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An anonymous reader writes "The next HOPE (Hackers on Planet Earth) conference will feature Steve Wozniak as one of the keynotes according to conference organizers at
2600. Mitnick's also got a keynote spot, and there's more to be announced."
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This conference marks the 20th anniversary of 2600 Magazine and the 10th anniversary of the first HOPE conference. You can visit our official conference website here.
How is it the 10th anniversary, but the "Fifth HOPE"? Was there lag between some of them. I thought HOPE was an annual event. It least it has been since H2K. Anyone?
Welcome to the main page for The Fifth HOPE, sponsored by 2600. Yes, it's our fifth conference in New York City and this one threatens to be the best yet. It all takes place July 9-11, 2004, at the Hotel Pennsylvania in Manhattan
So perhaps thats why they call it The Fifth Hope?
At least The Fifth Hope's website does not say anywhere that its the 10th anniversary...
It's bi-anual. Being lucky enough to work in NYC and commuting into Penn Station, which is right across 7th ave from the Hotel Pennsylvania, I first became aware of the banners in 2000. Saw some great events that year. 2001? No banners, no conference. H2K2 happened. It was greater than H2K. I surmise this means bi-annual.;)
How does that relate? The HOPE conference is not a huge warez trading fest. It's focus is (theoretically) technology and exploration
Well in reality its more about wacko leftwing politics then technology and exploration. I went twice and both times it sucked. The worst was that turd jello whatever the fuck talking about computers and the internet yet he never owned one.
If your going to learn about technology you will be bored to death.
I thought about dual 6502s at some point. While it would be a useless thing to do, I think as long as you could isolate the stacks of the two, it just might be possible. The stacks are hard coded to 0x0100-0x01FF, from what I remember. You might also have to remain in the 64KB limit as well, since I believe most 6502 bank switching support is in hardware, so unless the rest of your board figures out what processor is doing the R/W. The rest would be easy enough to deal with in software.
I have to agree, I fail to see what Mitnick could ever contribute. All he is, is a criminal who got caught. He wasn't even much of a computer guru, just knew how to manipulate people well enough to steal some data.
Mitnick's fame is something I can't comprehend. I don't see why we're showering him with honors and treating him like someone who has valuable input, or is worthy of praise. Let him find a job and try and earn an honest living like the rest of us.
The point is, though, is that he's the guy who really showed one of the fundamental issues of computer security: secure software is not enough. _People_ need to be security-concious as well.
It's still a lesson people ignore to this day, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to claim him as a pioneer.
People have known that humans are the most insecure link for much longer than Mitnick. Look up your WWI and WWII history, slogans abounded and posters covered public places about the importance of silence when you could have spies around you.
Mitnick just exploited a well known hole that can't be properly patched. He no more pioneered a field than do Modern bank robbers.
Mitnick is a criminal, and should be treated as such.
You don't necessarily have to be the inventor to be a pioneer. A pioneer is someone who opens up new ideas and areas of thought, research, production, etc. Linux torvalds didn't invent the first Unix clone but I definitely believe he's a pioneer in his field. Mitnick became a pioneer in social engineering if for no other reason than he broadened public and political awareness of it to an all time high. Just like Bonnie and Clyde weren't just your average bank robbers either.
People have known that humans are the most insecure link for much longer than Mitnick. Look up your WWI and WWII history,
But the fact is that back in WWII, humans were not the weakest link! Technology and encryption techniques were. If the Axis had been smart enough to make more use of OTP and rely less on the ill-concieved Enigma machine, the outcome of the entire war could've been different. (Basically, no US invasion of France, so German and Japan maintain split control of Asia)
I don't think it's much of a stretch to claim him as a pioneer.
The fact that he drew attention to flaws in security due to his exploit shouldn't garner him any credit - if it did, we should be crediting bin Laden right now, too, for making the FBI and CIA at least pretend to talk to each other more.
I'm not saying he's that bad, he never killed anyone, but face it, he was either doing things he knew were wrong, or he was sociopathic enough not to understand that fact.
Another person who comes to mind who had done exactly that is Frank Abagnale (the film Catch Me if You Can is based on his life and exploits).
Abagnale has pulled in MILLIONS in consulting fees over the years and has lent his expertise in making monetary instruments more secure from the type of cons he used to pull back in the day.
Crap. For a start you're making a blanket statement that criminals don't change. He's not making a profit from his crimes, he's making a profit from the skills which he used to commit crimes.
Just like teaching people to hit stuff with a hammer. Just because I may have been caught hitting someone else's stuff in the past, why can't I tell people how to hit their own stuff with hammers? Or how they can stop Bad People hitting their stuff?
Why is he getting the job offers? Because he is a criminal. No one would know his name, or have made him CEO were it not for his criminal record. He is profiting from breaking US law. He may be a changed person, but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's settled into a cushy job of talking about how he commited his criminal exploits to other people, making millions off of his wrong doings.
So what? *You* don't have to trust him. Someone trusts him enough to give him money to do something he likes doing, *despite* the fact that he was a criminal.
I don't know whether or not he served his full sentence, but isn't the point of incarceration, especially in this case, re-habilitation? I can't reasonably believe that it was to protect society from him. He was a criminal, he's done his time, and now people are offering him money to talk about what he did, what's the big deal? There are hundreds of
My boss went to the RSA conference in SF last year and Mitnick was talking specifically about social engineering and other meat-space problems like dumpster-diving.
As I understand it, he's making a career of the things he did back then, because guess what? People are still the weakest link...
Mitnick's fame is something I can't comprehend. I don't see why we're showering him with honors and treating him like someone who has valuable input, or is worthy of praise
Mitnick was just another computer thug, as you say there's nothing impressive there. The only reason for Mitnick's fame is not what he did, but what was done *to* him.
After his arrest he was held, without charges, for over two years. It was the first of the anti-American arrest practices that Mr. Bush and the misnamed USA PATRIOT ac
As was posted elsewhere (take the time to read the thread, it's not that long!):
Mitnick's lawyers asked for him to be held longer, this was his choice, and in the end the time was taken off of his prison sentance. His extended incarceration was done as his own request. Read your history, even statements from Mitnick himself, this belief you hold is a common misrepresentation of what really happened.
This isn't "The Man" putting someone down but a cheap trick by mitnick.
So once a criminal always a criminal is that your point? No such thing as redemption, huh?! I also seem to recall the charges being brought against him as being somewhat blown out of proportion. How about letting the punishment fit the crime. As far as his skill set goes, I have no way of knowing that seeing as how I have never met the man or had an indepth conversation with him regarding it.
Read the other posts in this thread, I'm getting tired of posting and reposting the answers to Slashbot misinformation and ignorance. The charges weren't blown out of proportion, Mitnicks media team blew the perception of them out of proportion. The punishment fit the crime, Mitnick's legal team kept him locked up at his request because of the defense they were pursuing.
And while there is such a thing as redemption, he still should not profit from having been a criminal, he can get a real job, but maki
Actually I did read your other posts, but I found myself wondering what exactly you consider "their misinformation" is this just your opinion or do you have some proof of this statement?
No it isn't just my opinion. His lawyers pushed the pretrial to unusual lengths, fighting for various things that Mitnick asked for. As he was arrested for not only his crimes but also for jumping bail, and going on the run after his previous arrest, then committing more crimes, no bail was allowed, he'd already had a bail hearing and proved that he wasn't going to stick around for a trial.
Meanwhile his lawyers kept pushing to have some charges dropped or reclassified and even to just let him have a la
Actually junior, I'm more than familiar with his trial and the case and while yes his lawyers were making lots of requests on his behalf, here's a news flash, that's what lawyers do. And not being allowed a hearing because of past indescretions is still against the law. You have to get hearing, they can deny you, but you have to have it. There's a crime for you. My point is you're twisting the facts. You make it sound like his lawyers legal manuevering some how justifies his treatment. BS! That's our
Actually Mr. Slashbot, you're talking out of your rear. One week after Kevin's arrest he agreed to the following terms:
a) no bail hearing;
b) no preliminary hearing;
c) no phone calls, except to his attorney and two family
members
He himself has stated this many times. He agreed on this so that he could be held outside of solitary for a bit. Later he decided he would rather have had the bail hearing and decided to spread FUD, rarely mentioning the original agreement. Get your history straight.
ha! right you are. Mitnick is old school in a bad way..What was the essence of his scam again? A bunch of SOCKS chained proxies ? There isn't a script kiddie on the planet that can't replicate that today.
Mitnick is best known for his social engineering skills. Pick up a copy of "The Art of Deception" and you'll see what I mean. The Social Engineering panel is the highlight of any HOPE convention.
Mitnick was also made into a martyr when he was held for over five years without so much as a bail hearing (not that he'd get it for being a flight risk, but a hearing is due process just the same).
The commonly-held explaination for Mitnick being in such lockdown is that he would still be able to con people, even fears of Mitnick launching nuclear attacks by dialing the right phone number and whistling.
Mitnick is best known for his social engineering skills. Pick up a copy of "The Art of Deception" and you'll see what I mean. The Social Engineering panel is the highlight of any HOPE convention.
Whoop-de-freaking-do. "Social engineering" is not a new skill, nor was it something perfected by Mitnick. It's been around for a very VERY long time. The phrase "Loose lips sink ships" ring a bell? Mitnick is, and always was a second rate hack who got a lot of publicity for his crimes because he lived in the age of the internet where a lot of misinformed would-be-hackers rallyed behind him. He was an artificial flash in the pan, and has nothing real to add to such a discussion. You want someone with something to add? Hire an ex-NSA or ex-CIA to be your keynote. They knew more about "social engineering" during the world wars than Mitnick will ever know.
Mitnick was also made into a martyr when he was held for over five years without so much as a bail hearing (not that he'd get it for being a flight risk, but a hearing is due process just the same).
Mitnick's lawyers asked for him to be held longer, this was his choice, and in the end the time was taken off of his prison sentance. His extended incarceration was done as his own request. Read your history, even statements from Mitnick himself, this belief you hold is a common misrepresentation of what really happened.
The commonly-held explaination for Mitnick being in such lockdown is that he would still be able to con people, even fears of Mitnick launching nuclear attacks by dialing the right phone number and whistling.
This "fear" was never held by those who were holding Mitnick, rather it was FUD spread by Mitnick's own lawyers and representatives as part of a campaign to villify the US govt for arresting Mitnick.
Mitnick is a criminal, plain and simple, with nothing new to add. Lets put him back where he belongs, working for a living, instead of fueling his thirst for fame and easy money.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trust the guy as far as I could throw him. You never know if dudes like that are making you a pawn or mark in some kind of Social Engineering type scam. He wasn't thrown in jail for no reason at all, of course.
If any positive is to be said about him, it's raising awareness about this type of thing. After reading the book and bearing in mind the myriad ways of manipulating & scamming people out of seemingly harmless info that could be assembled for the bigger picture, I'm
You know, I think the poor guy has paid his debt to society. Yes, he made some big mistakes, but now he's moving on and he IS earning an honest living.
What would you do in his present situation? Go work a crappy job or make the most of the situation? I know what I'd do and I don't blame him for doing the same.
The guy is not the hero people make him out to be, but he also does not need negative creeps kicking him down any more. His debt has been paid, grow up.
Would they have more to say than Mitnick? Almost for sure, yes.
Big deal. Quantity over quality?
What was the original poster saying? Oh yes. That Mitnick is too mainstream and has been out of the tech world for too long.
The point there? I dunno. Because any CIA/NSA person you could get to come to speak wouldn't be able to talk about anything that happened in about the last FIFTY YEARS.
"It sure was a hoot when we had them Krauts all a-flutter cause we'd convinced them they'd put too much mustard gas on t
I met Mitnick when he showed up at dc2600 a few months back. While he's not the best in the field, he was the person that got rallied around when he was caught. He's gone from black-hat to white-hat, and by publishing the books so that they're aimed at amateurs and people who don't know about hacking/social engineering he expands the field.
Basically he's something of a recruiter. Even the people that read his books and don't become hackers will at least know what a hacker really is, and not the media inter
Obviously you've never been to a HOPE conference, because talking about computers from 7 years ago and how to hide from the cops would definitely not be out of place or out of the ordinary. Besides, keep in mind that while Mitnick's exploits aren't overly grand by today's standards they weren't exactly script kiddie material in their day.
Real hackers were calling themselves hackers back when to most people "hacker" either meant someone who drove a taxi or who was a poor golfer.
Real hackers don't find themselves overly pressured by societies "negative perjorative labels". While there is remorse that the general public has adopted the negative view of the term, there is no single word that better describes what a hacker does for the sheer joy of doing it. A real hacker doesn't particularly care if he is accepted or not by
No two hackers (or hackers-by-another-name) are the same. No two follow the exact same ideology. Some are young, some are old. Some like to associate themselves with "negative perjorative labels" and some prefer to try to change other's minds about those labels.
And some just don't give a damn about any of it, love the technology (or whatever they happen to be a hacker of) and could care less what others think about it.
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Friday April 23, 2004 @10:48AM (#8949849)
Due to conditions of release placed on him by the federal government, Mitnick is still prevented from touching any real computers. This is why he is expected to bring an Apple Macintosh to the event.
You're a little out of date. Mitnick has been able to touch "real computers" for at least a year now. Your trolling inaccuracy limits my willingness to look around for the exact date.
Sorry, I guess I missed it as being humor when the "humor" was based on half of what he said being innacurate. It would have been funny if Mitnick was truly still not allowed to use a computer. Now it just sounds like he's been sleeping for a year.
We're off to see the Wizard
The Wonderful Wizard called woz
We hear he is a Whiz of a Woz
If ever a Woz there was
If ever, oh ever, a Woz there was
The Wizard called Woz is one because
Because, because, because, because, because
Because of the wonderful things he does
We're off the see the wizard
The Wonderful Wizard called Woz
The Great and all powerful Woz seems to be everywhere spreading his message...but what is he doing now?
Before Woz designed the Apple, he designed blue boxes, and he and Steve Jobs used to go around selling them to people [woz.org], with Woz even using some of the design tricks [woz.org] he learned from making blue boxes to build the Apple I and II [woz.org]. I seem to recall either him or Jobs once saying that if they never had built blue boxes, they might have never have built the first Apple (which would mean IBM may have never built a PC, and who knows if any of us would be using PC's right now?), but I forget which one of them said that, when and where.
Woz is by far one of the best speakers I have ever heard. I saw him at MacHack a few years ago and the audience couldn't get enough of him. His stories and memories are some of the most colorful and interesting stories, and he has great speaking skills to back them up. I'm considering going to HOPE, and if I could go, I wouldn't miss the chance to be in the front row again.
Some people have talked about what a great speaker Woz is. I saw him speak to the local Apple Users Group (AppleCIDER) and he's got a lot of stories about his interesting experiences and living in interesting times, but he is a BORING speaker. If he ever comes back to get to the topic he was supposed to talk about instead of wandering all over the map, I'd gladly go back, but I don't really want to hear a litany of all the mini-computers he redesigned on paper, saving a whole 5 capacitors.
I love the Woz but why the heck would anyone want to listen to Kevin Mitnick? If he's as informative on computer security as his book, his whole speech will be about how to lie to brain dead receptionists. Why won't this guy go away and get a real job....
I imagine he could contribute something along the lines of social engineering. After all, he teaches a course in it now through (I could be wrong) SANS Institute. It's a 3 day course.
That did not go over very well. The HOPE planners rejected these alternatives after Gates insisted on a meet and greet in which he "embraced and extended" everyone, and Darl insisted on charging each attendee $699 just to hear the keynote.
Nope. Bastards. How the hell will I fill the void until I get a friggin' project if I can't SSH to my home machine and the only web site of any interest I can get to is/.?
Weeee! [albinoblacksheep.com] Song Doo [kimbo-be-coo.com] - starring tux, megaman, gene simmons and a sheep Britney Boob, Fluctuation Explanation [liquidgeneration.com]
Alternatively you could try learning something new that you could use at work....might impress them instead of fannying about doing nothing...;o)
Alternatively you could try learning something new that you could use at work....might impress them instead of fannying about doing nothing...;o)
But I don't learn by reading, I learn by doing. If they gave me something to do, I would learn faster. But noooo, all they have me do is web based training. And I'm 'not allowed' to install things on my computer, like a PHP parser or a database so that I could learn something. And my back is to the hallway, so if I do try to do something (like make my own java p
Kevin will be released from the conditions of supervised release which prohibit him from using a computer and from acting as consultant or advisor in computer-related matters
I think you've misunderstood the passage. As of that date, he was no longer bound by the restrictions of his supervised released. They made a big deal about it on the Screensavers.
Question (Score:3, Insightful)
How is it the 10th anniversary, but the "Fifth HOPE"? Was there lag between some of them. I thought HOPE was an annual event. It least it has been since H2K. Anyone?
Re:Question (Score:2)
Welcome to the main page for The Fifth HOPE, sponsored by 2600. Yes, it's our fifth conference in New York City and this one threatens to be the best yet. It all takes place July 9-11, 2004, at the Hotel Pennsylvania in Manhattan So perhaps thats why they call it The Fifth Hope?
At least The Fifth Hope's website does not say anywhere that its the 10th anniversary...
Re:Question (Score:2)
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Re:Question (Score:5, Informative)
Probably because most people can only afford one con a year, and most of the 2600 folks like going to CCC (which happens every year hope does not).
Re:Question (Score:1)
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Re:Crackdown! (Score:5, Insightful)
The government "crackdown" wasn't on hackers and crackers, just those who commited huge amounts of copyright infringement.
Re:Crackdown! (Score:1)
b) Some of those "cracked down upon" were most certainly crackers.
Re:Crackdown! (Score:1)
Well in reality its more about wacko leftwing politics then technology and exploration. I went twice and both times it sucked. The worst was that turd jello whatever the fuck talking about computers and the internet yet he never owned one.
If your going to learn about technology you will be bored to death.
Woz (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Woz (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, dual 6502e's running at 3.6 MHz, replay Lode Runner with those babies!
Re:Woz (Score:2)
Of course, it begs
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Re:Woz (Score:4, Funny)
Mitnick (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree, whats the deal? (Score:4, Insightful)
Mitnick's fame is something I can't comprehend. I don't see why we're showering him with honors and treating him like someone who has valuable input, or is worthy of praise. Let him find a job and try and earn an honest living like the rest of us.
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's still a lesson people ignore to this day, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to claim him as a pioneer.
-Erwos
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:3, Insightful)
Mitnick just exploited a well known hole that can't be properly patched. He no more pioneered a field than do Modern bank robbers.
Mitnick is a criminal, and should be treated as such.
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:1)
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
But the fact is that back in WWII, humans were not the weakest link! Technology and encryption techniques were. If the Axis had been smart enough to make more use of OTP and rely less on the ill-concieved Enigma machine, the outcome of the entire war could've been different. (Basically, no US invasion of France, so German and Japan maintain split control of Asia)
By far more and mo
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:1)
The fact that he drew attention to flaws in security due to his exploit shouldn't garner him any credit - if it did, we should be crediting bin Laden right now, too, for making the FBI and CIA at least pretend to talk to each other more.
I'm not saying he's that bad, he never killed anyone, but face it, he was either doing things he knew were wrong, or he was sociopathic enough not to understand that fact.
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Looks like he's done just that [defensivethinking.com].
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:5, Informative)
Abagnale has pulled in MILLIONS in consulting fees over the years and has lent his expertise in making monetary instruments more secure from the type of cons he used to pull back in the day.
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Just like teaching people to hit stuff with a hammer. Just because I may have been caught hitting someone else's stuff in the past, why can't I tell people how to hit their own stuff with hammers? Or how they can stop Bad People hitting their stuff?
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Knowing his method of operations and his past history, would you be able to fully trust him?
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
IIRC, Defensive Thinking is Mitnicks own company.
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
I don't know whether or not he served his full sentence, but isn't the point of incarceration, especially in this case, re-habilitation? I can't reasonably believe that it was to protect society from him. He was a criminal, he's done his time, and now people are offering him money to talk about what he did, what's the big deal? There are hundreds of
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:3, Insightful)
As I understand it, he's making a career of the things he did back then, because guess what? People are still the weakest link...
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Mitnick was just another computer thug, as you say there's nothing impressive there. The only reason for Mitnick's fame is not what he did, but what was done *to* him.
After his arrest he was held, without charges, for over two years. It was the first of the anti-American arrest practices that Mr. Bush and the misnamed USA PATRIOT ac
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Mitnick's lawyers asked for him to be held longer, this was his choice, and in the end the time was taken off of his prison sentance. His extended incarceration was done as his own request. Read your history, even statements from Mitnick himself, this belief you hold is a common misrepresentation of what really happened.
This isn't "The Man" putting someone down but a cheap trick by mitnick.
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:1)
I also seem to recall the charges being brought against him as being somewhat blown out of proportion. How about letting the punishment fit the crime. As far as his skill set goes, I have no way of knowing that seeing as how I have never met the man or had an indepth conversation with him regarding it.
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
And while there is such a thing as redemption, he still should not profit from having been a criminal, he can get a real job, but maki
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:1)
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
Meanwhile his lawyers kept pushing to have some charges dropped or reclassified and even to just let him have a la
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:1)
Re:I agree, whats the deal? (Score:2)
a) no bail hearing;
b) no preliminary hearing;
c) no phone calls, except to his attorney and two family members
He himself has stated this many times. He agreed on this so that he could be held outside of solitary for a bit. Later he decided he would rather have had the bail hearing and decided to spread FUD, rarely mentioning the original agreement. Get your history straight.
Re:Mitnick (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:Mitnick (Score:4, Interesting)
Mitnick is best known for his social engineering skills. Pick up a copy of "The Art of Deception" and you'll see what I mean. The Social Engineering panel is the highlight of any HOPE convention.
Mitnick was also made into a martyr when he was held for over five years without so much as a bail hearing (not that he'd get it for being a flight risk, but a hearing is due process just the same).
The commonly-held explaination for Mitnick being in such lockdown is that he would still be able to con people, even fears of Mitnick launching nuclear attacks by dialing the right phone number and whistling.
Re:Mitnick (Score:5, Informative)
Whoop-de-freaking-do. "Social engineering" is not a new skill, nor was it something perfected by Mitnick. It's been around for a very VERY long time. The phrase "Loose lips sink ships" ring a bell? Mitnick is, and always was a second rate hack who got a lot of publicity for his crimes because he lived in the age of the internet where a lot of misinformed would-be-hackers rallyed behind him. He was an artificial flash in the pan, and has nothing real to add to such a discussion. You want someone with something to add? Hire an ex-NSA or ex-CIA to be your keynote. They knew more about "social engineering" during the world wars than Mitnick will ever know.
Mitnick was also made into a martyr when he was held for over five years without so much as a bail hearing (not that he'd get it for being a flight risk, but a hearing is due process just the same).
Mitnick's lawyers asked for him to be held longer, this was his choice, and in the end the time was taken off of his prison sentance. His extended incarceration was done as his own request. Read your history, even statements from Mitnick himself, this belief you hold is a common misrepresentation of what really happened.
The commonly-held explaination for Mitnick being in such lockdown is that he would still be able to con people, even fears of Mitnick launching nuclear attacks by dialing the right phone number and whistling.
This "fear" was never held by those who were holding Mitnick, rather it was FUD spread by Mitnick's own lawyers and representatives as part of a campaign to villify the US govt for arresting Mitnick.
Mitnick is a criminal, plain and simple, with nothing new to add. Lets put him back where he belongs, working for a living, instead of fueling his thirst for fame and easy money.
Re:Mitnick (Score:2)
If any positive is to be said about him, it's raising awareness about this type of thing. After reading the book and bearing in mind the myriad ways of manipulating & scamming people out of seemingly harmless info that could be assembled for the bigger picture, I'm
Re:Mitnick (Score:4, Insightful)
What would you do in his present situation? Go work a crappy job or make the most of the situation? I know what I'd do and I don't blame him for doing the same.
The guy is not the hero people make him out to be, but he also does not need negative creeps kicking him down any more. His debt has been paid, grow up.
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Re:Mitnick (Score:1)
Dead on man! Wish I'd have said it that well.
Re: Mitnick speaking value (Score:2)
Big deal. Quantity over quality?
What was the original poster saying? Oh yes. That Mitnick is too mainstream and has been out of the tech world for too long.
The point there? I dunno. Because any CIA/NSA person you could get to come to speak wouldn't be able to talk about anything that happened in about the last FIFTY YEARS.
"It sure was a hoot when we had them Krauts all a-flutter cause we'd convinced them they'd put too much mustard gas on t
Mitnick's greatest feat of social engineering... (Score:1)
As a phenomenon within the hacker community, it nearly defies understanding.
Re:Mitnick (Score:1)
Basically he's something of a recruiter. Even the people that read his books and don't become hackers will at least know what a hacker really is, and not the media inter
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Besides, keep in mind that while Mitnick's exploits aren't overly grand by today's standards they weren't exactly script kiddie material in their day.
speakers (Score:5, Informative)
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"the-fifth-hope"? My man, I think you've just given Lucas the title for upcoming Star Wars fiasco. He'll be paying you in Domino's Pizza.
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Thats okay, because I like pizza!
Hey, a programmer's gotta eat.
Go! (Score:5, Interesting)
He has hundreds of great stories. You will not be disappointed.
Re:Go! (Score:2, Interesting)
ARe there any online/print collections of said stories?
-m
Re:Go! (Score:1, Informative)
Woz in Vegas [woz.org]
Re:Go! (Score:1, Informative)
Scroll down to the TV Jammer Q/A [woz.org]
In other words.. (Score:4, Funny)
Don't miss Star Woz at The New HOPE.
Yeah.. it's a slow day.
Real hackers don't call themselves hackers (Score:1, Funny)
They know better than to stain themselves with negative pejorative Labels
Re:Real hackers don't call themselves hackers (Score:3, Interesting)
Real hackers were calling themselves hackers back when to most people "hacker" either meant someone who drove a taxi or who was a poor golfer.
Real hackers don't find themselves overly pressured by societies "negative perjorative labels". While there is remorse that the general public has adopted the negative view of the term, there is no single word that better describes what a hacker does for the sheer joy of doing it. A real hacker doesn't particularly care if he is accepted or not by
You are both wrong. (Score:1)
And some just don't give a damn about any of it, love the technology (or whatever they happen to be a hacker of) and could care less what others think about it.
Mitnick's restrictions (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Mitnick's restrictions (Score:1)
Re:Mitnick's restrictions (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Mitnick's restrictions (Score:2)
Re:Mitnick's restrictions (Score:1)
Re:Mitnick's restrictions (Score:1)
Re:Mitnick's restrictions (Score:1, Funny)
Re: (Score:1)
Will he be selling? (Score:3, Interesting)
Magical (Score:5, Funny)
The Great and all powerful Woz seems to be everywhere spreading his message...but what is he doing now?
SSSSSHHHHHHHH (Score:2, Funny)
George Lucas may be reading this, and like SCO, may be sue happy since he has no real product of substance to push!
I'll bring my Apple ][ (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I'll bring my Apple ][ (Score:3, Informative)
Thank god (Score:5, Funny)
The Woz and blue boxing (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The Woz and blue boxing (Score:2)
but I forget which one of them said that, when and where.
The whole 70's has a similar ring to it.
And the inevitable... (Score:2, Funny)
HACK THE PLANET!
Woz (Score:4, Informative)
I'm afraid I have to disagree (Score:3, Interesting)
Mitnick (Score:2, Funny)
his book, his whole speech will be about how to lie to brain dead receptionists. Why won't this guy go away and get a real job....
Who is (Score:1, Funny)
Kevin Mitnick (Score:1)
Re:Homo? (Score:1)
That did not go over very well (Score:4, Funny)
That did not go over very well. The HOPE planners rejected these alternatives after Gates insisted on a meet and greet in which he "embraced and extended" everyone, and Darl insisted on charging each attendee $699 just to hear the keynote.
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but (Score:2)
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but (Score:2)
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but (Score:2)
Weeee! [albinoblacksheep.com]
Song Doo [kimbo-be-coo.com] - starring tux, megaman, gene simmons and a sheep
Britney Boob, Fluctuation Explanation [liquidgeneration.com]
Alternatively you could try learning something new that you could use at work....might impress them instead of fannying about doing nothing...
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but (Score:2)
But I don't learn by reading, I learn by doing. If they gave me something to do, I would learn faster. But noooo, all they have me do is web based training. And I'm 'not allowed' to install things on my computer, like a PHP parser or a database so that I could learn something. And my back is to the hallway, so if I do try to do something (like make my own java p
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but (Score:1)
You may find that running SSH on port 443 instead port 22 of your home machine solves your proxy filtering issues.
Re:Violation of the terms of Mitnicks release (Score:1)
Re:Violation of the terms of Mitnicks release (Score:2)
I think you've misunderstood the passage. As of that date, he was no longer bound by the restrictions of his supervised released. They made a big deal about it on the Screensavers.