 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:25PM (#8342957) Homepage
    Agreed. While I would never give out an award for the writing in the Xanth series, it was creative and entertaining. Not every movie will receive an Oscar, but that doesn't mean that they aren't great in their own respect. Let me guess, you think heavy metal is 'lots of noise and stuff' too?

    --trb
  • by Elwood P Dowd ( 16933 ) <judgmentalist@gmail.com> on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:26PM (#8342982) Journal
    Try Iain M. Banks, anything of his, and then look me in the eye and tell me scifi sucks. Ditto for Stephen Baxter, or David Brin, or Greg Bear or Gregory Benford. Hmm...that's a lot of B's....

    That's also a lot of men. Try Octavia Butler.
  • by edremy ( 36408 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:35PM (#8343085) Journal
    He can't write endings. He's got the idea thing down pat, and many of his characters are interesting. (A Talent For War and The Hercules Text are good examples, and much better books than Chindi)

    But he can't write an ending to save his life. His books just sort of peter out, or end so abruptly you're left going WTF? Destiny Road is a great example of the latter: major plot points are still being resolved on the 3rd to last page. Stephenson, for all that's he's loved here, is another like that. I love Snow Crash, but the ending- sheesh. It's obvious in The Diamond Age that he just got bored and stopped writing.

    Could be worse- he could be Peter Hamilton. Now there's a godawful writer.

  • by Vlad_the_Inhaler ( 32958 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:38PM (#8343125)
    Joan Vinge.

    Her vision of the future was dominated by amoral corrupt corporations, hypocritical religion, by a class/caste system and by drug syndicates.

    Then again, maybe that was just observation.
  • by dmaxwell ( 43234 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:42PM (#8343172)
    Piers Anthony will never see another dime from me. He wrote in one his newsletters last year that he can't see "why some people get so outraged about protections on digital works". He often claims to hate tyranny and love personal liberty but is completely unable to see the connection those things have to DRM.

    I had an email back and forth with him and he brushed off as completely unimportant:

    Forced format changes
    Locking independents out of the market
    Forced choice of platforms
    Retroactive changes of licensing terms
    Rewriting history
    Every other thing about DRM that is problematic.

    Oh and he completely doesn't get that what one clever human can do another clever human can undo which ultimately makes the so-called benefits of DRM moot.

    He seems to think that DRM is his only hope of getting paid in the future. I got the distinct impression that to him Disney and the *IAA are completely reasonable aggrieved souls. For all of his professed love of liberty and justice, he comes off like Jack Valenti when it comes to his wallet. His works emphasize his dislike of censorship. He hasn't seen anything yet and he has no idea that he is now an advocate of censorship. If he likes DRM then he'll have to like everything that comes with it.

    This is fine. I won't misappropriate his stuff online but I won't fund him anymore.
  • by dsplat ( 73054 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:55PM (#8343318)
    I don't get the impression from what I've read of Vinge that he views the singularity as a discontinuity. The problem is that we understand progress and innovation based on models of their first and second derivatives that simply won't apply beyond the singularity.

    An interesting point to consider is that singularities have happened to humanity before, but on a greater time scale. Speech made it possible to convey information from one individual to another abstractly. Writing made it possible to convey information across distances and time. Each of these advances changed the nature of what is required for humans to acquire skills and knowledge and push beyond the boundaries of what is already known.
  • by Damek ( 515688 ) <adam@nOspam.damek.org> on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:55PM (#8343327) Homepage
    or Ken MacLeod or Alastair Reynolds or Kim Stanley Robinson or Octavia Butler or... there are so many (and they don't all have last names starting with B :)
  • Re:Does it so well? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by saden1 ( 581102 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @04:58PM (#8343367)
    I want to know if he is Charlie Stross with all the Amazon.com self-reviewing [slashdot.org] that has been going.
  • by Flamerule ( 467257 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:17PM (#8343644)
    Funny you should mention David Weber because I'm reading Field of Dishonor now. Unfortunatly, although I rather liked the second book in the Honor series (I read it first off of the Baen free library), I think i'm going to stop after this one. I swear my hands start to feel sticky whenever Weber goes off on one of his "Honor is the bestest person in the world ever!!!" tangents. His admiration for his own main character borders on pornographic at times [...]
    Yeah, a lot of people have this issue. I personally don't have a problem with the Honor-worship, but if you do, you might as well bail out now, because it only gets more and more worshipful.
    [...] and the villans are so one dimentional with absolutely no redeeming qualities or plausible motivations whatsoever.
    This is a problem. Later on, he goes into the Havenites in more depth, and I think (some of the characters, at least) are quite deep.
    ...and this book is taking far too long to get to the space battle.
    Uh oh... ah, let's see, how to put this? I'm afraid you've got some disappointment ahead in that area....
    If he doesn't hurry up, I might actually make good on my promise not to buy the next book. The space battle in the last book was the only thing that made be buy this one.
    There are many more kick-ass battles ahead... but you'll have to buy some more books.

    Sorry about the vagueness, just trying not to spoil shit.

  • Re:Author website (Score:2, Interesting)

    by The Bungi ( 221687 ) <thebungi@gmail.com> on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:19PM (#8343666) Homepage
    Look at your UIN! OK, so, given that you've obviously been reading /. for the past decade (or it just seems that way), we want teh skooop as the /. editors would say... do you use any personality traits exhibited by people who hang around here as basis for your characters? C'mon, you can tell us!
  • by Sloppy ( 14984 ) * on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:33PM (#8343856) Homepage Journal
    Futures where sex is the only thing driving humanity. Of course, they're so much more advanced than us because everyone has sex with everyone.

    ..
    human feelings on the subject are actually pretty immutable.
    Human feelings are mutable, because humans are mutable. I mean, if we're talking about Science Fiction, is altering humanity (e.g. genetic manipulation, cybernetic surgery, psychological brainwashing, etc) really that hard to swallow?

    No, when it comes to human feelings in Science Fiction, I think just about anything is workable. Perhaps even for the purpose of exploring exactly just how much can be changed and still have a character that is identifiably human, vs what is "going too far."

  • by StefanJ ( 88986 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:37PM (#8343905) Homepage Journal
    This review had barely a thing to say about the book.

    Other than avoiding the Sci-Fi Comfort Food syndrome, how was it? Was it well based? Were the characters interesting and believable? Was the technology well worked out, or just wish-fulfillment stuff?

    While I agree with much of the reviewers ranting, I was really disappointed in this piece as a review.

    Stefan "More about the Singularity here! [wholeearth.com]" Jones

  • Re:Author website (Score:5, Interesting)

    by charlie ( 1328 ) <charlie@ant[ ]pe.org ['ipo' in gap]> on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:47PM (#8344067) Homepage Journal

    I'm told I'm cited as the primary source for the verb "to slashdot" in the Oxford English Dictionary corpus. (They're after printed sources, not online ones, so this is rather unfair -- I didn't invent the verb-backformation, after all.)

    I don't use /. reader personality traits in my fiction. But I do read /. daily -- as I have done for some years -- and use it as a fertile source of pointers to new ideas. (If I use any net personality types in my fiction it's from usenet -- which I've been reading since about 1989. All of human life is there, kinda-sorta, including both saints and the sorts who live under rocks.)

    Added bonus factoid: Singularity Sky was written on Linux and MacOS/X boxen, using Vim. Formatting was done using POD macros, and the source was kept under RCS control (CVS is massive overkill for novels). The output files (in RTF and PDF) were finally generated using some command line tools and a makefile I knocked together ...

    ... Then I had to find a box running Microsoft Word in order to import the files and save them in the file format the publisher wanted. (And people wonder why I wash my hands compulsively?)

  • Re:Does it so well? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by GCP ( 122438 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:56PM (#8344230)
    So you're saying he's good at writing SF that sucks?

    The whole industry is.

    What we need is today's equivalent of a "2001" (though we can do without the incomprehensible plot).

    By that I mean SF that makes a serious attempt at creating a plausible future about a generation ahead that puts so much effort into the details that the more you know about the subject matter, the more impressed you are. An intriguing, thought-provoking and informative preview of a world that well-informed people consider so well thought out as to be worth studying and pondering for its implications.

  • by Knowbuddy ( 21314 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:59PM (#8344281) Homepage Journal
    I reviewed this book on IBList.org [iblist.org] last year. I figure I'll repost it here just to add another voice to the chorus.

    -----

    Economics, espionage, nanotechnology, black holes, social enginerring, and carnival phenomena. This book winds all these disparate subjects together into one (mostly) cohesive plot. This tends to lead to parts of the book reading more like college textbook excerpts than light sci-fi reading, but that may very well increase the appeal for the hard-core geek readers. The pacing occasionally suffers from the massive amounts of technobabbling exposition, but you still slog through it like a rubbernecker watching a car crash -- you just can't wait to see what it all means.

    The character development is better than average, though there could have been more character-building scenes without significantly slowing the pace. Indeed, the technologies and concepts often get more ink than the characters do. (Because, really, there's only so often you can be hit over the head with the "socialism/marxism/communism/*-ism is bad!" bat before you're ready to start skimming instead of really reading.)

    Overall, this was a good book. It could even make a good series, should Stross continue to write for it. College students pumped up on technobabble and economic/social theory will breeze through it, but the rest of us will still enjoy it.
  • by takshaka ( 15297 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @05:59PM (#8344284)

    One of the main goals of science fiction as I see it is to prepare us for the future.

    Funny, I thought it was to prepare us for the present.

  • Re:Does it so well? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by T3kno ( 51315 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @06:18PM (#8344540) Homepage
    Kind of like LOTR in space? That question is slightly tounge in cheek, but that is also exactly what I have been craving. An imersive, embracing, extremely detailed SCI-FI "sub-genre", for lack of a better term.
  • by HeghmoH ( 13204 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @06:38PM (#8344777) Homepage Journal
    My interpretation is to take everything literally. So, Roger and a good chunk of the upper crust of the US government escape to a secret facility on another planet. Everyone left behind is nuked (if they're lucky) or eaten by Cthulhu, where they live forever as he explores all the possible endings to their lives. Delightful.
  • Destination Moon (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @06:51PM (#8344939) Journal
    >An even better bit of Sci-Fi would be a television movie showing the conflicts of developing the first nuclear launch methods

    Heinlein's "Destination Moon" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042393/) had this as a plot element. 1950.

  • Re:Does it so well? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mortal_enema ( 206970 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @08:41PM (#8345887)
    Two words:

    John Brunner
  • by DavidBrown ( 177261 ) on Friday February 20, 2004 @11:31PM (#8346943) Journal
    It's quite fascinating. I saw the article on /., and decided to read it. But most of the comments that have been highly moderated (forgive me, but I cruise at filter +2) are comments either attacking or defending Piers Anthony instead of discussing Singularity Sky and the talents of Charlie Stross.

    Why did this happen?

    It happened because the submitter, timothy, decided to attack Piers Anthony in his post as a target of opportunity, and the /. staff decided to let it in (assuming timothy isn't on the /. staff himself - I wouldn't know).

    Why was this attack posted? If timothy had submitted a post entitled "Piers Anthony Sucks" it wouldn't have been accepted by /. editors.

    At this point it seems that nobody cares about Stross's novel, which is a shame.

    For these reasons, I think that the /. staff should consider this story to be an example of a failure of editing, and should consider the idea that it's better to leave the personal attacks /. readers instead of posters and editors.

  • by Fantastic Lad ( 198284 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @07:34AM (#8348462)
    People discuss what interests them. I don't know anything about Charlie Stross, and I'm almost certainly not going to read his work. (My own interest in SciFi books ran its natural course back in my early teen years.)

    I don't care about Piers Anthony either, and indeed, I don't care to rate him good or bad, precisely because I don't care.

    I DO however, care about the same issue you care about; I find social patterns completely fascinating. Hence my commenting on your comment.

    People discuss that which fascinates them. Especially on a site like Slashdot, which is one part nerd-news, one part debating forum and two parts entertaining distraction for bored post-adolescents. (Me included.)


    -FL

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