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Army Plans Overhaul of Infantry Gear 829

nxg125 writes "Wired is running an article about a seven-year, $250 million revamping of the US Army's uniforms. One of the major obstacles is going to be how to power all the electronic devices that the soldiers will use. 'They have at least one idea, though. "Avoid the use of Microsoft Windows operating systems," a recent memo on the subject directed. FFW is going open source. Cleaner software needs less energy to run.'"
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Army Plans Overhaul of Infantry Gear

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  • ...which already has some open source ties.

    For example, the Vishnu [bbn.com] planning engine (source code and project site here [cougaar.org]) is being used as part of FCS logistics planning.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:21PM (#9251329)
    Unless you are using British English, in which case you conjugate verbs as though the noun were plural if the noun is a group.
  • by Proaxiom ( 544639 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:27PM (#9251439)
    Has the Global Information Grid [nsa.gov] come up on Slashdot before?

    It's a similar way too forward-looking military thing. The plan is that by 2020, every soldier will have an IP address.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:30PM (#9251488)
    Correction: Motörhead is one band, and its name is singular (not "Motörheads") so use the word "is" instead of "are".
    Firstly, the sig is a quote. It is moot to correct a quote. If you feel you are quoting an error and don't want to take credit for the error, you annotate it with [sic].

    Secondly, it is common in British-English to use 'are' after a noun that indicates a plurality. In this case Motörhead is/are made up of multiple people and is/are plural.

    So, put down your grammar swastika and become an informed poster.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:37PM (#9251594)
    Yet they still manage to sell Windows "Embedded Edition" to companies that procedure mission critical systems [avidyne.com]. If you don't believe me, look at the employment requirements for their software developers.
  • Re:One way street... (Score:2, Informative)

    by daniil ( 775990 ) <evilbj8rn@hotmail.com> on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:39PM (#9251618) Journal
    It propagates the myth that there is such a thing as "international law"

    There isn't? Then how come there's such a thing as "diplomatic immunity?" Is it just my imagination? Or all those other things i was told about in my introductory law course? Are you telling me that these are all myths, and that in reality, everyone does what they will?

  • by Malc ( 1751 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:52PM (#9251783)
    The US only observes the Geneva Convention when it's convenient or they think the media isn't looking. Look at the prisoners in Cuba: the US government made up new definitions in attempt to thumb its nose at the Geneva Convention and thus bypass it. It sounds like hypocrasy to me.
  • Eisenhower (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:52PM (#9251786)
    Dwight D. Eisenhower 1961 [msu.edu]:

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

    An always relevant speech, especially considering that over half of US casualties have come from a weapon that was perfected in the same year that that famous speech was given [howstuffworks.com]. I wish the technologists all the best, but in 10 years a uniform will still do what it does now, provide an easily identifiable target.

  • by molarmass192 ( 608071 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:53PM (#9251798) Homepage Journal
    How about this [nationalde...gazine.org] time in particular?
  • Technology (Score:5, Informative)

    by LittleLebowskiUrbanA ( 619114 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @03:54PM (#9251810) Homepage Journal
    Maybe we could forgo the technology that we don't need and have longer enlistments for infantry with more Special Forces type training, i.e. winning hearts and minds. Make it a lifestyle choice with more and better training, higher physical standards, better pay.
    Go ahead and shoot me down but I'm going off of 8 years of Marine Corps Infantry.
    Some of the new technology is great like the new ACOG 4x [usmc.mil] scope for the battle rifles. You can use them with both eyes open. My little brother is deploying to Iraq as a Marine Scout Sniper and bought his own (out of his pocket!) Eotech 552 [blacklionoptics.com] scope. You can see from the link provided that it can be used even when half the lens is damaged.
    In keeping in line with my comment about the rifle scopes/sights, the basic gear still needs to be revamped. Tear away chest harnesses are in high demand with most Marines choosign to buy them out of their own pockets rather than use the issue gear. The Marine Corps is still trying to deal with their mistake of using the MOLLE gear system. The MOLLE's plastic pack frame was breaking left and right in Afganistan and now the Marine Corps is replacing the pack with a new design.
    So stop fantasizing about the choice of OS on pie in the sky dreams/future projects and get the grunts gear that works.
  • by Strange ( 95579 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:07PM (#9251992) Homepage
    Not only that, but many of those custom batteries do not react well in field conditions. They have a tendency to explode when wet. The semisealed lithiums are just not safe. I don't want to have to worry about carrying a small bomb when I'm wearing an AERPS kit.

    For Air Force aircrew this seems to be changing. Most of the gear I've been issued in the last year runs on AA or AAA. GPS, NVGs, lip lamps, all commodity batteries.
  • Re:One way street... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Twirlip of the Mists ( 615030 ) <twirlipofthemists@yahoo.com> on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:14PM (#9252089)
    There are many errors in your post. Also, your conclusion is wrong.

    There are a long series of Geneva conventions that most countries have signed and ratified.

    There were four Geneva Conventions, not "a long series." One hundred and ninety countries have signed or ratified (not necessarily both) some part of the Conventions (not necessarily all).

    In the United States when international law is ratified it holds the same legal standing as the Constitution.

    There's no such thing as "international law." That's just a figure of speech. What you're talking about is a treaty. Treaties, when signed by the president and ratified by the Senate, take on the force of federal law. They do not have the same legal standing as the Constitution. Treaties, like all laws, are subject to the constraints of the Constitution. A treaty which violates any provision of the Constitution is not valid.

    (That's why, incidentally, the United States could not have ratified the Rome Treaty if it had wanted to. The International Criminal Court would have completely violated the Constitution's protection of our rights of due process, equal protection, and freedom from self-incrimination.)

    Now, let's talk about law for a second. Law is legitimate only to the extent that it arises from the collective will of the people. The rules of war, such as the Geneva Conventions, are agreements made between governments without the involvement of the people. Therefore the rules of war do not comprise a body of law. They're legally equivalent to a handshake.

    (So, incidentally, is the UN Charter.)
  • Re:One way street... (Score:1, Informative)

    by cheezedawg ( 413482 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:20PM (#9252153) Journal
    the fact that all of the whimsical reasons for justifying it have been debunked as lies.

    What? Just what do you think that President Bush lied about? That Iraq was not in complience with 17 unanimous UNSEC resolutions? That there were unaccounted WMD in Iraq? That Saddam wanted more WMD? That Saddam supported terrorists? Exactly what has he lied about?

    You see, President Bush is not the first one to say these things. These are facts that have been well established over the past 15 years.
  • Re:One way street... (Score:3, Informative)

    by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:25PM (#9252209)

    So why are guerilla tactics used by an opposing force often decried as unfair or underhanded?

    The idea is inherited from the Napoleanic Wars. Back in the day, Armies did the fighting, and Civilians were not really much affected by war (unless a battle happened in your backyard) - "The farmer in his field and the Burgher in his town should neither know, nor care, when the state has gone to war". An older phrasing of the idea, already fraying in Napolean's day.

    Guerrillas ("little wars") required Armies to make war on the populace at large, or give up. And Armies, traditionally, don't really like making war on the populace or giving up. Note that Air Forces have always been a bit less discriminating that way. Comes from having only area effect weapons.

    In any case, the traditional view is that wars have a distinct beginning, middle and end. And Guerrillas mess up that "end" part no end.

  • Re:One way street... (Score:4, Informative)

    by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:29PM (#9252255)

    Actually, despite the fact that our public schools are miserable failures of education these days,

    Interstingly, the US Military has one of the most effective teaching systems in the world. The sudden dramatic expansion of the US Military in WW2 pretty much required that they learn how to teach pretty much anyone anything, quickly.

    And a long service professional military helps there too.

  • duh... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Run4yourlives ( 716310 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:30PM (#9252267)
    Considering a nuclear blast lets out an emp, and they've been around for 50+ years, all military grade eletrical equipment is already EMP protected.

    (with the exception of some no critical, off the shelf stuff)

  • Re:One way street... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Strider-BG ( 103059 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:32PM (#9252285)
    Afraid you're wrong on that one.

    From http://www.genevaconventions.org/

    Both the fourth Geneval Convention and the two Additional Protocols extend protections to civilians during war time.

    Civilians are not to be subject to attack. This includes direct attacks on civilians and indiscriminate attacks against areas in which civilians are present.
    There is to be no destruction of property unless justified by military necessity.
    Individuals or groups must not be deported, regardless of motive.
    Civilians must not be used as hostages.
    Civilians must not be subject to outrages upon personal dignity.
    Civilians must not be tortured, raped or enslaved.
    Civilians must not be subject to collective punishment and reprisals.
    Civilians must not receive differential treatment based on race, religion, nationality, or political allegiance.
    Warring parties must not use or develop biological or chemical weapons and must not allow children under 15 to participate in hostilities or to be recruited into the armed forces.
  • Re:One way street... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:56PM (#9252569)
    It's been awhile (left the Air Force in 1989), but as I recall, the Air Force back then used degrees and minutes (which allowed accuracy to the nearest nautical mile) pulled off the lat-longs from our navigational charts, while the Army used a decimal system that allowed them to specify locations down to the meter if needed.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @04:56PM (#9252577)
    Look at the prisoners in Cuba: the US government made up new definitions in attempt to thumb its nose at the Geneva Convention and thus bypass it. It sounds like hypocrasy to me.

    It "sounds like hypocrasy" to you, but what it really means is that you are ignorant of what the Geneva Conventions actually say, and apparently have no interest in changing that condition. The Geneva Conventions were designed to provide specific protections to civilians and legitimate soldiers in time of war. Those protections only make sense for them, and others, like spies and mercenaries, are excluded. The Al Qaeda terrorists and their associates are also excluded from those specific protections.

    For your convenience, here is the extract from the section of the Geneva Convention [unhchr.ch] which is directly responsible for much of the controversy:

    Article 4

    A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy: ...

    2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

    (a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

    (b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

    (c) That of carrying arms openly;

    (d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

    Now, as you can see, Al Qaeda and its associates fail at least three of the four tests with the fourth one being a sometime thing at best. Because they fail the test, they are not covered under the convention, just like spies and mercenaries aren't covered. Now, that isn't so hard, is it?

    And, since we are on the subject, if we were to disregard the qualifications for the protections of a Prisoner OF War under the conventions it would mean doing some really stupid things. For example:

    Under Article 26 we would be responsible to see that:

    Prisoners of war shall, as far as possible, be associated with the preparation of their meals; they may be employed for that purpose in the kitchens. Furthermore, they shall be given the means of preparing, themselves, the additional food in their possession.

    Do you want fanatical terrorists who are often ready to kill themselves deliberately in the pursuit of their goals to have full access to a kitchen with its many potential bladed weapons and chemicals? That would be stupid. But, if we didn't do it we wouldn't be treating them in accordance with the Geneva Convention. But then we don't have to because they fail the basic test for being covered by the treaty in Article 4A2.

    And what about Article 60:

    The Detaining Power shall grant all prisoners of war a monthly advance of pay, the amount of which shall be fixed by conversion, into the currency of the said Power, of the following amounts:

    Category I: Prisoners ranking below sergeant: eight Swiss francs.

    Category II: Sergeants and other non-commissioned officers, or prisoners of equivalent rank: twelve Swiss francs.

    Category III: Warrant officers and commissioned officers below the rank of major or prisoners of equivalent rank: fifty Swiss francs.

    Category IV: Majors, lieutenant-colonels, colonels or prisoners of equivalent rank: sixty Swiss francs.

    Category V: General officers or prisoners of equivalent rank: seventy-five Swiss francs.

    Do you really advocate that we should pay Al Qaeda members in our custody? Hmm? Once again that would

  • Re:One way street... (Score:2, Informative)

    by sumdumass ( 711423 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @05:21PM (#9252869) Journal
    You defenders of saddam are somethign. Or should i say bush haters. I would guess if you the first, by now you are the second.

    First Isreal has nothing to do with what is happening in iraq. if you can see that then you need to just goto sleep and not even bother any more. The un resolutions were part of a ceasse fire agreament and actions taken because of tha violations of that agreement. This has nothing to do with a country like isreal that has only defended thier own borders and held land they took after being invaded by a superior forces and kicking thier asses back to thier moma's house. In fact Isreal has given some of the land it kept from egypt back to Egypt after they were sure the threat wasn't there. I'm sure it would be the same with palistine if the acted civil towards them.

    Second Bush didn't lie about saddam trying to buy plutonium from africa. The british inteligence gave the wrong time line. Most liberals were so happy to trash him they didn't even look in the right country for it and for the longest time claimed it never happend until someone told them how to spell. (probably a slashot regular)

    If saddom had nothign to hide and had no banned weapons, then why did he admit to having them, cause the U.N inspectors to be removed from the country when they wanted to look in areas that were previously approved? Why did he constantly say he had them, and then say he didn't? Why did he decide to break the cease fire agreements that he himself initiated to shoot missle at our planes in the no fly zone?

    In other words, as much as you like suddam and would like to trash bush, the fact is that suddom did this to himself. If he would have gone along with what he agreed to, that stoped this from happemning in the first time around, he would be sitting over there without a care in the would.
    in my opinion Bush done somethign that clinton should hav edone back in 95. because he didn't, you now think you can get bent out of shape and whine about saddam and how he is suffering and bush id evil and all that.. most inteligent people have moved on by now. i would suggest you do too.

    by the way, the U.N gave the the jews the land that Isreal holds (except for what they capture after being invaded) when they it was taken back from germany and hitler after ww2. It is amazing to here people think that it would/should be someone elses. Thats the effects from previous wars. ask the curds when they are going to get thier land back?
  • Back to basics (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @05:25PM (#9252903)
    Yeah. When Krulak was Commandant, one of his big achievements was getting every Marine a Gore-Tex jacket. Even that wasn't easy.

    There's still a shortage of body armor in Iraq. The Beretta pistol-breakage problem hasn't been totally solved. The replacement for the M-16 is behind schedule. And everything with batteries needs more battery life. Let's get those problems solved.

  • by for_usenet ( 550217 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @05:28PM (#9252934)
    But before that, I believe it was said by none other than Winston Churchill [thinkexist.com].
  • by Rayonic ( 462789 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @05:44PM (#9253127) Homepage Journal
    You're getting your tactics mixed up. Some are OK by the Geneva Convention, some are not.
    Sexual humiliation -- Not OK.

    Sleep deprivation -- OK.

    Violent beatings -- Not OK.

    *Threat* of beatings -- OK.

    Causing pain -- Not OK.

    Witholding pain medication -- OK.

    Physical disfigurement -- Not OK.

    Loud music -- OK.
    Etc, etc.. You get the idea, the Geneva Convention is surprisingly flexible.

    And all that stuff I listed, that's just for people classified as prisoners of war. If you're not part of the armed forces of a nation... well, the rules are considerably looser.
  • by nexthec ( 31732 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:12PM (#9253975)
    To fix that problem Electric Fuel [electric-fuel.com] has created a zinc/air battery for use in the field. To deal with the multiple battery form factors they have a little plugin empy plastic box, that leads out with a single pigtail. The actual battery actually is two 12 volt stacks that can be wired in parallel or series if you need 24V.
  • by HawkPilot ( 730860 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:59PM (#9254802)
    It's been awhile (left the Air Force in 1989), but as I recall, the Air Force back then used degrees and minutes (which allowed accuracy to the nearest nautical mile) pulled off the lat-longs from our navigational charts, while the Army used a decimal system that allowed them to specify locations down to the meter if needed.

    Absolutly true. The Air Force deals with Lat/Long because the earth is curved and the area they cover is large enough that computing distances and heading over a curved surface is computationally easier using degrees and minutes.

    The Army, on the other hand, deals in distances much smaller, where the curvature of the earth is not a factor. The Army uses a system called the Military Grid Reference System (MGRS [google.com] ).

    This system suits the Army well because it is simple, accurate, and works in meters instead of nautical miles.

    Army pilots, like myself, have to use both systems constantly. And we always have to convert between the two. Although when errors are made, it often deals with using different datums rather than computational error. The DOD is in the process of fixing this though by using a single datum for all maps. (WGS84) [google.com]

  • by scheme ( 19778 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @10:37PM (#9255412)
    You're getting your tactics mixed up. Some are OK by the Geneva Convention, some are not.

    Sexual humiliation -- Not OK.

    Sleep deprivation -- OK.

    Violent beatings -- Not OK.

    *Threat* of beatings -- OK.

    Causing pain -- Not OK.

    Witholding pain medication -- OK.

    Physical disfigurement -- Not OK.

    Loud music -- OK.

    Etc, etc.. You get the idea, the Geneva Convention is surprisingly flexible.

    You're wrong. The geneva convention prohibits physical and moral coericion including threats. In particular,

    Art. 27. Protected persons are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs. They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and public curiosity.
    Art. 31. No physical or moral coercion shall be exercised against protected persons, in particular to obtain information from them or from third parties.

    So withholding pain meds, sleep deprivation, threats of torture, loud starvation, etc. are not okay according to the convention.

    Also, threats of physical violence don't really do much unless it's credible in which case someone probably gets hurt in order to make sure prisoners understand that they might be next or that the interrogators are willing to go further.

  • by slashdot_commentator ( 444053 ) on Wednesday May 26, 2004 @01:41AM (#9256317) Journal
    The citizens of the United States were better off with that piece of shit Saddam running Iraq. They never should have changed the status quo of the situation in 2002 by invading Iraq.

    Not because "war is wrong", but because once the US unilaterally invaded Iraq, it would have no way to get out, without a worse situation occurring (a theocracy against the US). Because we can't get out (without having a more f**ked up situation), 800 US citizens have lost their lives (and more heroes are about to die for their country), reservists are confronted with the situation of being a grunt for the next ten years, while their families fall apart and loss of potential civilian career, and the cost to the US taxpayer will probably ultimately go into the trillions of dollars for this escapade.

    This result of this action was forseen by military & strategic experts before the actual invasion. It only could have been mitigated by better planning and execution by the U.S. Gov't. Obviously, they failed miserably (Invasion suceeded, occupation has failed). Now these same experts are indicating that our U.S. military will become unable to meet its world wide security committments (Korea & Taiwan) because the bulk of our force is now stuck in Iraq & Afganistan. Support the US and the troops all you want. But if you support Bush, then you support an administration that *failed* in reverting Iraq into a stable nation, and made the US geopolitical situation much worse than it was in 2002.

    The "imminent threat" to the US by Saddam has been demonstrated to be a lie. A lie concocted by the U.S. Gov't, with the most likely culprits the Bush administration.

    You think the lie was merely a mistake caused by British intelligence. But we had US personnel verify that the intel was wrong. When one of those gov't employees tried to point out that the administration was lying about not receiving the information, someone decided to tell the press that his wife worked as a deep cover anti-terrorist agent. There was no reason to reveal her name. Its a federal crime to do so. It damaged the intelligence network she setup against WMD terrorists, jeapardized her life, and now she can't work in CIA because she's been outed.

    Why Bush decided to invade Iraq, who was behind it (Israel???), is all distracting speculation.

    The only thing left to do is kick out the Bush administration for their egregious failure, and hope the next set of ass-clowns can do a better job. The current group has failed.

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