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600 PowerMacs Make One DVD 269

vaporland writes "NYTimes.com has this story about using a network of 600 PowerMac G5's to scan original movie negatives at 4000 lines per inch and create high-resolution digital recreations of classic movies."
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600 PowerMacs Make One DVD

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  • by JessLeah ( 625838 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:00AM (#8902927)
    It's not like these are crisp, sharp modern prints. Jesus, at 4000 dpi, the film grains will be dozens of pixels in diameter...
  • by Repugnant_Shit ( 263651 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:02AM (#8902934)
    I guess having a crazy high-res version will help when they scale it down for DVD/VHS/Broadcast.
  • Macs (Score:5, Insightful)

    by basil montreal ( 714771 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:05AM (#8902949) Homepage
    Macs are great for stuff like this, sometimes I wish they had had the marketing smarts to get the market share PCs have now. They have alot going for them...

    Ah well, "Macs for productivity, Linux for stability, Windows for solitaire"
  • by Vampo ( 771827 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:06AM (#8902952)
    once digitised, could they not be processed to remove those? I don't know much about image processing but I'm sure someone would be able to come up with a filter that would pick up such spots and remove them (based on previous and next clean frames maybe?).
  • by Udo Schmitz ( 738216 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:17AM (#8903024) Journal
    The point could be to get new theater prints from the scans. Or material for the new digital projectors.
  • Re:Ummm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SillyNickName4me ( 760022 ) <dotslash@bartsplace.net> on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:18AM (#8903029) Homepage
    > all of the secondary processes will catch defects such as film grain.

    Saying that film grain is a defect is like saying pixels are a defect..
  • by mosel-saar-ruwer ( 732341 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:20AM (#8903045)

    Great, so he's doing optical at 4000 lines per inch.

    But what about the sound? Is he using non-compressed 24-bit samples at [at least] 96KSS [kilo samples per second]?

    Your ear is a vastly more sophisticated sampling device than your eye; I don't know of a single sound compression technology on the market that can fool the human ear.

    It would be a real tragedy to go to all that trouble to make good digital copies of the optical prints, only to try to cheat on storage space by downgrading the soundtracks to one of these abominable undersampled, compressed audio standards.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:21AM (#8903050)
    It won't be crazy high res. 35mm prints are one inch tall. that's 4000 vertical resolution, which in the scheme of things isn't much different to scanning an A4 document landscape at about 450dpi.

    High res for detail, but not as crazy as dozens of pixel sized film grains
  • by dcsmith ( 137996 ) * on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:22AM (#8903053)
    I'd much rather see true cinematic accomplishments (like the ones the article mentioned: Casablanca, Singin' in the Rain, etc) restored in this way, not cheesy predictable spy flicks.

    I would imagine that, as with anything else that has components that can be categorized as either "good" or "popular", sales of the "popular" stuff will subsidize the production of the "good" stuff.

    Face it - they're going to sell more copies of "Dr. No" with Ursula Andress [imdb.com] wearing the New & Improved High Resolution Digital Bikini than they are of Singin' in the Rain, starring Gene Kelly [imdb.com] and the Incredibly Vivid High Resolution Raindrops.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:32AM (#8903123)
    Yes, along this line are people who think surround sound systems are vital for Alfred Hitchcock movies, etc. which were recorded in mono; or later on stereo.
  • by SofaMan ( 454881 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:41AM (#8903177)
    I'm sure he's not an idiot - he'd probably sample the sound at an appropriate level of compression (which includes none at all), taking into account the age of the soundtrack and consequently the signal-to-noise ratio.
  • by Morgahastu ( 522162 ) <bshel.WEEZERroge ... fave bands name> on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:46AM (#8903213) Journal
    Film studios have always been using higher quality masters and they have never leaked. This doesn't change anything.

    Who's gonna bother to steal it (it being hundreds of gigabytes) and then downscale it to regular resoluiton for hours just to have something at the same quality that's available at blockbuster for $5?

    Or are you implying that people would like to download the original and store it on a terabyte disk array?
  • by Jonas the Bold ( 701271 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:47AM (#8903218)
    Your ear is a vastly more sophisticated sampling device than your eye; I don't know of a single sound compression technology on the market that can fool the human ear.

    Um, no it isn't. Your eye is vastly more sophisticated. Is it easier to recognize people by their faces or thier voice? Even musical instruments, is it easier to tell what kind of instrument is being played by looking at than listening to it.

    And there isn't any technology that can "fool" the eye either. When you look at a picture, you don't think it's real, you know it's a picture. Just like a recording, except a recording can come a lot closer.

    Super-hardcore audiophilia is a bit of a religion.
  • by mib ( 132909 ) <mib@post.com> on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:49AM (#8903238)
    How do they store these digitized movies? Even better, how do they transport them?

    Some back-of-the-envelope calculations assuming a 4000x4000 image, 24 bit color (too low?), lossless (optimistic) 4:1 compression and 24fps show that a 2 hour movie takes up over 1.8TiB.

    Is it just a box of 300GB tapes, or do they have something even cooler?

    Can you imagine the restore times for a movie from tape...

    - mib
  • apple/pro (Score:3, Insightful)

    by paradesign ( 561561 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @08:58AM (#8903295) Homepage
    this is old, but still cool http://www.apple.com/pro/film/lowry/
  • Re:Pointilism (Score:5, Insightful)

    by plover ( 150551 ) * on Monday April 19, 2004 @10:00AM (#8903787) Homepage Journal
    Please, read what you're preaching.

    Artists have known since at least the time of Rembrandt [i.e. almost 400 years] that the human eye can be fooled into seeing what it wants to see; in the case of Rembrandt and his pointilism, the eye [or the part of the brain responsible for processing data collected by the eye] merges small dots of color into a larger whole that it would prefer to see.

    You've just described compression. A particularily artful, beautiful form of compression (especially Monet,) but it's compression nonetheless. You just proved point the previous poster made: nobody is going to be fooled into believeing that a pointilist painting is actually a scene taking place in front of them. You may admire it for its beauty, for the technical and artistic prowess required to render it to the canvas, for any number of reasons. But it's not a "perfect" rendition; if you 'believe' you're at the seashore any more or less than you would by staring at a photograph of the seashore it's an emotional decision, not a rational one. And you certainly wouldn't settle for seeing James Bond rendered in a pointillistic style for two hours, not when you know you can see it in all of its Technicolor glory in the next theatre over. It's different -- it's an art form.

    Now, there's almost nothing artful about audio compression. (I say almost because there are artists applying all sorts of distortion to their sounds to create new ones, including overcompression.) For the most part, the distortion caused by compression is just a nasty side-effect. But the ear is indeed "fooled" by the compression. When you listen to a compressed audio stream, you hear music. It may be poorly reproduced, tinnily digitized, and companded down to the level of a phone line, but you still hear the music behind it. That's "fooling" the ear -- at least as much as pointilist art "fools" the eye (and without the art.)

    Anyway, setting all "golden ear" arguments aside and getting back on topic, I very seriously doubt they'd use compression at all on the audio. The imaging they're doing on each frame is lossless (each frame is probably around 40MB RAW), and this guy didn't get funding for 800 Macs by being stupid and cheap.

  • by gabuzo ( 34544 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @10:39AM (#8904138) Homepage
    The sound have been on print since the late 1920s with the exception of some format like Cinerama or more recently LC-Concept of DTS.

    Anyway we are talking of scanning camera negative and the sound had never been on the camera negative.
  • by CaptainMunchies ( 458558 ) on Monday April 19, 2004 @11:34AM (#8904779) Homepage
    You know how inaccurate that article is because you have a familiarity with the subject? Most of the paper (any paper, actually) is like that; you just don't ever notice.

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