Shifting From P2P To Stream Ripping 577
An anonymous reader submits "As users continue to try fending off the ever more litigious music industry, some
seem to have dropped P2P entirely, moving to ripping instead. While
they lose some control over what they are downloading, it's a untraceable way
to download music (no way for the RIAA to track users or sue). With some
of the more powerful software that's been coming out recently, stream
ripping has become more main-stream. Some of the more well known software
packages, like StationRipper, allow
users to download several thousand songs on a daily basis. And, depending
on how you read the law, it's 100% legal. How will the RIAA respond?
As more users move to this type of technology to avoid the P2P lawsuits, how
will the music industry respond?"
Just make sure... (Score:5, Informative)
streamripper (Score:5, Informative)
Stream ripping easy does it with your friend Linux (Score:5, Informative)
Start alsamixer
Set the capture source to "wave"
Jack up the "wave capture" setting
Capture the stream (or anything currently playing in fact) from /dev/dsp
Just think people have been bitching and moaning about the truly staggering number of ALSA settings for SB-Lives!, now see how it's useful?
Re:xmms saves streams just fine (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How the industry will respond. (Score:3, Informative)
Um, how exactly does one poke an ear out? Isn't that like using a shovel to remove a hole?
Re:My parents used to do this (Score:5, Informative)
Actually they DID care. That is why a royalty is paid to record companies for every blank tape sold. To compensate them for the copying people did at home.
Re:Good idea but... (Score:3, Informative)
What bothers me is that the program StationRipper [ratajik.com] claims it can record up to 300 streams at one time, when a usual 512k DSL connection is limited to 4 CD quality streams (128k mp3)...
Re:Keys to the kingdom for $9.95?!? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Just make sure... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Good idea but... (Score:5, Informative)
Libraries are great sources, and so are used music and book stores. They will generally buy stuff back after you've had it for a while too. The music ends up not being totally free, but it only costs a couple of bucks per CD, which is better than anywhere else.
Re: depending on how you read the law... (Score:4, Informative)
Well, UK and EU copyright law allows an exception for "time shifting" on domestic premises (i.e. video recording a television broadcast for playback later).
It doesn't state whether the time shifting copy could only be used once, but it's implied, and generally the copyright exceptions are subject to an overridding berne three step test that the exception is limited to acts that do not prejudice the right holder. This means that although the exceptions are available, if you abuse them in aggregate then it could be a problem.
However, theoretically, you could set up stream ripper to rip from thousands of stations, and only play back the song once at a later date, then delete it. Effectively, a music PVR. This would - in my interpretation - entirely justified under UK CDPA 1988 and the other EU national copyright laws that were harmonised in the late 1990s.
Re:Keys to the kingdom for $9.95?!? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:My parents used to do this (Score:3, Informative)
I think it had to do with the tape material. Ferrous Oxide (Type I?), Silver Oxide (Type II?), and some other expensive metal (Type IV?)
My type of high quality recording back then involved a mono tape recorder. It was a 6 button one with a pause button. I placed the condenser mic 8 inches in front of the stereo radio speaker (in FM mono mode) and positioned the mic element halfway between the center and edge of the large speaker element for best quality.
I got good enough quality out of the recording. They sound good in a mono player, but horrible in a stereo deck.
Re:Satellite Radio XM PCR (Score:2, Informative)
For Mac Users... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I said it yesterday... (Score:4, Informative)
Except (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What's the equivalent for movies? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Expect "internet radio" to disappear (Score:3, Informative)
this is what the RIAA defends... (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
Yeah, those poor record companies. Legal theft is a hard way to live.
Re:Good idea but... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:My parents used to do this (Score:2, Informative)
Nakamichi Dragon cassette recorders still sell for over $600 on Ebay..
Re:Here is why I buy CD's (Score:3, Informative)
Ha ha ha, not likely. I no longer carry original cds around because they get scratched way too quickly. When I get a cd it gets ripped to my computer and I make a copy. On average a cd (copied or not) lasts about 10-12 months in my car before it becomes unplayable (this is also partly my fault since I no longer attempt to put cds back into their original sleeve while driving).
-dk
Re:My parents used to do this (Score:5, Informative)
Mini jack to tape adapters only cost about $3 for a cheap one.
Esound is your friend (Score:3, Informative)
1. RealPlayer
2. 'esdmon'
3. cron
4. 'oggenc'
Here's my personal bash script to get these guys to work together and save the stream to an Ogg Vorbis file:
---
#!/bin/bash
DISPLAY=roy:0
export DISPLAY
datestamp=`date +%D%T | sed s+/++g | sed s+:++g`
esdmon | oggenc --raw -o
----
Make the assumption that the
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm sure someone out there could do it better, but this should get some people started.
The RIAA has anticipated this (Score:3, Informative)
They argue that ripping programs to individual songs is illegal because it is "librarying" - which is NOT a legitimate fair use. Rest assured, they will come after it.
Re:My parents used to do this (Score:5, Informative)
Type II - Better sound than Type II. Good for stuff you just wanted to listen to in the car.
Type IV - Metal tapes. Good enough to tape an album and listen to in your home stereo. Expensive, so you had to wait for sales.
I seem to remember
Type III - Chrome tapes. Good enough for most stuff, but tended to be noisier too.
This is all from 25 years ago, so its a bit tough to remember everything.
I just signed up for allofmp3.com (Score:4, Informative)
There's an interesting thread here [ipodlounge.com] about it, scroll down to the one that starts "OK, here's the scoop on allofmp3.com" by ronross.
$.01/MB is about what I think is fair for online music, you like $.99/track great, I don't, I like $.05/track. If I thought artists deserve to live like rock stars I'd send them parts of every paycheck, or buy them coke, but I don't. If a musician makes more a year than I do for what is obviously less work then they can't complain.
The URL again where you can legally get tons of good quality music for $.01/MB is www.allofmp3.com [allofmp3.com]
The English button is at the top left, FYI.
Oh, and by the way, I welcome all flames/spam/etc to my personal email address kgb@submarinefund.com [mailto]
Re:Questions: No record? Legal? (Score:3, Informative)
Betamax case. Time shifting.
Re:Good idea but... (Score:4, Informative)
They send you a stream. Instead of writing it to
Re:Good idea but... (Score:3, Informative)
Type III tapes (Score:3, Informative)
There was a Type III tape, namely FerriChrome. FeCr was to deliver the best of Type I [ferric oxide] and Type II [chrome], but died an early death as it didn't. They were on sale only in the early 1970s, AFAIK.
It IS streamripper (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Good idea but... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Just make sure... (Score:1, Informative)
A) It is incredibly difficult to buy 99% of the content on di.fm, because the stores only really cater to rock, pop, and country. Their techno music usually consists of two cds.
B) Just shut the fuck up, moralist. We're all really proud that you're daddy warbucks and can spend $16+ per CD for each song you like.
Re:Here is why I buy CD's (Score:3, Informative)
So let's say the collection took 6 years to build up (starting at 15 years old is not unreasonable), that would make it about 300 dollars a year, or around 30 dollars a week. Not entirely impossible for even an enterprising minimum wage worker.
Doing this legally, with artist support (Score:3, Informative)
It's still second generation re-encoding! (Score:2, Informative)
So a stream ripped 128k track is going to have a lot more artifacts than an original MP3.
Also, as most stations segue their music you're going to not get clean starts and ends on your songs.
Finally, it all depends on how often the stations updates the meta info inthe stream for the streamripper to split the tracks. For example, the latest version shoutcast reduced the metadata frequency from 8 seconds to 30 second intervals.
Re:Good idea but... (Score:3, Informative)
With real luck you can get CDR's that someone has already thoughtfully filled with mp3s for you.
Shoot... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Legal Question (was Re:Good idea but...) (Score:2, Informative)
However who knows, unless the cover of the CD will be replaced by an EULA?
Re:Here is why I buy CD's (Score:3, Informative)
What, go round their house and take their cd collection, do you?
Sorry to have to bring this up for what seems like the millionth time, but when you are copying without a licence from the copyright holder you are breaking the law, but it IS NOT STEALING! It's not even the same type of law breaking (civil vs criminal)
You can argue about whether its the moral equivalent or not for ever, but I am in favour of calling things what they are.
or you could use this which is free... (Score:2, Informative)
a bit different from audio hijaak I know but good for what I use it for and its under the gpl if you care about such things.
Re:I just signed up for allofmp3.com (Score:4, Informative)
The artists do not get paid; you know that, but it's not neccecarily obvious to others. Some of the music is sourced from a single bought CD, most is sourced from downloaded MP3s. The Online Encoding Exclusive tracks are all CD sourced; the others are at best 320Kbit MP3 sources - yes, all the non-Exclusive OE tracks are being transcoded, not encoded from the original.
Yes, it's legal for them to operate the service because they are complying with Russian law.
However, it is not neccecarily legal for you to USE the service. The situation seems analogous to buying stolen goods when you know they are stolen. It's not exactly analogous from a legal POV, though. I don't know the exact position of US law, but piracy law in the UK and much of Europe counts the party receiving the copy as liable as well as the party making the copy. I consulted an intellectual property lawyer and was assured that yes, under UK law, usage of allofmp3 is definately illegal, though it might be treated leniently given that someone who's not really clued in might believe that the site is a legitimate music seller.
Coverage of P2P lawsuits in the US suggests that US law does not consider the recipient of a copy liable, which would probably make it legal to use allofmp3, but IANAL and my lawyer friend doesn't know US law well enough.
Re:Legal Question (was Re:Good idea but...) (Score:5, Informative)
There is a catch though, you must use a device that is "commonly distributed to individuals for use by individuals" and for which the primary purpose of the device is to make such recordings. What are these devices? Well they are DAT tape recorders, Cassette recorders, and CD recorders sold in places like Best Buy that are set top units. CD-ROM drives and computers are not "marketed for the primary purpose" of making digital audio copies, so they don't fit the law. You must also use blanks that are for the express purpose of copying music. They must also contain the SCMS (serial copy management system) that prevents you from making copies of copies. Source disks must be originals in these devices. Obviously, these controls do not exist on CDROM drives or computers.
There is a tax on these devices and blanks that is distributed out to the artists as royalties based on their popularity, etc. That's the crux of the issue - CD-ROM drives are not marketed as primarily CD copying devices, nor are computers and they do not contain the record copyright controls. But these set top boxes have only one real function, and there is a additional tax levied on them in the U.S. to legitimize their use.
Find a copy of the law here. [virtualrecordings.com]
Section 1001 defines a "digital audio recording device" as: "Any machine or device of a type commonly distributed to individuals for use by individuals, whether or not included with or as part of some other machine or device, the digital recording function of which is designed or marketed for the primary purpose of, and that is capable of, making a digital audio copied recording for private use ...".
Section 1008 says "No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the non-commercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog music recordings."
Just wanted to point out: (Score:2, Informative)
So! Happy ripping!
streamripping (Score:2, Informative)