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Study: MP3 Sharing Not Serious Threat To CD Sales 704

pkaral writes "The two distinguished gentlemen Strumpf and Oberholzer-Gee have most likely made RIAA executives choke on their lunches. Those two economists at Harvard and UNC-Chapel Hill have done the research and the math on how much CD sales are actually hurt by P2P sharing. The answer: A whopping one CD per 5,000 files downloaded. Needless to say, RIAA are already trying to discredit the study."
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Study: MP3 Sharing Not Serious Threat To CD Sales

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  • RIAA (Score:5, Funny)

    by dolo666 ( 195584 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:00PM (#8715289) Journal
    RIAA: File sharing hurts our beloved industry.
    Student A: Have you heard that new song from ? It's awesome!!!!
    Student B: Yeah I'm going to see them next week in LA!! Road Trip!!!
    Student C: I'm going to buy that album they put out last year.
    Student D: Me too!
    Student A: Yeah it was largely underrated, I guess.
    Harvard Prof Guy: Consumption of music increases dramatically with the introduction of file sharing...
    RIAA: Harvard SUCKS!
  • by theMerovingian ( 722983 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:03PM (#8715326) Journal

    two distinguished gentlemen Strumpf and Oberholzer-Gee have most likely made RIAA executives choke on their lunches

    Thats all you have to do to be distinguished around here...

  • Discredit? (Score:5, Funny)

    by lukewarmfusion ( 726141 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:04PM (#8715340) Homepage Journal
    RIAA:
    Obviously, these "economists" are just a bunch of nerds with too much time on their hands. What kind of degree does it take to teach at Harvard? A PhD? Like that means anything. Our marketing guy has a Masters. These professors don't even have any platinum records.
  • The answer (Score:2, Funny)

    by TheJavaGuy ( 725547 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:04PM (#8715349) Homepage
    Fuzzy math.

    File-Sharing != Threat to Music Sales

    The RIAA just doesn't get it.

  • by jetkust ( 596906 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:08PM (#8715409)
    ...A study by Sharman Networks shows that CD sales are hurting file downloads on their popular file sharing network Kazaa, and have been for some time. Sharman Networks proposes a tax on every CD sold to accomodate for these losses...
  • by Peyna ( 14792 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:09PM (#8715419) Homepage
    Yes, but how many did you avoid buying, because after listening to it realized it sucked? Without p2p, you'd be stuck having to buy the CD first to find out if it sucks. Hence, more money for the RIAA.

    =]
  • by uarch ( 637449 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:12PM (#8715469)
    Two economists != two laywers though both tend to have their heads an equal distance up their ___

    ;)
  • by w3weasel ( 656289 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:13PM (#8715472) Homepage
    Water declared 'wet'
    Sky often described as 'blue'
    RIAA,MPAA and SCO still suffer from delusions of sustainable profit via litigation
    'Open Source Software' community remains fragmented Microsoft called 'evil' by some
    Apple hardware percieved as 'expensive'
    Intel based hardware discoved to fast, moderately reliable, and disposable.

    okay enough stoopid jokes
    I personally have bought more CD's because I discovered a band I had never heard of via mp3 download.

    foreach ($monopoly_action as $headline)
    {$knowledge = beat($headline);}
    function beat($deadhorse)
    {if($deadhorse){return "jelly";}}
  • content (Score:5, Funny)

    by Archalien ( 197877 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:18PM (#8715561)
    1 CD per 5,000 files.

    That should show the RIAA how hard it is to find decent music these days.

    Quality. Not quantity.
  • by thebra ( 707939 ) * on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:18PM (#8715570) Homepage Journal
    that P2P causes Cancer?
  • by the_2nd_coming ( 444906 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:28PM (#8715704) Homepage
    well those guys are just poo poo heads who don't understand economics.

    err wait.....
  • by r00zky ( 622648 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:28PM (#8715718)
    It is not piracy. Piracy involves boarding and stealing ships in the sea with the casual murder of people.

    It's called copyright infringement. Escape the common (publicity induced and totally unfair) misconceptions...

    ;)
  • by Opie812 ( 582663 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:43PM (#8715922)
    I prefer it to be called piracy because that way when I'm downloading music and somebody asks me what I'm doing I get to finish the sentence with "...arhhh matey!". Changing the nomenclature would make that oppurtunity much more rare.
  • by altarity ( 238277 ) <rylandbingham@@@hotmail...com> on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @01:46PM (#8715957)
    Did you know that the Smurfs are from Belgium? I thought it funny that some one would call a Smurf distinguised.
  • by mumblestheclown ( 569987 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @02:00PM (#8716211)
    Right. Until, that is, someone figures out a way
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    to remove those banner ads, leaving a clean near
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    DVD-quality version for everyone to download.
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    Then the industry will cry fowl saying it hurts
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    they're profits, even though the advertising
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    companies have already paid them. Then they'll
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    start creating all these DRM schemes to try and
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    prevent that from happening, which will only be
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    a smokescreen as they use it's failure to press
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    for laws outlawing all media being downloaded
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    from "unauthorized distribution points." At that
    point, if they succeed, they will effective control
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    all media on the net, because it is illegal to host
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    and upload any media files to anyone whatsoever, unless
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    you pay a licencing fee. Same story that's been going
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    on in one form or another for decades...
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  • by snarkh ( 118018 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @02:05PM (#8716291)
    as anybody who knows anything about advertising will tell you, the "coolness" factor of an ad often is only a minor role in its effectiveness. i could probably watch that doritos commercial with that girl at the laundromat all day, but i still don't buy doritos. rather, factors such as repitition and subconscious awareness building are more important.

    Wow, your logic is mindboggling.

  • by Mr. Bad Example ( 31092 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @02:29PM (#8716638) Homepage
    It is not piracy. Piracy involves boarding and stealing ships in the sea with the casual murder of people.

    Oh, please, can we still call it piracy? I just bought a parrot and learned how to say "Yarr!" and "Avast!" and everything, and I'm still healing up from the "wearing two eyepatches" debacle...
  • by haystor ( 102186 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @02:36PM (#8716744)
    If you read the grandparents post three times a day for the next month you'll see that it is true.
  • by Goose3254 ( 304355 ) * on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @02:51PM (#8716941)
    In today's society the majority of people are conditioned by the leftist elite to assume no responsibility for their actions, so why should the music industry be different?

    It couldn't be that the majority of music is cookie cutter schlock spewed out by a machine used to manufacturing "the next big thing" out of thin air since the 50's, talent and content be d@mned. NO!!! It's Napster...yeah that's the ticket..

    It couldn't be that the price point set on the object is unrealistically high, especially considering the division of profits. The record companies NEED 40% + of the cost to defray the cost of forcing the next no talent bimbo down our throats. Not a chance...It's Grokster...they are doing this to us, actually eroding the fiber of what makes America great and single handedly bringing around the demise of capitalism!

    No way it could be that WE'RE IN A FREAKING RECESSION!!! NO!!! We commissioned a study by the most expensive ad agency in the country and they say it's most assuredly all Kazaa's fault.

    It's not possible that the RIAA and it's lapdog media machine are misrepresenting the facts...like that the sale of SINGLES is down while the rest of the industry held or increased, or that this study and others show that music sharing helps over all and especially the independant artist/producer. The RIAA's position?....We are working tirelessly to buy enough politicians to insure that eventually filesharing will become a capital crime. and it's communist... and definately pagan...and probably satanic...

    The problem is that filesharing allows the consumer to intelligently compare and contrast different products. This means that a consumer will make up his or her own mind about quality based on a sampling of all that is offered, and vote with their dollars accordingly. This runs counter to the big corporation view that they know quality more so than the unwashed masses.
  • Well duh! (Score:3, Funny)

    by ComradeX13 ( 226926 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @03:03PM (#8717094)
    The other 4990 files were all horse pr0n. Damn Kazaa!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @03:09PM (#8717168)
    I believe the term is "time immemorial", not "time-in-a-memorial"... :)

    God bless the USA...
  • by Kombat ( 93720 ) <kevin@swanweddingphotography.com> on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @03:35PM (#8717515)
    It is not piracy. Piracy involves boarding and stealing ships in the sea with the casual murder of people.

    It's called copyright infringement. Escape the common (publicity induced and totally unfair) misconceptions...


    It's called a "metaphor."

    When the natives complain about the white man raping their land, the white man didn't actually rape the land. It's a metaphor.

    When they say that Kazaa is the bastard son of Napster, they don't mean that Napster, as a company, somehow copulated with another company, producing an offspring company, then denied ever having sex with the first company at all. It's a metaphor.

    When you burn a CD, there is no flame involved. It's a metaphor.

    When you surf the web, there is no actual surfing involved. It's a metaphor.

    When you pirate music/software, you are not actually running around with a parrot, an eyepatch, and a pegleg, boarding ships and stealing software. It's a metaphor.

    Think outside the box a little, instead of blindly latching on to the watered-down, pre-approved things that you're allowed to rebel against.

    (Note that I'm not implying there there is an actual box involved, that you're actually blind, that there are any latches involved, or that anyone has actually sprayed water onto anything).
  • by popo ( 107611 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @03:45PM (#8717646) Homepage

    What's hurting CD sales?

    How about the insane $20 price tag?

    I just bought a DVD which cost $100 million to produce for $18. Now how much is that CD which cost $30k to produce? What's that? It was produced on a home studio with $3k worth of equipment?

    Well relative to the $100M production cost of the DVD, the CD should be selling at $.0006

    Nuff said.

  • by the saltydog ( 450856 ) on Tuesday March 30, 2004 @05:03PM (#8718537) Homepage
    Then the industry will cry fowl...

    Let's leave the ducks out of this, shall we?

All your files have been destroyed (sorry). Paul.

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