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George Lucas Speaks on Trilogy Changes 759

Warlock7 writes "Yahoo has posted an interview with George Lucas by the AP on the changes to the original trilogy from the new DVD box set. They also discuss the future of the franchise and the direction he intends to take it."
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George Lucas Speaks on Trilogy Changes

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  • ironic hilarity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by boarder ( 41071 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:27PM (#10277471) Homepage
    Here is a story on IMDb about Lucas and his thoughts on Hollywood:
    post at IMDb [imdb.com]

    Choice quote from the master of looks over substance: (Hollywood is) "making hugely inefficient movies for great amounts of money and they aren't creatively very interesting."

    I wonder if the people who say one thing and do another (like Lucas and the Douchebag of Liberty, Robert Novak) realize they are doing it or if they truly think they are special and doing the right thing.
  • by Gogl ( 125883 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:28PM (#10277474) Journal
    "Lucas: The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it. ... I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I'm the one who has to take responsibility for it. I'm the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they're going to throw rocks at me, they're going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished."

    Yeah. Suuuure. You're an artiste, and you must complete your work! That must be it. Nevermind that to most artists, integrity means keeping their original work untainted. And nevermind how your tweaks and changes, well, are largely either stupid glitz or just plain stupid. Han shoots first, damnit.

    Please please please, don't reward Lucas's shenanigans by buying the DVDs.
  • by RyuuzakiTetsuya ( 195424 ) <taiki@c o x .net> on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:30PM (#10277488)
    Big deal. It's out on VHS and laserdisc.

    I really thought that those words were brave, it seemed like he didn't mind alienating the fanbase in favor of his own artistic vision.
  • by StefanJ ( 88986 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:32PM (#10277520) Homepage Journal
    Man, I'm really coming to dispise this guy.

    Read the unauthorized bio, Sky Walking, to get an idea of the changes that _Star Wars_ went through during its conception. No, the whole thing didn't occur to him in a flash with only technology holding him back from implementing it.

    Like pretty much everybody, he made it up as he went along.

    Even more pathetic: Why hasn't he done anything elese? Speilberg, love him or hate him, has gone beyond his kiddie-film origins, branched out and done lots of different sorts of films. He's grown up. He doesn't deal in comfortable bullshit any more.

    Lucas, he's put a clothespin on his nose, settled in a bed of comfortable bullshit, and thinks he's doing us a favor by inviting us in.

    Stefan
  • In fairness .... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:33PM (#10277533) Homepage
    As much as I don't really like that he's gone back in time and changed things, I can see his point of view.

    I can also see why he's not willing to spend millions of dollars and a lot of time touching up the original version. But that's because he would want to give it the whole THX treatment as well as the digital touch up.

    However, if he just did zero work on it and just put it on disk, I can't see it being too difficult to do. Not that Lucas would ever release a completely stripped down, un-fancy movie.

  • I call bullshit.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:35PM (#10277572) Homepage Journal
    on "And even most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work now.".

    they'd like to do NEW WORK...

    "I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore." umm. yeah sure.

    "Ultimately, I'm going to probably move it into television and let other people take it." -> "I've noticed that pokemon is a hell of a money making machine and that it's really important to get to the kids every saturday morning"

    disclaimer: the special editions aren't really that bad(they're done professionally after all and there's no yar yar..), but the reasoning the guy makes is just weak. though, for me the best stuff in the star wars universe were the games(more specifially, tie fighter) and books(the few good ones of them) - neither of which really happened in lucas's universe.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:38PM (#10277613)
    I remember how lucas changed this for the special edition because in the orig han walked around a CGI jabba but if taking to be real it would seem han is walking straight THROUGH jabba the huts tail! Lucas' fix was rubbish tho han sort of just nudged up then down and a new CGI jabba just sort of went OOWCH O_o

    Thing is it looked unnatural and fake. I hope lucas fixes it again because IMO both the origonal and SE both didnt look right.
  • by WormholeFiend ( 674934 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:41PM (#10277652)
    Lucas: Just because the market has shifted so dramatically. A lot of people are getting very worried about piracy. That has really eaten dramatically into the sales. It really just came down to, there may not be a market when I wanted to bring it out, which was like, three years from now. So rather than just sit by and watch the whole thing fall apart, better to bring it out early and get it over with.

    My bold. I wonder what the MPAA's take is on this...
  • by Wampus Aurelius ( 627669 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:43PM (#10277672)
    AP: After "Episode III," will you ever revisit "Star Wars"?

    Lucas: Ultimately, I'm going to probably move it into television and let other people take it. I'm sort of preserving the feature film part for what has happened and never go there again, but I can go off into various offshoots and things. You know, I've got offshoot novels, I've got offshoot comics. So it's very easy to say, "Well, OK, that's that genre, and I'll find a really talented person to take it and create it." Just like the comic books and the novels are somebody else's way of doing it. I don't mind that. Some of it might turn out to be pretty good. If I get the right people involved, it could be interesting.

    The Clone Wars cartoons on Cartoon Network are really good; here's hoping that more product like that comes out in the future.

  • Re:Quoth George: (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Zorilla ( 791636 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:44PM (#10277679)
    Some scenes in the new Star Wars movies make me wonder if Lucas is really thinking outside the box. One scene that comes to mind is where Obi Wan goes to visit an old friend who runs a diner that looks waaay too much like a typical American roadside diner. Surely there could have been a more far reaching idea than that. It is supposed to be on another galaxy.
  • by Chordonblue ( 585047 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:49PM (#10277738) Journal
    "AP: Why did you change your mind and decide to put the original three movies out on DVD now?

    Lucas: Just because the market has shifted so dramatically. A lot of people are getting very worried about piracy. That has really eaten dramatically into the sales. "

    Oh man, my bullshit-0-meter just went off the scale. Time to use 'Lucasian' calibration...

    The first time I saw Star Wars at home was when a certain relative of mine showed his in-theatre shot Beta version of it - that was in 1980. It's not like piracy is some new phenomenon - it's been around in various forms since media became available.

    He's releasing it now because it's the perfect time to do so. With the THX-1138 remake and the 'Sith' movie around the corner, this is the ultimate 'hype' time. Well, at least until the HD versions appear...

    buy, Buy, BUY CONSUMER!

  • Zahn Trilogy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by niola ( 74324 ) <jon@niola.net> on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:53PM (#10277784) Homepage
    I been re-reading the Zahn trilogy and I tell you, I would LOVE to see that turned into a film with someone else directing it. Let Lucas be exec producer with Timothy Zahn, but let's get some fresh blood in to direct. Let someone like Peter Jackson try his had at it :)
  • Too much whining (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ramk13 ( 570633 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @12:55PM (#10277798)
    There's way too much whining in this thread. I don't like the changes, but honestly its his movie, not yours. It doesn't matter if you had some life changing experience or epiphany when you saw it. You don't own the story. If he wants to release a new version where Jar-Jar makes a cameo during the "I'm your father" scene, then so be it. You still have your movie and your moment. He can't take that away from you. Just enjoy it instead of calling him stupid (or other unoriginal insult) because you disagree with his changes.

    The fact that you can still see the original movie if you want is what takes my sympathy away from the whiners. It's not as if Leonardo was painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa. At worst it's like Leonardo using new technology to make a Mona Lisa II with a mustache and then selling it. Who cares. The original is still the original.

    If you are that desparate for DVD, find the best available source (laserdisc, old print) and pay for the transfer yourself. Why does he have to subsidize the transfer for you?

    (End rant. Willing to take a karma hit to get a clean swipe at the whiners.)
  • by Earlybird ( 56426 ) <slashdot @ p u r e f i c t ion.net> on Friday September 17, 2004 @01:01PM (#10277854) Homepage
    • AP: Why did you change your mind and decide to put the original three movies out on DVD now?

      Lucas: Just because the market has shifted so dramatically. A lot of people are getting very worried about piracy. That has really eaten dramatically into the sales. It really just came down to, there may not be a market when I wanted to bring it out, which was like, three years from now. So rather than just sit by and watch the whole thing fall apart, better to bring it out early and get it over with.

    Does this strike anyone else as incredibly short-sighted? Never mind that he's saying right out that the reason for putting out the DVDs are purely financial. But he also suspects that nobody will be making money on publishing movies in three years' time. He clearly doesn't care about putting out a physical box set for fans to cherish on their mantelpieces, before the time comes when publishing anything physical is no longer feasible: he's talking about money.

  • by Skyshadow ( 508 ) * on Friday September 17, 2004 @01:05PM (#10277896) Homepage
    The real horror of this is that we are potentially facing an *extinction* of the real films. These "special editions" are already becoming the versions you see on TV and they're the only versions you can really buy anywhere. The original might exist someplace, but if you can't see it, it might as well not.

    Back when I was in college, I got the letterbox VHS versions (this is right before the first "special editions" were reissued) and my college ACM chapter had a fund-raiser where we showed the films on a big-screen TV with a big sound system and pizza and whatever.

    To my surprise, the main people who showed weren't students, but parents who were bringing their little kids to watch Star Wars for the first time. It was really cool to watch someone's first reaction to this stuff that a lot of us knew by heart.

    I have to wonder: Will my kids be able to see the real version of the films, or are they going to be stuck with these inferior versions? How long can my VHS versions last? I watched 'em again last month -- they're already showing wear.

    It's a cultural loss on the same level as if Wells had burned "Citizen Kane" after it got a few bad reviews. These are *the* defining movies of that generation.

  • by benzapp ( 464105 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @01:14PM (#10278003)
    The real horror of this is that we are potentially facing an *extinction* of the real films.

    Is it really a horror?

    I mean, books and stories have been altered over time for thousands of years. Why should movies be this stagnant work of art?

    Maybe if you think of them as painting or statues... but still, I don't think its horrific.

  • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Friday September 17, 2004 @01:21PM (#10278079) Homepage Journal
    I wrote for a paper once, my columns were regularly 'edited'* to fit the available page space. Read some the pedant should read some newspaper articles some time and wonder why certain things are repeated and restated in different words, the answer is because the writer has no idea what will eventually end up in print, after so many inches it's usually drivel.

    I'd had enough and decided my words were to valuable to be so butchered so I left for another profession, programmer, where I could work for hours or weeks on a project just to see it die anyway.

    * Chopped, Hacked, Mangled, etc. to make writer look like damn fool.

  • Harrison's Opinion (Score:5, Interesting)

    by uberdave ( 526529 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @01:34PM (#10278224) Homepage
    Lately I've been wondering what Harrison Ford's opinion on this whole Han/Greedo shoots first controversy is. Anybody know?
  • Re:Quoth George: (Score:5, Interesting)

    by EpsCylonB ( 307640 ) <eps&epscylonb,com> on Friday September 17, 2004 @01:45PM (#10278339) Homepage
    Can't remember who said it...

    "The secret of great sci fi is that it isn't commenting on the future, its commenting on the present."
  • by dosius ( 230542 ) <bridget@buric.co> on Friday September 17, 2004 @01:48PM (#10278373) Journal
    Several people have made DVD-Rs and VIDEO_TS torrents of the original trilogy.

    I might point out the petition to get the original Star Wars released in its original edition [originaltrilogy.com]. Sign, sign, sign! XDDDDD

    Moll.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17, 2004 @02:09PM (#10278671)
    You do realize that The Hobbit was written and printed before 1938, and that the Lord of the Rings wasn't finished until the 1950's right?
  • by dosius ( 230542 ) <bridget@buric.co> on Friday September 17, 2004 @02:16PM (#10278756) Journal
    From what I've heard, MagnoliaFan (he of "Balance of the Force") is working on restoring the 1977 version against the best possible video sources. This I've got to see.

    Moll.
  • Re:Quoth George: (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tassach ( 137772 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @02:23PM (#10278832)
    Mos Eisley canteen also looks a bit like a bikers bar somewhere along Route-66
    Actually, the Mos Eisley canteen scene is almost an exact line-for-line rehash of a similar scene from the Kurosawa film Yojimbo. Yojimbo is probably the most ripped-off movie in history. A Fistful of Dollars, Miller's Crossing, and Last Man Standing are all remakes of this classic.
  • by Midnight Thunder ( 17205 ) * on Friday September 17, 2004 @02:36PM (#10278977) Homepage Journal
    Original Star wars: story about the Jedis vs the evil empire (good film)
    1st generation 'tweaks': story the same, with added footage, which looks like crap
    2nd genertation 'tweaks': story changed slightly, more crap scenes added

    continuing along this line of Lucas not being able to leave the films along:

    100th generation 'tweaks': Film looks like it was originally done totally in CGI, not real actors and the the film is totally crap. People bought the last 99 iterations, so Lucas and co. thought 'new characters: even more franchise money'.

    Heck, had Leonardo DaVinci had the same approach as Lucas, then the Mona Lisa would have had a moustache and other poor additions.

    Please George Lucas release the orginal cut on DVD!!!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 17, 2004 @02:51PM (#10279146)
    The second version must be correct. If Han had pursued a doctrine of preemption, it could be argued that he never really knew for sure that Greedo's gun was or wasn't loaded (and the fact that in the orignal, he didn't check Greedo's gun afterwards just goes to show how insensitive he really was).

    (Score:-5, Conservative)
  • Re:Quoth George: (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Coryoth ( 254751 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @03:52PM (#10279751) Homepage Journal
    That's the only scene that comes to mind for me as well - Though I can see some similarities. Mostly in the bragging language used by the young toughs, and the very calm attitude of Sanjuro compares well with Obi Wan once he tries to bail Luke out of trouble. Certainly not a direct rip off, but some very clear influences.

    One must remember that while Star Wars was based on Hidden Fortress, the Mifune character in that case was split to create both Han and Obi Wan (the two sides of a complex character become two separate characters). I think, in turn Mifune's character in Yojimbo and Sanjuro was an influence on Both Han and Obi Wan. I would suggest this to be a very strong argument for Lucas' having Han shoot first - consider the scene we're discussing in front of Seibei's shop - a similar fairly callous approach by our hero.

    Jedidiah.
  • by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) ( 613870 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @04:01PM (#10279847) Journal
    That's from George Lucas and it typifies what I've always believed about directors - they work best when under financial and artistic constraints. A great example is The Matrix. The Wachowskis had a fairly limited budget and created a masterpiece. For the sequels they had a vastly larger budget and made turkeys. In fact, I think their best movie was the fairly low budget Bound. The same is true of many other directors including Lucas. Left to their own devices they'll make a mess of things. It really makes me cringe when a director says "now I can make the movie I've always wanted to make". When that happens you get self-indulgent crap. But the goal of film is to indulge the audience, not the director.
  • by dasmegabyte ( 267018 ) <das@OHNOWHATSTHISdasmegabyte.org> on Friday September 17, 2004 @04:04PM (#10279874) Homepage Journal
    Some authors *DO* change their works throughout their lives. Walt Whitman only wrote one book -- Leaves of Grass -- which he added to and changed constantly, releasing different versions throughout his life.

    Of course, Walt Whitman was an artist, and Lucas is a fucking hack of a producer who should let his directors, editors and cinematographers do their job and make his films into more than just a perfect version of one man's ambitious imagination.
  • by pteaxwa ( 126635 ) on Friday September 17, 2004 @09:23PM (#10282112)
    Aldous Huxley wrote this in regard to a later edition of Brave New World:

    To pore over the literary shortcomings of twenty years ago, to attempt to patch a faulty work into perfection it missed at its first execution, to spend one's middle age in trying to mend the artistic sins committed and bequeathed by that different person who was oneself in youth - all this is surely vain and futile. And that is why this new Brave New World is the same as the old one. Its defects as a work of art are considerable; but in order to correct them I should have to rewrite the book - and in the process of rewriting, as an older, other person, I should probably get rid not only of some of the faults of the story, but also of such merits as it originally possessed. And so, resisting temptation to wallow in artistic remorse, I prefer to leave both well and ill alone and to think about something else.

    Too bad Lucas didn't read that before engaging in the Special Edition movies.
    Of course, the taste of vomit in my mouth, post Lucas abominations, has really gotten quite tolerable.
  • by Sunnan ( 466558 ) <sunnan@handgranat.org> on Saturday September 18, 2004 @08:37AM (#10284300) Homepage Journal
    I've been thinking about that...
    The prequel trilogy seems to be more extreme than the original. Will it really work to watch them in the supposed chronological order? (Of course, the movies will go from worse to better, that's one advantage...)

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