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Bar Coding The World Away 470

778790 writes "The Bar Code, long used for inventory classification and sometimes feared as a tool of social engineering, has been regulated in the name of globalization, and the globe has defeated the United States. Bar Codes in America will now have more digits, to match the global bar code standard: the European Article Numbering Code."
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Bar Coding The World Away

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  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:36AM (#9675118)
    12-digit bar codes aren't quite going to be retired, but US and Canadian retailers will be expected to be able to tolerate 13-digit codes as of January 2005. This sounds a lot like the Y2K situation... anybody whose database and/or software assumed it was a 12-digit field is now going to have to account for an extra digit and that's going to mean patches and code rewrites all around.

    It's good news for the geeks... more work for us to do.
  • Re:More digits... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:37AM (#9675130)
    And the Antichrist causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    And that no man might buy or sell, save except he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    -- Rev 13:16-18 KJV
  • Re:How long? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TopShelf ( 92521 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:40AM (#9675182) Homepage Journal
    I doubt that hardware is going to be the problem, but rather the software that accepts the data. There may be a few applications where the logic is burnt in, but by and large, the barcode reader is just another input device, and it's the software that needs to change.
  • by mopslik ( 688435 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:41AM (#9675203)

    Why not take the time to implement a flexible sytem which may allow to encore an arbitrary number of characters?

    I imagine it has to do with simplifying the amount of work done by barcode readers. Similar to IPv6. Bigger, longer... but still fixed-length.

    That last bit makes me feel dirty.

  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:42AM (#9675208)
    Also on our radar screens should be the fact that the US PSTN numbering scheme keeps getting more lines and is coming closer to the point that the (xxx)-yyy-zzzz numbering format is about to hit the wall. The rule that declared the center digit of an area code had to be 0 or 1 fell years ago. If an extra digit ever gets added anywhere, a lot of PBX systems are going to not like the new numbers.

    IPv4 is also in trouble in this area, and IPv6 is waiting in the wings to take over. However, NAT seems to be good enough in stretching out single IP addresses to multiple computers so I don't know if we'll ever be forced to convert over.
  • Inevitable (Score:5, Insightful)

    by metamatic ( 202216 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:47AM (#9675275) Homepage Journal
    Other inevitable and overdue US switchovers:

    1. GSM mobile phones.
    2. Metric. (*)
    3. Standard international dialing. (00 + country)

    And one I won't be holding my breath for:

    4. A universal healthcare system.

    (*) Laugh all you like, global corporations are gonna use metric for everything, not stupid US-only units. Eventually this will trickle down to everyday life. It may take decades, but...
  • Re:Woah... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by BigBir3d ( 454486 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:57AM (#9675397) Journal
    private sector floating the cost versus the us gov't paying to re-do all the highway signs and whatnot.
  • by Citizen of Earth ( 569446 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @11:57AM (#9675401)
    Bigger, longer... but still fixed-length.

    Fellows' Law: All fixed-length fields are too short.
  • Re:Inevitable (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Omega1045 ( 584264 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:07PM (#9675529)
    Funny side note of the universal healthcare. I have a friend here in the US that is currently working a "few years" assignment in Canada. He drives back to his home in the US about once a month to see friends, family and to do house chores. On his return trip to Canada his pickup is packed full of groceries for the month, plus any number of other items he may want like beer, cigs, moter oil, etc, etc, etc. From what I was told it is cheaper to drive a few hundred miles south into the US to buy these products and drive back than to buy them in Canada. This is thanks to high taxes in Canada, thanks to universal health care in Canada. He even picks up items for some of his coworkers that are in a similar situation.

  • Re:Metric? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by I confirm I'm not a ( 720413 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:09PM (#9675552) Journal

    it's time to be rid of the old British system... EVEN BRITAIN DON'T USE THEM ANY MORE!!!

    Oh, how I wish that were true. Britain still marks road signs in miles, sells milk in pints (this is a recent thing - it's getting so that it's difficult to buy litres of milk), and even has "Metric Martyrs" refusing - still - to adopt SI units.

    New Zealand switched to Metric in the space of a few weeks - Britain is currently aiming for "a few decades...and counting".

    ...Not that I care, I just think the US approach - give people a choice - makes more sense than the UK approach of "half-arsed adoption of the Metric system followed by 30 years of whinging". Bloody poms ;)

  • Re:Woah... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Seek_1 ( 639070 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:15PM (#9675648)
    Well, speaking as someone else on this side of 'the pond' I really can't understand why Americans fight to keep their complicated, quirky and backward system when metric is JUST SO MUCH FRIKKIN' EASIER! The metric system is used by the majority of scient communities all over the world people, learn to use it!!
  • Oh the irony (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:17PM (#9675671)
    If it was the US forcing the EAN-13 or metric system on another country with their quaint system of units and product scanning codes, Americans would be accused of cultural imperialism.

    But for some reason it's fine for other countries to simultaneously complain about US cultural imperialism and mandate the US submit to the other country's own boring lifeless units.

  • Re:Why... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by KD5YPT ( 714783 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:27PM (#9675826) Journal
    No one voted in IEEE (except for US and a selected few organization), but their standards on numbers, integer, ASCII, and various file formats plus wireless communication and TCP/IP are adopted by all as a necessity, why?

    Because it's necessary, internet cannot possibly have form without a standard. No, European standards are not anymore global that US standard, but European standards are much widely adopted then the US standard. And having one standard allows everyone to do things more efficiently. Heck, having one standard language would be nice, we could invent one and call it the Common (French... too complicated. English... too ambiguous. Chinese... again, too complicated. Japanese... same problem with Chinese since they use some Chinese characters.). Hm... Tolkien's Elvish...
  • Re:Woah... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by sindarin2001 ( 583716 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:32PM (#9675897)
    It's amazing how many Joe Sixpacks think that the metric system is "hard". Personally, I prefer to work in metric, even though I am an American. The whole system is much more organized...and I only have to memorize powers of ten rather than 24, 12, 16, 3, 5280, etc. Of course speed limits and such I'm still stuck with non-metric. I support the switch.
  • Re:It's about time (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 1u3hr ( 530656 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:38PM (#9675978)
    Some AC wrote:
    >Do you think the US actually cares if you have to pay extra for putting a sticker on something?

    Obviously not.

    >Compared to translation costs and the like (most of the EU does not speak English), adopting UPC is not that big of a deal, and less so now given the standard.

    EAN is actually the standard everywhere, not just Europe, except the US. There are other countries in the world that publish in English, you know (the UK, Australia, NZ, for a start). When they export books to the US, they had to either print a special edition or sticker them with UPCs.
  • Re:Woah... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by the eric conspiracy ( 20178 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @12:57PM (#9676233)
    Well, while decimal has it's advantages because it is aligned with base ten which is the most commonly used numbering system, units of measure using other bases like 12 and 60 have advantages as well in that they have more factors. 60, for example has factors of 2,3,4,5,6,10,15,20 and 30.

    For example, if an hour was 10 minutes, a quarter hour would be a fractional number of minutes. Not so in the base 60 system. Likewise, the foot, being 12 inches can be divided into more parts than a decimal foot could be.

    We might want to consider getting rid of decimal numbering and going to duodecimal, and then adopting a self consistent set of units in the new numbering system as a superiour alternative to that crazy scheme developed by the cheese eating, wine drinking, unbathed, Godless French.

  • by bigpat ( 158134 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @01:06PM (#9676329)
    "IPv4 is also in trouble in this area, and IPv6 is waiting in the wings to take over. However, NAT seems to be good enough in stretching out single IP addresses to multiple computers so I don't know if we'll ever be forced to convert over."

    Although I agree essentially with what you say, I think far too many people don't realize that "good enough" will be at the cost of future economic and internet growth. There are many potentially very profitable communications, collaborative and gaming applications that are currently being restrained by IP address scarcity.

    Globally addressable numeric addresses enable end to end communication. What we lose when using NAT is simplicity. Simplicity is what would enable more communications applications to become practicle. As it is now, when using NAT, either the application software or user needs to do extra work either setting up a static route or discovering a route through a NAT. It should be clear that this unnecessary complexity imposed by the artificial scarcity of IP addresses limits the broader practicality of direct (most efficient) end-to-end video, voice and data communications over IP.

    Sure, there are some companies that profit from the scarcity of IPv4 addresses, but this is akin to the rise in gas prices, which raises oil company profits, but at the expense of a far greater number of people and companies that would have otherwise benefited from the increase of commerce that results when energy and transportation costs go down.

    Comunication cost and ease of communication are fundamental economic drivers. When communication is easier and cheaper, the economy as a whole will be better. Replacing IPv4 with IPv6 means communication would be both easier and cheaper(as long as the rollout costs don't get out of hand).

  • by johnnyb ( 4816 ) <jonathan@bartlettpublishing.com> on Monday July 12, 2004 @01:35PM (#9676645) Homepage
    "For Bush to be re-elected he must first be elected"

    In case you didn't notice, all Florida recounts done after the election pointed to Bush as the winner.
  • cue cat (Score:3, Insightful)

    by twitter ( 104583 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @01:55PM (#9676846) Homepage Journal
    To the best of my knowledge, I don't know anyone that works with strictly 12-digit codes on any mass level. Perhaps it's just the mom&pop shops with their possibly custom software that runs with 12-digits only.

    Dude, what about my Cue Cat? How's it going to be any better than the 20 year old IBM scanners that are so common? IBM and others might have a service to upgrade their machines but could easily abuse the situation. If there's a Microsoft system out there, the answer is going to be "buy another system" like any other piece of the upgrade train.

    I expect that custom software owners will be in much better shape. It's not as good as free software, but people who are in touch with the software's writer will get fixes quickly and at reasonable cost.

  • Re:Woah... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Yeochee ( 586401 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @02:18PM (#9677109)
    You'd be suprised how easy it is to get used to new values. It's been only a few years since we switched from our national currencies to the Euro, and already I hardly ever convert a price back to my former currency (Belgian francs). In the beginning it took a bit getting used to, and the first few months everybody was constantly converting to old currencies, but since all prices are now in Euro, you get used to it very fast.
  • Re:Woah... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by forged ( 206127 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @03:11PM (#9677840) Homepage Journal
    Fractions... Who needs fractions ? You get two hands and each holds 5 fingers... 5 + 5 = 10 (tada!)... It's that simple, really. No need to complicated issues, and later think what's that screw size again, or what's an 1/1.8" CCD in real units, not to mention interoperability with foreign countries (assuming the UK would go along with it too).

    Your example about one hour makes little sense: if an hour was 10 minutes, half-an-hour would be 5 minutes...easy. One quarter of an hour would still be one quarter of an hour. And instead of rounding everything up to multiples of 2 or 5 minutes, we would have learned the length of time of one minute, and we'd all be speaking in minutes instead of trying to find a higher meaningful multiple value. So actually this would even work nicely :-)

  • by uberdave ( 526529 ) on Monday July 12, 2004 @10:43PM (#9682488) Homepage
    Don't attribute something to malice that can easily be explained by stupidity. After all, it *is* the government.

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