UK To Get Music Download Chart 65
theOtherFool writes "The Observer reported today that BBC Radio One is to broadcast a chart of legally downloaded music. This is a big deal because the station is the broadcaster of pop music for our sceptered isle; it legitimises downloading and seems to show that the industry (or at least the BPI, our equivalent of the RIAA) is starting to accept it, rather than ignoring it and hoping it might go away."
Industry already accepts it... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Industry already accepts it... (Score:5, Informative)
Noted. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Noted. (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Noted. (Score:1)
Re:Industry already accepts it... (Score:2)
Re:Industry already accepts it... (Score:2)
No; the radio industry (particularly the American radio industry) cares about making money. In the UK, this results in most commercial stations sounding pretty much the same, and from what I've heard, the US is 100 times worse. You sound woefully idealistic.
Re:Industry already accepts it... (Score:2)
The radio industry would like to be able to not care one way or the other, but financial constraints make that impossible. The recording industry provides their content, and the bigger corporations in the recording industry prepackage it so the radio industry doesn't have to pay for more staff just to winnow through the rest. With their current business model, the radio industry needs not just a recording industry but one control
Re:Industry already accepts it... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Industry already accepts it... (Score:1)
They can have their cake and eat it too. This is just plain smart.
They can start right here.. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Creative Commons hit parade? (Score:1, Insightful)
Of course this would be much harder to implement when compared to the manipulated radio hit charts influenced by the "Big Music" corporations, but it would be really nice to know this information.
As it is, I find it extremely difficult to find good music on the 'net as these independant groups just don't have the resources to to buy
It's about damn time, (Score:1)
The big question is.... (Score:5, Insightful)
If they did this and were still broadcasting quality it could be amazing.
Re:The big question is.... (Score:3, Interesting)
It'd also mean that the broadcasters would have to do the work of deciding who's listenable and who's not. Then again, Simon Cowell does Pop Idol over there in the same format as American Idol here.
Re:The big question is.... (Score:2)
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Re:The big question is.... (Score:2)
The BBC certainly have no commercial interest in the charts as they make no money from the broadcast.
Rather someone might wish to complain that the OUCC has a commercial interest in a BBC broadcast.
Why doesn't Clear Channel play unsigned artists? (Score:5, Insightful)
Clear Channel owns tons of radio stations. Clear Channel also operates a concert promotion arm as well. Concert singers don't exactly need album sales as much as they need radio play...
So maybe CC should get into the business of finding artists and signing them to a concert deal before they even have a recording deal. Give them a couple recording sessions to create a few radio-ready singles... and off they go. CC can make money with no need for the CD to be in wide release. In fact, give the MP3s away... it just serves to promote the artist's concerts.
Re:Why doesn't Clear Channel play unsigned artists (Score:2)
Slightly OT - I've started to notice how many billboards here in London (UK) are owned by ClearChannel. (Presumably the same CC?)
Re:Why doesn't Clear Channel play unsigned artists (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why doesn't Clear Channel play unsigned artists (Score:1)
Re:Why doesn't Clear Channel play unsigned artists (Score:2)
Britney took a major finacial hit by having to bail out of her tour this year. Artists make more touring then they ever see from a record label.
Re:UK? (Score:1, Funny)
Besides, you must be thinking of Belgium.
The real online music chart (Score:3, Interesting)
OK, so this is a bit of a shameless plug, but as far as we know, ours is the only chart which actually represents what users are listening to. We were quite interested to see this news in the papers on Tuesday.
The Audioscrobbler Charts [audioscrobbler.com] show what people are actually listening to - not what they're illegally downloading, not what they're buying, but what they're actually playing.
So yeah, our demographic is quite skewed, and we're having trouble keeping up with current load, but we're working hard on both of those things this summer.
Re:The real online music chart (Score:2)
Re:The real online music chart (Score:2)
What I want to know is why Radiohead is so popular...
Re:The real online music chart (Score:2)
As far as I can tell Radiohead is like the lowest common denominator for hipsters/mp3-philes. You've got to at least have them in your collection. Personally, I'm not a huge fan but they're still in my collection.
Big deal how? (Score:2)
Boy... (Score:5, Funny)
British Phonographic Society
Boy did I read that wrong the first time.
RegardselFarto
Will be interesting (Score:4, Interesting)
Imagine it if the chart is not tampered with (not going to happen really is it) - we will see lots of people purchasing old songs I think rather than buying millions of copies of the latest manufactured crap.
I wonder how they will fiddle the chart? Repeated downloads by representatives of an artist or record company could be tracked by account / IP etc.
It will be interesting to see how the content produced by the industry alters as a result of better stats. I wonder if they will start data mining the songs to see what does and doesnt work and what people buy.
Re:Will be interesting (Score:3, Informative)
I take issue (Score:3, Informative)
I fail to believe that this poster is British. We have lots [heart1062.co.uk] of [capitalfm.co.uk] pop music stations.
Re:I take issue (Score:3, Informative)
Radio 1 is the only National pop music radio station.
Re:I take issue (Score:1)
Re:I take issue (Score:1)
I still resort to Freeview for decent quality radio (at last we can get Jazz FM - I never used to be able to get it, no matter how hard I twiddled them), but there's still a very sparse choice of
Re:I take issue (Score:1)
Great (Score:5, Insightful)
Downloads (Score:5, Insightful)
What they really wanted though was to invent all the technology themselves and release it with a big "wow", trouble is others got there first and it looks like they are just jumping on the bandwagon.
BBC has some nice practices (Score:3, Insightful)
Radio 1 (Score:3, Interesting)
Bollocks is it! Radio 1 is the redheaded-inbred-bastard-stepchild of the BBC radio family. Radio 2 OWNS it in every way.
1)Radio 2's management isn't dumb enough to fire the Radio Caroline [radiocaroline.co.uk] DJ's Infact, they've picked a few of 'em up over the years.
2)Radio 2's got Steve Wright
3)Radio 2 has managed to retain a single GOOD (i.e. most listened-to) morning presenter(Terry Wogan), unlike the series of gibbering retards that 1 has gone through (Chris Evans etc etc)
4)Radio 1's premier retard, Chris "Chrispy Boils" Moyles is so untalented that no only does he have to surround himself with an entourage of syncophants in order to produce a single show's worth of content, but he's been knows to steal content used by Ian Collins, the Talk Radio presenter, who, coincidentally, happens to be doing his show about the time that Moyles would be going to work.
5)Radio 2 has Waay better content. Aside from a wider range of better music than 1, 2 also has the wonder that is Jammin [bbc.co.uk], It's Been A Bad Week and the like.
6)When I spend all day listening to 2, I don't hear the same song more than once per-presenter, and even then it's "packed" in a wide variety of different stuff. 1 on the other hand, when I have been forced to listen to it, is to repetitive that I could quite literally set my clock by it - Approx 5 PM Thursday, "handbags and gladrags", for the 4/5th time that day.(This is a year or so ago mind, schedules will have changed)
In summation, just 'cos it broadcasts the charts doesn't make 1 better by any means. It's the station of Bass-tards, white-kids-who-wanna-be-ghetto, people who are so mortally brain damaged to think Chris Moyles is funny and 40 year old who think they're 25 (Yes, You! My Ex-Employer! This Means You, you Faith-Hill Listening PRAT!)
The only things Radio 1 broadcasts to our "sceptered isle" is FAR, FAR TOO MANY BASS FREQUENCIES (is your colon vibrating yet?), the inane ravings of presenters so un-talented that no other station would touch them with a bargepole and so much Forced-Bling-Culture even this highly ecclectic listener feels like slitting my wrists to get away from it. (Nothing against people who Bling naturally, but people who put it on as a show shoud be pushed through a cheesewire mesh arse-first.)
Oh yeah, and in case anyone thinks of replying along the lines of "shuttup kid", I remember when this was all fie....er....when radio 5 played music!
Re:Radio 1 (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Radio 1 (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Radio 1 (Score:4, Insightful)
Radio 2's management isn't dumb enough to fire the Radio Caroline DJ's Infact, they've picked a few of 'em up over the years
Radio 1 is supposed to represent what's new or what's cutting edge. Crusties like Tony Blackburn would hardly help this cause these days. Even the middle-aged humorists of Mark and Lard have been chucked off.
Radio 2's got Steve Wright
And? Steve Wright is ideal for Radio 2's audience, Radio 1 is not a middle aged radio station for people who wear slippers.
Radio 2 has Waay better content. Aside from a wider range of better music than 1, 2 also has the wonder that is Jammin, It's Been A Bad Week and the like.
The rest of your arguments are sure hallmarks of someone who has never listened to Radio 1 except for 9am - 5pm.
Radio 1's content variety is way beyond that of Radio 2. Even if you took John Peel's shows on their own, there's a bigger variety of music than Radio 2 will play all week. Radio 1 covers jazz very extensively, with Gilles Peterson. Peel covers everything from soul and early 20th century 78s to jungle and thrash metal. The Radio 1 Rock Show covers the full rock gamut. Westwood, while annoying, covers rap and hip-hop. Indian music (bhangra, etc) is well covered by Friction and Nihal. Grooverider, Fergie and the DJ crews cover trance, techno and drum'n'bass.
Admittedly, Radio 2 does have good shows where the DJ is allowed to cut loose on his own CD collection, and fun to listen to they are.. but it's absurd to claim Radio 2 has a wider selection of music than Radio 1. The only genre Radio 1 is missing is classical, and we have the fine Radio 3 or Classic FM for that!
Radio 2 is a safe outpost for those who don't want their heads done in by Radio 1's dreckish pop and R&B output all day, and who want safe pedestrian inoffensive humour from people closer to their own age. Radio 2 is also the king of daytime adult contemporary, and generic MOR (The Corrs, Norah Jones, Will Young).. and it's good at it.. but it ain't variety.
Re:Radio 1 (Score:1)
1) It's an astra (2L Turbo thanks - I toast rice-boys at traffic lights)
2)It's populated with the likes of My ruin [myruin.com], Led Zepplin, ELO, Lacuna Coil [lacunacoil.it] Wendy Stark and all sorts of other stuff.
3)Middle manager I am not...Astrophysics student, as a matter of fact.
I'll admit I went a bit over the top there, but that rant had been brewing for a year or two, and the opportunity was just ripe for the taki
Re:Radio 1 (Score:2)
More than half of what's on BBC TV is dreck too, but that doesn't stop me watching the good bits!
Also... another genre they're missing: comedy.
Well, yeah, the whole chat thing. That said, Radio 1 did play all of Chris Morris's Jam back in the day, although that sort of programming has pretty much gone now. And (I'll get booed for this, I know) I actually enjoy Chris Moyles.
nothing on 2 that'll make you reach for the straight-razor
Re:Radio 1 (Score:2)
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I am 21... I'll have my fiver back, with interest, please.
Re:Radio 1 (Score:2)
But his deference is... and his laughter is...
Re:Radio 1 (Score:2)
Of course, I still hope to see John Peel let loose as a music director. Just for a week.
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Submitter is confused? (Score:3, Insightful)
Um, presumably this initiative is backed to the hilt by the BPI. It's a chart of *legal* (as in, the recording industry gets a cut) downloads. It's another of their completely ineffectual attempts to promote the over-priced and under-featured UK online music stores.
And all because ... (Score:2, Interesting)
I am very happy to pay my TV license fee to fund the BBC. Long live the BBC!