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Television Media Announcements

TiVo to Go Released 238

SimCityHippy wrote to us with the news that TiVo has TiVo To Go. Right now, the To Go feature is supported only on Windows XP & Win2k; no word on whether the feature will be rolled out to OS X or WinME. It's also interesting to note that while they recommend Windows MP, VLC gets a nod as well.
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TiVo to Go Released

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  • by wapanesechick ( 843304 ) <Jecais1@yahoo.com> on Monday January 03, 2005 @08:57AM (#11243580)
    Sir, do you have that project I asked for? Not quite.... What are you doing...... Nothing... Are you watching TV? This is what's going to happen in office everywhere!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 03, 2005 @09:03AM (#11243606)
    I've been doing this for a coupel months now with my ReplayTV.
  • WMP Requirement? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Atrophis ( 103390 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @09:06AM (#11243619) Homepage
    This makes me think there is some DRM used somewhere in this system. I am sure they would not be doing this without some kind of copy management in there.

    I guess I will find out when I get home. ;)
  • by Wordsmith ( 183749 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @09:12AM (#11243642) Homepage
    The fact that this is even a point of concern shows that we've been conditioned to accept new norms for IP.

    Burning to DVD is a problem for the studios? Yes. They'll certainly fight for DRM or other limitations. But why should it be this way? For years and years everyone KNEW they had a right to videotape whatever they pleased for their own personal collections. Many fans of shows videotaped every episode, and kept a complete personal archive. In what way is it different to do this with a Tivo and DVD than it is with a videotape? Hell, leave out the middleman - there are plenty of DVD recorder decks now available for consumers, and they work more or less like VCRs.

    But we've gotten to a point where we assume that just because the studios have found a business model, anything that rips into it is fair game for litigation. And the studios might win such litigation. And that's just sad.
  • by AKnightCowboy ( 608632 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @09:35AM (#11243739)
    Haven't you wondered why TiVo is getting so much press about this when ReplayTV already had these features?

    Not at all. Especially on Slashdot, people seem to have blinders on that TiVo == DVR. They even use TiVo as a verb. I really don't understand it either since there are other alternatives to TiVo like ReplayTV or even free ones like MythTV. Why do people so vehemently defend TiVo even when they do stupid things like announce wanting to put commercials on while you fast forward and openly oppose copying the shows off your system in order to archive them? BTW, "Hacks" don't count, that functionality should be built into the system to let you copy the digital movie format off the hard drive and transfer it to your PC with little trouble.

  • by mrterrysilver ( 826735 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @09:38AM (#11243758) Homepage
    the average person doesn't have the time or know-how to tivo all their shows, transfer them to their pc, and burn them all to dvds. lets face it, that's not a trival thing to 90% of people out there. so basically it boils down to most people will throw down ~$30 to buy a dvd season thats already made for them... and it even comes with a pretty box with dvd menus, extras and all.

    the bad part is even though the entertainment industry realizes this fact, they still want to cripple any capabilites which are perfectly legal under fair-use laws. right now geeks are the only people that will use these capabilities, loading up their portable devices with media and watching episodes of seinfeld and ali g on the subway.... but in the future that will likely change and unfortunately the mass population won't realize until then that the entertainment industry has stolen all of their fair use rights
  • So is world peace. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ChaosMt ( 84630 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @09:55AM (#11243848) Homepage
    This answer reminds me of a politician promising to deliver world peace without making any specific measurable promise. In other words, don't count on it any time soon. TivoToGo was promised a year ago to be release a half year ago. If I remember right, the rumor sites were saying the mac side of it was a problem not because apple wasn't cooperative, but because the OS doesn't have the DRM built in as deeply. This issue is a big problem for Tivo. Tivo has a much greater share of mac users than the general population. They're taunting 1/3 of their customer base.
  • by Eclypser ( 618863 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @10:02AM (#11243885)
    I guess it's time to consider the replay 5xxx series dead now. Tivo finally has everything that made replay special. With no new developments on the horizon from Replay I guess it's time to say R.I.P.
    Replay TV 5xxx series 2003-2004

    P.S. May you be reborn in a 6xxx series with support for viewing ALL media formats available on your network. Including documents.
  • by jedidiah ( 1196 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @10:20AM (#11243980) Homepage
    I would say: Don't try to squeeze blood from a turnip. Stop trying to make an ass out of yourself and antagonize future customers. Realize that pirated copies do not infact equate to sales that would have otherwise occured.

    That's exactly what I say/think when EA whines about piracy of titles that have MY name on them.

    Rampant piracy is not what distinguishes the 50K title from the 5M one, lameness is.

    Anyone in the industry has sufficient information that this should be painfully obvious.
  • by Octagon Most ( 522688 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @10:55AM (#11244224)
    "Yes, but how do you justify paying $13/month for just a program guide which is free on tv.yahoo.com or your cable provider's site?"

    I justify the TiVo monthly service expense for the convenience. It's fairly easy to understand if you start from the premise that you and I place different values on nearly everything - Starbucks coffee, restaurant meals, cars, mortgages, computers, etc. But mostly for me it's about valuing time and convenience. Although I am technically capable of doing so, I have no desire to assemble, configure, and maintain a homebrew PVR system. My wife and seven year old son can operate the TiVo. That has value to me as well. And a free programming guide from Yahoo, or printed weekly in the newspaper, does not compare to the simplicity of a few clicks to keep the TiVo full of fresh episodes of the Magic Treehouse and SpongeBob.

    "Or keeping a landline for TiVo to use when you probably already have broadband and a cell phone?"

    I plugged a USB 802.11b adapter into the TiVo and it utilizes my wireless network. That enables TiVo to stream photos and music from iPhoto and iTunes which the aforementioned wife enjoys. Her happiness = my happiness. And not messing up the most basic home entertainment needs trumps my geek impulses.

    "If MythTV is too complicated to setup, just get the cheapest Windows PC and use whatever PVR program comes with the TV tuner. Might want to throw in a wireless keyboard+trackpad."

    What's exciting to you is frightening to me. I'd rather pay the $13 a month. But I am glad that options exist so we can all benefit.
  • by Wordsmith ( 183749 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @11:29AM (#11244485) Homepage
    No, it was because the VCR allowed for substantial non-infringing uses ... just like tivo+tivo2go+dvd does. There's no infringement in keeping your own personal copy of data the content providers sent you over the air or over cable lines. You can even edit the content - remove the commercials or create your own version of the Phantom Edit. Just don't redistribute it - that's copyright infringement.

    And this stands true whether we're talking about perfect digital reproductions (which we're usually not with over the air and cable recordings, but as HDTV and digital cable become more common, maybe we will be eventually). The principle isn't dictated by the quality of the recording, or how long you expect to keep it, or the ease of redistribution. Keeping your own personal copy is ALWAYS ok. Redistributing it without permission is ALWAYS infringement. That's the distinction made when the courts talk about fair use copies.

    After all, even in the pre-everything-is-digital age, you could still create a remarkably good copy with a high-end video deck and good cables/components to reduce line noise. And you could sell them for a few bucks on the street. It wouldn't be legal, and infringers were often punished/sued, but the tech was there.

  • by milkman_matt ( 593465 ) on Monday January 03, 2005 @01:04PM (#11245510)
    Especially on Slashdot, people seem to have blinders on that TiVo == DVR. They even use TiVo as a verb. I really don't understand it either since there are other alternatives to TiVo like ReplayTV or even free ones like MythTV. Why do people so vehemently defend TiVo

    First off, I'll preface this with the fact that I went from cable, to DirecTV, to DirecTiVo, and back to cable, then finally to a cable supplied DVR. What i've found is that the TiVo DVRs have such a major following because they ARE -that much- better. My cable DVR is no more special than a f'ing VCR. You can record a particular show, or record it every time it shows on that channel. However it's not as simple as with TiVo where you say "season pass" then type in the first couple letters to find it, then you're done. On this DVR you actually need to go find a point where that show is playing on the channel you want it on, then hit record, then start assigning recordings. That is my most major gripe.

    Secondly, the menuing system BLOWS on my new DVR. It's nowhere near as friendly as the TiVo's. I can't cite anything at the moment, as I gave my TiVo away since I couldn't get DirecTV anymore, but I do know that I'm nowhere near as comfortable with this menuing system as I was with the TiVo.

    I also like how TiVo will record recommendations for you. I've found some really cool shows that way. I do miss that damned machine.. :~( I Think I'll need to just get a cable one.

    BTW, "Hacks" don't count, that functionality should be built into the system to let you copy the digital movie format off the hard drive and transfer it to your PC with little trouble.

    This is the cool part though, TiVo ENCOURAGES hacking. They've got a VERY strong community following and it seems like they actually encourage all of the little hacks and projects people work on. I've heard nothing but praise for the TiVo hacking community. I haven't had a chance to play with it myself, but again, my TiVo is gone. :(

    TiVo is like the google of TV appliances, it's just really cool, really friendly, and doesn't offend anybody :) (well, except for the people who are going to reply saying that it offends them just to be argumentative ;P )

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