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'That's All Right' Soon To Enter UK Public Domain 519

jwlidtnet writes "Reuters is reporting that Elvis's "That's All Right"--currently an unlikely hit in Great Britain--is soon to enter the public domain in that country, followed by other milestones of popular music as Britain's fifty-year protection period comes to an end. Naturally, rights owners are outraged, regarding it as a "wakeup call" for Britain to adopt something similar to the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act, to end this "discrepancy between the United States and the EU." Copyright law uniformity has of course been a sore issue in recent years, with the exportation of "DMCA-alike" legislation raising the ire of many. Uniformity on an issue this divisive might be difficult to achieve politically."
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'That's All Right' Soon To Enter UK Public Domain

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18, 2004 @05:19AM (#9729840)
    ..in japan.
  • by kuroth ( 11147 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @05:44AM (#9729892)
    > When he wrote the song

    Elvis didn't write That's All Right. It was written by Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup.

    The article is talking about the copyright to Elvis's recording of the tune. The tune itself is presumably already in the public domain in Great Britain.

  • Re:Discrepancy? (Score:5, Informative)

    by BenjyD ( 316700 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @05:57AM (#9729921)
    google is your friend: From here [copyrightservice.co.uk]: Sound Recordings and broadcast programmes are 50 years from the end of the calendar year in which work was created/released. Everything else, including the copyright of the actual music, is life+70 years, or "an insane length of time" as I like to call it.
  • by rundgren ( 550942 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:02AM (#9729941) Homepage
    well... Elvis didn't write this song. Infact he hardly wrote any material at all. That's all Right Mama is written by Arthur Crudup
  • Re:Incentive (Score:5, Informative)

    by Motherfucking Shit ( 636021 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:15AM (#9729967) Journal
    If this recording enters the public domain, what incentive will Elvis have to produce new music?
    As a Memphian, I hope the answer is "none." We already get invaded twice a year (once for Elvis Birth Week, and once for Elvis Death Week with Maximum Candlelight Vigil Ceremony Love), that's plenty. Last week we had the additional influx of tourists bleating about "That's All Right's" 50th anniversary and the worldwide coverage it brought. It's actually rather interesting that nobody mentioned that a copyright was lapsing - particularly on that song - until after the fact...

    Anyway, if it turns out that Elvis is still alive, and he records a duet with Tupac or Biggie, my head is going to explode. No more incentives for Elvis to produce new music, please :)
  • by Florian Weimer ( 88405 ) <fw@deneb.enyo.de> on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:41AM (#9730028) Homepage
    Even in Europe, the song itself is not in the public domain because Athur Crudup, its composer, died only as late as 1974. In most European countries, works of performing artists are only protected for 50 years, but for the actual lyrics and music, the clock starts running after the author's death (and runs for 50 or 70 years).

    That means that the European rules mainly cause classical music to enter the public domain at this point.
  • by Tim C ( 15259 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @06:43AM (#9730036)
    That's not really a very good analogy, unless you consider society to be the sole owner of any created non-physical works (ideas, songs, etc). I know that some people do, and that they make some quite strong arguments in their favour (building on what has come before, owing your education and inspiration to all those around you, and them to others, and so on, etc), but I personally can't quite make the leap to thinking of anything that I create being the property of everyone, with me having no rights over it at all.

    I see copyright as a reasonable compromise - let me say who can and cannot copy stuff I create, for a limited period of time, so that I may profit from it. Like money or loathe it, we all need it - our modern way of living just doesn't lend itself to a pure barter economy.

    I'm not leasing anything from (or to) anyone when I create a copyrightable work. I am entering into an agreement with society, that people may not copy what I did verbatim for some period of time, so that I may (attempt to) earn sufficient money to make my living creating more things, such that everyone benefits. I get to live and do what I enjoy, you get to enjoy the fruits of my labours.

    I agree that copyright holders should not be granted essentially indefinite extensions. I also think that the period should be different for different types of work - there seems little benefit to society to opening up 50 (or even 10) year old computer code for copying, for example. I don't think that that invalidates the concept of copyright, however; I can't see how else the creators of such works could be compensated if not for copyright. Musicians can tour, but authors, etc? Patronage would work for a small number of creators, but then only the truly exceptional and truly lucky would be able to create full-time. Sure, some people would do so, no matter the hardships they had to endure (and I consider them to be truly exceptional). I still think that the nett result would be a drastic decrease in the number doing so, however, and the amount of stuff being created. How that would enrich society escapes me.
  • Re:Discrepancy? (Score:3, Informative)

    by TomV ( 138637 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:18AM (#9730113)
    Everything else, including the copyright of the actual music, is life+70 years

    Which makes the whole issue of "That's All Right" somewhat confused, in that Arthur Crudup, who wrote the song, died in 1974, so while it will be possible to sell the Elvis recording without paying the Presley estate, it will still be illegal unless the current rights-holders to Crudup's work get their cut until 2044.
  • Re:well well well (Score:3, Informative)

    by Gleng ( 537516 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:52AM (#9730184)
    Britain != England

    Britain = England + Scotland + Wales

    I'm English, and I do not wish to be associated with the Welsh, thank you very much :)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18, 2004 @07:58AM (#9730192)
    Copyrights are not property, why confuse the issue?
  • by jesterzog ( 189797 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @08:32AM (#9730262) Journal

    I'm not in the UK or anywhere in the EU, but for those who are I'd like to point out that about now would be a very good time to bring to the attention of your politicians things like Project Gutenberg [gutenberg.net], which directly benefit from the expiry of copyright.

    Certainly part of the problem is that it's not always clear what possible benefits there could possibly be for ever letting works exit copyright. Gutenberg is an active project that's both becoming succesful, and demonstrates that people are out there trying to make an active effort to benefit from existing law.

    If politicians don't realise that people are benefiting from existing law, they'll have far less reason to consider not changing it when lobbied by the corporates. It's a bonus that Gutenberg can quite correctly claim that rather than ripping off other people's work, it's saving and making accessible a lot of valuable resources that most likely would simply have vanished otherwise.... and without a reasonable expiry of copyright this simply coldn't happen.

  • Re:well well well (Score:3, Informative)

    by Gleng ( 537516 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @08:42AM (#9730293)
    Where did Northern Ireland go ?

    United Kingdom = Great Britain + Northern Ireland

    I hadn't forgetten ;)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18, 2004 @08:56AM (#9730324)
    Michael only has the copyright on the paper works not on recorded. So while he makes money on all derivitive works, he doesn't make money on recordings made by the fab 4 themselves. Still he does earn a shitload of money on the rights he holds. Somewhere to the tune of $100 mil a year on those songs alone(his company 50 % stake in ATV/Sony owns a lot of others songs as well and they earn 300 mil a year roughly.)
  • by lavar78 ( 573962 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @10:28AM (#9730712)
    Disney was built on works in the public domain -- Snow White, Pinocchio, Cinderella, The Jungle Book, etc.
  • Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)

    by cpt kangarooski ( 3773 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @02:17PM (#9731987) Homepage
    That's not really accurate; trademarks are inferior rights to copyrights, and cannot serve as a poor man's copyright so to speak. Thus, when a copyright fails, the trademark ALSO fails to the extent necessary for people to make public domain use of the work.

    Very few cases have dealt with this since it's a rare set of circumstances, but there was one that was something like Comedy III v. New Line Cinema. The public domain argument won.

    The trick is to remember that trademarks are only granted where the public can rely on that mark to identify that marked goods or services stem from a single source. If copyright expires, then there are multiple possible sources for works that are DERIVATIVE of the public domain original, as well as copies of the original itself. Thus, the public can no longer rely on the trademark to identify the sole source of those works.

    Other goods or services are different; Peter Pan is in the public domain, but that doesn't matter in the worlds of bus lines or peanut butter.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18, 2004 @03:39PM (#9732582)
    I agree with your point, but you should note that in 1953 (when Disney's Peter Pan released to thetres), J. M. Barrie'sPeter Pan [wikipedia.org] was still under copyright in both the UK and the US in 1953. Royalties were paid.

    And in fact, royalties still are paid on that one, since Peter Pan was granted a sort of perpetual copyright in the UK by act of Parliament.

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