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Obsessively Detailed Map Of Springfield 371

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An anonymous reader writes "With all these stories going around about governments' abilities to pinpoint our location via various means, it's quite surprising that one group of people have avoided them for so long. That dastardly family, The Simpsons, have been hidden in Springfield for far too long. Which brings us to the following obsessively detailed map of Springfield. From Jerry Lerma and Terry Hogan: "The mapping of Springfield began in the Spring of 2001 when we realized that no adequate map of Springfield existed either online or in print.""
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Obsessively Detailed Map Of Springfield

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  • But in episode... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by joeldixon66 (808412) * <joel AT jd53 DOT com> on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:39AM (#10243956) Homepage
    Before we get a swag of comments mentioning errors / omissions in the map - I read the following from the article:

    "Due to the many inconsistencies among episodes, the map will never be completely accurate. Although we'd like our map to be as accurate as a map to any imaginary place can be, our main intent is to preserve the comic spirit of Springfield, document its unique identity, and to have some fun at the same time."

    IMO they did a great job! (although wasn't the Simpson's house in eyeshot of ...)
    • Re:But in episode... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:48AM (#10244146)

      although wasn't the Simpson's house in eyeshot of ...

      The nuke plant.
      The Springfield brdige.
      Kwik-E-Mart ...
      • REPOST (Score:5, Informative)

        by gabec (538140) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @08:57AM (#10244897)
        Anyone remember the last time we posted this link? :P http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/27/121423 1
    • MMORPG? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @06:39AM (#10244387)
      Am I the only one that thinks that now that a full map of Springfield is out there its only a matter of time before someone capitalizes and makes a Simpsons MMORPG. All of Springfield could be rendered 100% accurately now. Woo-wee!
      • Re:MMORPG? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by ConceptJunkie (24823) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @07:52AM (#10244573) Homepage Journal
        At the very least, someone could take an engine like CrystalSpace and make a Virtual Springfield, like the non-3D game that came out several years ago. The game was cool, but was too limited, and as a non-3D environment, it used animations to render travelling from point to point rather than doing it on the fly. Using a 3D engine would be far better, like the Simpsons Hit and Run levels on steroids.

        Perhaps a collaborative project where people can submit locations on the map which are compiled together in a single environment. I'd do it, but I'm just a grandiose idea guy. ;-)

      • Re:MMORPG? (Score:4, Informative)

        by DrEldarion (114072) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @08:44AM (#10244822)
        They already have a GTA-like Simpsons game - Hit and Run. Supposedly the Springfield in the game was completely accurate.
        • Re:MMORPG? (Score:3, Interesting)

          by kzinti (9651)
          There is no such thing as "completely accurate". Maybe it was just definitively wrong.

          There are at least two Simpsons driving games: Hit & Run and Road Rage. We have them both for the kids' gamecube, and they're a lot of fun.
        • Re:MMORPG? (Score:3, Informative)

          by ricotest (807136)

          Hardly. Each 'level', of which there about three main ones, is just a loop of road with some side roads/shortcuts and houses around them. Unless Springfield is a collection of three loops of road unconnected in any way, the Springfield in that game was not accurate.

      • Re:MMORPG? (Score:5, Informative)

        by Dr. Mojura (584120) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @09:03AM (#10244939)
        There is a great Simpsons map for Wolfenstein ET [4players.de]. It's not as complete or as detailed as the map here, but it's still pretty cool to be running around through the Simpson house, armed to the teeth!
  • by terriblekarmanow tm (592883) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:39AM (#10243957)
    Who knew they were interested in that kind of stuff
  • repeat (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bitsy Boffin (110334) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:41AM (#10243961) Homepage
    One quick search could have prevented the repeat goodness...

    http://slashdot.org/search.pl?tid=&query=springf ie ld&author=&sort=1&op=stories
  • by FooGoo (98336) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:41AM (#10243962)
    how to get to Moe's
  • by thegoogler (792786) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:41AM (#10243964)
    Doing a map of new new york from futurama?
  • by fname (199759) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:41AM (#10243966) Journal
    I emailed the editors to tell 'em it was a dupe [slashdot.org], but I guess I wass too late. The original story had better info.
  • Wow... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:42AM (#10243971)
    this is even better than the last time it was posted and I looked at it and read the replies and posted my own reply.
  • simpsons hit n run (Score:5, Interesting)

    by shird (566377) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:42AM (#10243972) Homepage Journal
    Why not just have a game of simpsons hit and run? Gives you a pretty detailed 3d look of springfield. And its from the makers, so more reliable.
    • no it wasn't, it was created by radical entertainment here in vancouver.

      i'm sure that the licensee had input into the game's development, but creative freedom had to come in somewhere...even though it is a rip off of another game...so much so they got sued...
    • by wertarbyte (811674)
      And its from the makers, so more reliable.

      So you've never seen the simpsons at all...Springfield itself is moving around, sometimes it's at the ocean, sometimes near the desert or high mountains, the building in springfield are moving, sometimes the simpsons house is next to the quick-e-mart, sometimes next to the power plant, and even the rooms in homers house are changing.

      • by Erasmus Darwin (183180) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @08:28AM (#10244709)
        "Springfield itself is moving around, sometimes it's at the ocean, sometimes near the desert or high mountains,"

        Well, as we saw in "Trash of the Titans" (episode 9.22), Springfield's Plan B for dealing with emergencies is to move the whole town 5 miles down the road. Given how many crises seem to pop up there, it's not unreasonable to assume that they've invoked Plan B on a number of occasions.

      • Springfield itself is moving around, sometimes it's at the ocean, sometimes near the desert or high mountains, the building in springfield are moving...

        As with a lot of TV shows and movies, when you're familiar with Los Angeles you realize how many unintentional Angelisms there are in The Simpsons. LA-based writers forget that a city with an ocean, a desert and mountains seems unusual to a lot of people. Admittedly, while the buildings in LA do move, they don't move as much as they do in Springfield...

  • by gordgekko (574109) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:43AM (#10243975) Homepage
    I don't think there is any consistency to the locations in the series. The Simpsons' house alone has been located in a residential neighbourhood, beside Moe's Tavern and beside the nuclear power plant. How do you create a map where the locations are so fluid?
  • So how long till someone builds a real life Springfield?

    If they do, I'll be a Moe's.
    • Minus the Simpsons, Moes, etc (but *with* the nuclear
      plant!). Springfields (or is it Spring Fields) in
      Northern England (just outside Preston). They make
      nuclear fuel rods.

      (At least they did when I visited to do some consultancy work c.a. 1986).

      Interesting place. Particularly the signs with "Danger! you are now entering a criticality evacuation area" , and the constant beep bop
      of the alarm. You're supposed to panic if it changes from beep bop to god knows what... ... and in 1986 at least it was one of the f
      • by jobsagoodun (669748) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @05:00AM (#10244180)
        I think you're thinking of Sellafield, which is north of Preston. They have funnier accidents than The Simpsons there, and pump Plutonium out into the Irish sea every now and then.
      • by Gordonjcp (186804) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @05:16AM (#10244212) Homepage
        ... and it's a very, very eerie moment. If you're kind of zoned in on something, it's surprisingly easy to ignore even quite loud alarms. If an alarm is as loud as, say, a fire alarm, it can be hard to shout over the top of it if you need to communicate instructions to people. So - make it all go quiet.


        As an aside, a theatre show that my sister worked on (she's a sound and lighting engineer) called for a very deep silence, just as you come into the last act. How do you come up with a silence sound effect? Well, from a minute or two before doors, right the way through, she had some white noise playing through the PA, very quietly but noticeably. Because it was there when you walked into the auditorium, you don't notice it. Then, when you drop it out...

  • Why bother when... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lxt (724570) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:45AM (#10243983) Journal
    ...the writers themselves have said on the DVD commentaries that although in the first few seasons a concious effort was made to keep geography accurate, after that they found it easier (and funnier) just to mess about with it, meaning the Simpsons' house is in many places (next to moes, next to the power plant, etc.).
    • by strider44 (650833)
      In the stonecutters episode, for example, their house was next to the furthest car-parking space in the power plant carpark. I was wondering about that as I was clicking the link - I was bitterly disappointed!
    • by cluke (30394)
      Yep, that about sums up the writers attitude. Do it right for a few seasons then get lazy-ass about it. Next to go was "We tried making it funny for the first few seasons, then found it was easier to just make it wacky"
      • by MrBlackBand (715820) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @11:08AM (#10246123)
        Wacky is funny. The first few seasons were kind of boring. But back then it was still better than most shows. Only now going back to the early episodes do I see how plodding they were.

        The only thing I don't like about current episodes are all the gratuitous celebrity cameos. That's one thing the early episodes got right (have the celebrities play someone besides themselves).

  • This ROCKS. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DrStrangeLug (799458) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:46AM (#10243986)
    Seriously, I love it. Yes, I understand that you can never have an accurate map of Springfield (there are contradictions across episodes) but this is about as good as you can get. BTW, wasn't the Michael Jackson Expressway (formerly the Dali Lama expressway) renamed to the Matlock Expressway ?
  • by CosmeticLobotamy (155360) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @03:49AM (#10243996)
    Can we give these guys some sort of award? Slashdot Medal of Honor or something? That's an impressive amount of nerdness, right there.
  • From Jerry Lerma and Terry Hogan: "The mapping of Springfield began in the Spring of 2001 when we realized that no adequate map of Springfield existed either online or in print.""

    Bah. I think they just started doing it once came out because they needed a map for the game. [simpsonsroadrage.com]
  • by IntelliTubbie (29947) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:01AM (#10244031)
    The map was originally going to indicate what state Springfield is in. Unfortunately, the margins were too small to contain it.

    Cheers,
    IT
    • imho one of the funniest things they ever did was to finally name the state as Kentucky [snpp.com] in the 11th season finale... leaving the fan community in an uproar all summer, only to change the line to "Missouri" when the episode re-aired prior to the season opener several months later. F*cking genius.

      mitch

      • You're missing the even more subtle joke: the episode says "...this kentucky/missouri family..." referring to their quote-unquote real life status, not the characters they supposedly portray in the show.

        Remember, the show essentially posited that its not animated, but rather enacted by a real family. As such, wherever the 'real' family is located/from, the show they act in may be in a different location.
  • hey.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Spatula Sam (770957) * on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:02AM (#10244036)
    there's no Flanders' house! What gives?
  • by martin-boundary (547041) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:03AM (#10244040)
    Even Google has headquarters in Springfield! (look on the big map, next to the Springfield mall)
  • Why doesn't this map specify the state Springfield is in?
    • That's what I was wondering. There are several episodes where they refer to the state, and even almost say the state name. There's one where Lisa says it's easy to figure it out if you follow the clues. Anybody got any theories on what state Springfield is in?
      • Well, the map has a couple highways and interstates in it... surely you could figure out which springfields are on those roads to narrow it down.
      • Re:State? YES (Score:3, Informative)

        by badasscat (563442)
        That's what I was wondering. There are several episodes where they refer to the state, and even almost say the state name.

        They don't only "almost" say it - in episode 248 they do say it. It's Kentucky.

        In another episode there's a line about something being "south of the border", and Bart says "you mean Tennessee?" Which also supports the Kentucky answer - not that it needed to be, as again, it's specifically said in episode 248. But some people believe that episode to be entirely apocryphal - certainl
        • Re:State? YES (Score:5, Informative)

          by wertarbyte (811674) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @05:34AM (#10244248) Homepage
          They don't only "almost" say it - in episode 248 they do say it. It's Kentucky.

          No, they don't. They tell you where the actors playing "The Simpsons" live, but not where the show takes place. Let's see what SNPP [snpp.com] has to say about it:

          In the first airing of [BABF19], "Behind The Laughter", the narrator gave Springfield's location as Northern Kentucky. For the second and later airings, this changed to Southern Missouri. Neither of these are admissible locations for Springfield, for the many reasons listed later in this document.

          What's the explanation? This episode is not canon. It portrays the show not as a cartoon created by Matt Groening, but as a live-action sitcom originally written by Homer and starring his own family. None of what happens is part of the main Simpsons continuity... just like any Halloween Special.

  • by Chmarr (18662) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:09AM (#10244055)
    Here's a new slasdot game for everyone...

    Pick a day of the year. Perhaps your birthday. On that day of the year, you submit the aformentioned Simpson's site to Slashdot, and lets see how long the editor's memory lasts before they consider this 'news' and include it in Slashdot.
  • by tod_miller (792541) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:19AM (#10244079) Journal
    I wonder if they used hit and run as a source of this.

    I would love to make this a GTA3 map... mod characters, there is a great GTA modding community, damn fine programmers too.

    Well, back to the map (they haven't got routing or landmarks sorted out, but I guess they are working on it)
  • by tod_miller (792541) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:25AM (#10244092) Journal
    Courtesy of map quest ;-)

    Springfield, MA [mapquest.com]
  • Only bridge? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Fortress (763470) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @04:26AM (#10244094) Homepage
    Where's the only bridge out of town?

    From the episode "Bart's Comet"
    http://www.snpp.com/episodes/2F11.html

    I see at least three bridges.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @05:18AM (#10244215)
    A google search of Slashdot springfield map [google.co.kr] brings up the previous story as the first hit.

    So, if I may be so bold as to suggest the following before posting slashdot stories from now on...

    1. Find two or three of the most relevent keywords, you know, the kinds of words likely to repeat themselves in multiple submissions.

    2. Go to google. You can find google at www.google.com. Here is a hyperlink to www.google.com [google.com]. Here is a definition of the word "hyperlink". [m-w.com]

    3. Assuming you haven't forgotten the important keywords from step 1, proceed to step 4. Otherwise, return to step 1. If this is the third or fourth time reaching step 3, you might want to consider finding a paper and pencil. If you already had a paper and pencil, then you might want to consider using them to write down the keywords.

    4. Now, with those words you've remembered (or written down) from step 1, go into the text box in the middle of that www.google.com webpage. Type in the following:
    Slashdot Keyword1 Keyword2 Keyword3

    5. If these [google.com] are your search results, hit back on your web browser, and then type in the following:
    Slashdot Keyword1 Keyword2 Keyword3
    ONLY THIS TIME, replace the three keywords with the words that you remembered, or copied down, from step 1.

    6. Finally, have a look at some of the results to see if a slashdot story has already been posted on the submission you've just gotten. If there is a story, do not post the submitted story unless there is some information in the new submission that makes it somehow more relevent.

    Good luck, God speed, and don't forget to vote Republican.
  • Great.... (Score:3, Funny)

    by ribo-bailey (724061) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @05:45AM (#10244264) Homepage
    Now it's just a matter of time until there is a massivly multiplayer game based on this map.
  • by darien (180561) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [neirad]> on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @05:58AM (#10244307)
    we realized that no adequate map of Springfield existed either online or in print

    Now those are some geeks. Adequate for what??
  • Wikipedia (Score:5, Funny)

    by rudy_wayne (414635) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @06:16AM (#10244340)
    This belongs under the definiton of "WAY WAY WAY too much free time on your hands" and "REALLY REALLY need to get a life".

  • Patriot Act (Score:5, Funny)

    by dpilot (134227) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @07:40AM (#10244523) Homepage Journal
    Now we just have to hope that this map doesn't get put to terrorist uses. Maybe Homer should moonlight for DHS, next season.
  • by Teechur007 (305420) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @08:31AM (#10244727)
    The PS2 has 2 games now that are fairly detailed: "Crash & Burn" [eagames.com] and "Hit & Run." [hitandrungame.com] While the maps are not the most accurate, perhaps, they are still immense in their scope and accuracy of detail. (at least in terms of buildings that have been featured in the show).
  • by Hoi Polloi (522990) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @09:22AM (#10245125) Journal
    Worst map ever!
  • by Russ Nelson (33911) <slashdot@russnelson.com> on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @10:17AM (#10245599) Homepage
    So where is the georeferencing information? I want a World File!!
    -russ
  • by Ancient Devices King (469802) on Tuesday September 14, 2004 @02:00PM (#10248093)
    The first thing I thought when I looked at the overview map was that it looks *just* like I would imaging the pullout map of Grand Theft Auto: Springfield would look.

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