Google Sets IPO Pricing 466
It appears that Google has set their IPO price - 108$ - 135$ per share. Yowza. A reminder that this is done through the Dutch Auction ? process, which makes that pricing even more...uh...interesting.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." - Bert Lantz
Probably worth it though.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Web index as revenue generator (Score:5, Insightful)
In fact, they already provide programmatic access to their results via the Web APIs [google.com], spawning services ranging from a recipe generator [researchbuzz.org] to a site for detecting online plagiarism [copyscape.com]. According to this story [theregister.co.uk], the developers of Google Alert [googlealert.com], one well-known APIs application, have recently been granted permission to commercialize their service. My guess is that it won't be long before there are many more 3rd party Google applications, bringing in a lot of new money to Google's coffers. Anyone for a BUY rating?
Investors or the public? (Score:2, Insightful)
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I don't feel fine...fine...
While I love the idea of Google raising money for its business I am still keeping my fingers crossed that they can remain faithful to their customers rather than the random whims of their investors.
A bit steep for my tastes (Score:5, Insightful)
IANAstockbroker, and i have no money to buy stock anyway.
Re:Probably worth it though.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Share price is irrelevant (Score:5, Insightful)
All other things being equal, 10% ownership priced at $100 is a somewhat of a better deal than
Safe investment? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Web index as revenue generator (Score:2, Insightful)
I think there will be some serious hype-driven bubble inflation during and immediately following the IPO. They may take measures to prevent it, such as selling more stock, but once the shares are out on the open market, ther'es not much that can be done.
The third-party stuff does look pretty promising though...
Re:Investors or the public? (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, you mean the people who advertise on google? Yeah, I think they'll do a good job of keeping those people happy. But people who use google's search engine just to find stuff are not customers...they're the product. Google main business is not selling search results, it's selling eyeballs. Just like any other media company (television, radio, etc...) who's job is to sell advertising, google's customers are the people who pay for advertising. When you start paying google to do a search, then you'll be a google customer...until you're the product.
Re:Web index as revenue generator (Score:4, Insightful)
Any investment analyst will tell you that it's far better to have numerous low-priced shared than a few high-priced ones. At this price, a moderate investment (let's say $10,000) gets you only about 100 shares. That means you're completely at the mercy of the stock price (which we know to be oh-so-stable in the tech industry).
No, what'll be interesting is to see what mutual funds grab onto Google as part of their portfolio, and at what percentage. We know it's "risky", but is it considered growth? What percentage will make sense in a mutual fund? 5%? 25%? Those are the questions I'd like to see answered.
Re:Dutch auction: bids start high and go down (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Web index as revenue generator (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't that what they said about the Titanic? Hubris has a dramatic way of destroying things. Google could suffer the same fate at this asking price. Pets.com seemed like a really cool investment in its day. Same goes for Dr. "kung fu" Koop.com.
The Internet itself will die soon for a variety of reasons (spam, peak oil, Super bugs, the Apocalypse). Just don't be disappointed when it happens.
Question (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Web index as revenue generator (Score:3, Insightful)
I think if I were running such a site I would see about creating a system whereby if I saw Google coming in I would give it 25% of the content (which means the majority of the keywords needed for good indexing will have been sent out) along with a "please click here for more" link.
I personally don't -like- that kind of stuff, but that is not my point
Besides, how many -useful- sites protect there content? I'd say that they are in the small minority today.
Re:Probably worth it though.... (Score:2, Insightful)
1. Type in keywords
2. Get list of pages which are relevent.
Step 1 hasn't changed in a long time.
Step 2 is more like a battle against spam. How to avoid misleading (intentional or unintentional) pages.
What makes Google interesting is that it had really nice clean hits. Better than others. Now, due to popularity, its getting worse and worse.
Not much innovation recently.
Re:Web index as revenue generator (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't think there is any question that all the shares will sell. If they don't change hands after selling, Google isn't going to care as they will still have raked in billions with this price instead of hundreds of millions with a lower price.
Is it actually giving anyone a -break-? No
The difference is the brokers and their friends don't get an immediate cash-cow, they're on the same playing field. If I can't get a break, at least I know that the rich dudes didn't either.
PE (Price/Earnings ratio) is the number to look at (Score:5, Insightful)
With a PE of 115 Google is an expensive stock & I guarantee Warren Buffet won't be buying at the price. By comparison banking stocks have PEs generally under 20.
Analysts (and I use the term loosely) try to spin these high PEs by claiming there will be high growth, and using Price Earnings Growth (PEG) models.
I won't be buying at that price.
Re:Probably worth it though.... (Score:3, Insightful)
I never thought of the software industry as particularly fictionless...
Re:Safe investment? (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Someone finds a way to circumvent PageRank easily and reliably, basically nuking Google's worth as a search engine. Unlikely, but it could happen.
2. Yahoo or Microsoft come up with a better search technology. Not all the brilliant people in the world work for Google.
3. Gmail roll-out gets flubbed. Google's core expertise is not in making _consumers_ pay for things. This probably wouldn't hurt Google terribly, but stock price would go down (lack of confidence).
4. Something bad comes of the Orkut case.
5. Google gets sued for violating some odd software patent (or, "gets SCO'd", as I like to think of it), or just lands in regular legal trouble.
6. Bad management decisions (remember Aureal? Top of the world on sound cards, got killed by bad management)
I'm not asking people to chime in and tell me how TOTALLY UNLIKELY all this stuff is. It's just that I think it's foolish to believe Google is infallible. Just like every other company, they've got risk.
-Erwos
Mod parent up (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:PE (Price/Earnings ratio) is the number to look (Score:3, Insightful)
Still pretty high. Comparing to banking stocks is silly though, since Google is not a bank. Comparing to other internet stocks is more informative. Yahoo trades at a PE of 110. Ebay trades at a PE of 78. Amazon trades at a PE of 60.
Google's price-to-sales ratio (@ $108/share) would be 10.35. This is lower than Yahoo's 14.35, eBay's 18.20, though much lower than Amazon's 2.71.
Google will be an expensive stock, but certainly in-line with other internet stocks.
Re:Web index as revenue generator (Score:4, Insightful)
That's a biggy.
Re:Web index as revenue generator (Score:1, Insightful)
It depends on what your goal is. There is one huge advantage to a high stock price -- it cuts down dramatically on the "day trader effect." It is more difficult for people to cause a day-to-day volatility in the stock when the price is high. However for a Google it probably doesn't matter that much since volatility will be fairly high anyways.
Re:Probably worth it though.... (Score:3, Insightful)
I've always had a full archive of searchable usenet posts.
Product search? Psh we had that in 1991!
Basically, google is a lot more than a damn good web search. It also searches products, news, usenet, and my email! That _is_ innovation.
Meaningless Valuation (Score:4, Insightful)
The world is filled with meaningless measurements that are usually pushed by those that benefit from everyone else's ignorance.
Sad, but true.
Re:Probably worth it though.... (Score:2, Insightful)