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US Judge Strikes Down Bootleg Law 312

lee writes "BBC News reports briefly on a federal judge declaring a 10-year-old anti-bootlegging law unconstitutional, because it sets no limits on the length of copyright of live performances, and grants "seemingly perpetual protection" to copyright holders."
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US Judge Strikes Down Bootleg Law

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  • If everybody (Score:3, Interesting)

    by red_kola ( 754890 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @01:00PM (#10349076)
    just took the Grateful Dead's enlightened position then there wouldn't be a problem.

    I hate the Grateful Dead, but their attitude to the recording and distribution of their live performances is spot on!
  • by anonieuweling ( 536832 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @01:01PM (#10349080)
    HMmm. Too bad the $$$-based lobby is listed to too much, in the USA. Can anybody tell me what the years _before_ my puberty were like w.r.t. legislation in global context? What about (c), trade, patents, money(laundring), privacy, etc? The past few years look SO bad so I want to check if this is a trend or a change
  • by turnstyle ( 588788 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @01:03PM (#10349095) Homepage
    Isn't it worth noting that this was a *record dealer* and was *selling* unauthorized copies of the shows.

    What, that's now ok too?

  • by awing0 ( 545366 ) <adamNO@SPAMbadtech.org> on Saturday September 25, 2004 @01:15PM (#10349176) Homepage
    I agree with you in general, the quality of live recordings leaves a lot to be desired. However, I hold on to some live recordings because bands sometimes play unreleased songs, do covers, and add quirks into existing songs. Also, some up and coming bands only have live recordings of their songs, having not been able to afford studio time yet. Of course, the up and coming bands usually encourage free distribution of their music.

  • by One Childish N00b ( 780549 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @01:19PM (#10349205) Homepage
    Many people want recordings of live performances they've been to, just as a souvenir, kinda like you might buy a T-shirt there, too, or any other article of merchandise. Other people will just buy bootlegs of live performances of certain bands because that makes them more 'hardcore' than fans who just buy the albums in the shops. Thirdly, some bands perform songs live that will never see the light of day on an official album, and so bootlegs are the only way to hear them.

    Secondly, I find most bootlegs are recorded off the soundboard and not some guy with a casette player in the crowd - maybe I just like lenient bands or perhaps I've just been lucky - Bootlegs recorded from the crowd are notoriously awful.

    I think bootlegs are really only for the hardcore fans - regular people won't want them or wont have the will to seek them out. But if you're a dedicated fan, and owning everything there is to possibly own to do with your favourite band is important to you, then a good bootleg of a great performance is more than worth the money.
  • by idesofmarch ( 730937 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @01:36PM (#10349317)
    Why should a recording of a live performance have any greater copyright protection than a pressed music CD? Under the current law, 1000 years from now, that recording of the live performance would still fall under protection, which is probably unconstitutional.
  • by caldfyr ( 814077 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @01:55PM (#10349454)
    Because the recording shouldn't exist. If the artist wants to have a cd burner farm behind the stage that tosses mixboard recordings into the crowd, then that's fine and great.

    You aren't understanding the situation. It isn't the recording of the live performance that has protection. Eric Clapton's live recordings that you can buy off Amazon have the same protection as his studio work. The problem is that with bootlegs, the artists aren't getting a say in whether a recording is made of their concert. If they wanted a live recording of their concert, they would exlicitly allow the listeners to make their own, or publish it themselves and make some more money off of their own efforts Terrible, I know. Why can't more artists take vows of poverty...

    When someone who hasn't received permission to records the concert, that makes the recording illegal because it violates the artist's copyright.

    When a concert is televised, do you think the networks didn't receive permission to do so? If they didn't, people would be charged, fined, and sued into bankruptsy. It is the same concept, just not on as grand of a scale.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 25, 2004 @02:35PM (#10349706)
    You don't trust Moore's stuff? Great for you!

    I, for one, am saddened that most people don't investigate issues they care about; whichever side of the fence they stand on. Moore, in my opinion, twisted things around in BfC a little too much (and I'm a Democrat), but also in my opinion, he did pretty good in F-9/11.

    It's like McCain bitching to Moore at the Repblican party thing-a-magig. He never even seen the movie, and just jumped to conclusions.

    If people would just investigate a LITTLE more, the world would be a better place.
  • Re:That's weird... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by 10101001 10101001 ( 732688 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @03:01PM (#10349888) Journal
    I'm not sure I understand your logic. You say it's illegal to make a copy of a live performance because it's a broadcast. But then, isn't every recording made a copy of a broadcast, be it made by your voice, others voices, or off some broadcast mechanism like the internet/telephone/radio. If I'm just recording myself talking and the radio is on, am I violating the law? It seems to me that it's really hard to claim that it is because fundamentally you're making it very difficult for people to ever record anything.

    It'd seem that such a recording would clearly then fall as illegal/legal based on fair use. Ie, recording a concert you went to to relive it surely is for personal, non-commercial use and would likely be fair use. So would having background music you're singing to in a recording that you end up playing for your friends some times. But, when you start selling such recordings, it seems reasonable to see that as illegal because it's against fair use.

    I'd assume that the ban was put in place to stop personal use and to better clarify that bootlegs couldn't be sold. Case-law, though, should have been sufficient though, given how clear selling bootlegs is commercial which almost always innately throws out the exception of fair use.
  • by Ohreally_factor ( 593551 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @03:12PM (#10349969) Journal
    That is the sort of errant pedantry up with which I will not put.
  • How CNN thinks (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PetoskeyGuy ( 648788 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @03:53PM (#10350204)
    Not mention in Technology
    Not mention in Law
    CNN/Money has the story [cnn.com]
  • by stud9920 ( 236753 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @04:11PM (#10350325)
    ...is like shoplifting in Disneyland. It would be stupid to actively prosecute it.

    Try stealing some minor toy at Disneyland. If you don't steal a 2m high Winnie the Pooh, they will let you get away with it. Just because the tagline "Disneyland, the kingdom of dreams where they jail poor shoplifting kids" just wouldn't fit.

    In the same perspective, would you go to a concert of that cool rebel band that will put you to jail for making some shitty recording ? Don't think so.
  • Come back! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by StarKruzr ( 74642 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @06:25PM (#10351175) Journal
    I hope you have the pid of this post saved somewhere, because I'd like to ask you something since you're a pro-RIAA recording artist and all.

    Suppose I like your music and want to support you without supporting the RIAA and your record label.

    How do I go about doing this? Take it for granted that I've already downloaded your music. If I went ahead and bought $25 or so in merch, would that settle your need to get compensated for your work?
  • by youaredan ( 668702 ) on Saturday September 25, 2004 @11:38PM (#10352882) Homepage
    well said, well said - but asserting your rights in a system bent on breaking them adds you to the list of hard cases demanding harrassment... to stand up for freedom is one thing, to play dead to get the system to go away so you CAN be free is a whole nother story.

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