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German Library Allowed To Crack Copy Protection 277

AlexanderT writes "The EU Directive 2001/29/EU (also known as the European Copyright Directive) has made it "a criminal offence to break or attempt to break the copy protection or access control systems on digital content such as music, videos, eBooks, and software". Since today, at least in Germany there is one notable exception: The Deutsche Bibliothek, Germany's national library and bibliographic information center, has received a "license to copy", i.e. the official authorization to crack and duplicate DRM-protected e-books and other digital media such as CD-Audio and CD-Roms. The Deutsche Bibliothek achieved an agreement with the German Federation of the Phonographic Industry and the German Booksellers and Publishers Association after it became obvious that copy protections would not only annoy teenage school boys, but also prohibit the library from fulling its legal mandate to collect, process and bibliographic index important German and German-language based works."
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German Library Allowed To Crack Copy Protection

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  • by m50d ( 797211 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:11AM (#11406146) Homepage Journal
    how wrong these laws really are. If this law is preventing the library fulfilling its legal obligations, perhaps this shows it was a badly thought-out law?
  • This is important (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:12AM (#11406151)
    This is one of the primary reasons that DRM/copy protection needs to be less restrictive (or better yet done away with).

    It is important that knowledge and information be available to all now, and years down the track. Particularly if the company that made the DRM is no longer around, or the hardware no longer made.

    Information needs to be preserved and accessible and useful for all generations, not just for a companies short term profit.

  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:20AM (#11406175)
    Please enlighten me on how the library is supposed to be able to loan out DRM'd copies!
  • by Tomji ( 142759 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:22AM (#11406181)
    The probaly want to archive them for good. In order to do that they need the data as direct as possibel and not encrypted and/or compressed.
  • by Gopal.V ( 532678 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:24AM (#11406192) Homepage Journal
    I've heard this a LOT about copyright being there to promote innovation , but most people forget the "for the betterment of society" part of it. altruists.org [altruists.org] has the right ideas, but nobody with any real clout has said it so far. Until Now !!

    Reworking Copyright [intencha.com] pretty much covers how I feel about copyright.. (though not written by me).

    For example , Gandhi was a great proponent of "Making money is not evil" (being from a business community) unlike the England educated Nehru's socialism. People rarely distinguish between the cost of an object and it's price :).. As long as the price is not paid by society (rather than an induvidual) , copyright holds. Interestingly society profits when an induvidual pays or that's the way copyright was supposed to work.

  • Re:Quick Question (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:28AM (#11406202)
    No, it's not. A cop has more rights than you do. Sorry to burst your bubble.
  • Re:Quick Question (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:32AM (#11406222) Journal
    Isn't law supposed to be equal for all?
    The aren't exempt from the law; they have negotiated with the publishers for permission to make copies.

    Technically they may still be breaking the law by cracking the DRM, but since they're doing so with the permission of the publishers, it'd be silly to call them to task for it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:33AM (#11406229)
    What is really bizarre about this is the library is legally required and therefore must legally be able to make copies. So why do they need a license? It's not like these German equivalents of the *AA's should be able to stop them.
  • Re:Quick Question (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Christopheles ( 803724 ) <{slashdot.z.klar} {at} {neverbox.com}> on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:34AM (#11406231)
    Well quite simply, no one is getting killed here. The apparent reason is that since the recording industry owns the copyright, they can let whomever they want do whatever they want with it. It does not say explicitly that the Bibliothek is breaking the copy protection, only that it is copying the material, which it is allowed to do. If it's breaking the protection as well, and it is indeed a criminal offense, then there might be some question as to equality here. From the article it appears that the companies are indeed allowed to make exceptions, so nothing to see here, move along.
  • Huh? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by xstonedogx ( 814876 ) <xstonedogx@gmail.com> on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:36AM (#11406239)
    Of course they reached an agreement.

    The German Federation of the Phonographic Industry and the German Booksellers and Publishers Association didn't want this agency getting the entire law overturned. A potential ally for the little guys in their struggle against these stupid laws has just been bought off.

    At the same time, they get the added benefit of making it look like these two groups are in charge of the law and can exempt people from it.

    In the US, if the RIAA said it was okay for a library to crack it's copy protection mechanisms (haha), would that be okay under the DMCA?

    I mean, if they can do that, that seems to mean that it's okay for ANYONE who has the legal right to copy a protected work to break the copy protection mechanisms prevent that legal use.

  • by AlexanderT ( 846266 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:37AM (#11406241) Homepage

    The official press release states [www.ddb.de] that, "Das Urheberrechtsgesetz sieht so genannte Schrankenregelungen vor, nach denen der Zugang zu urheberrechtlich geschützten Werken zu bestimmten Zwecken, wie zum Beispiel für wissenschaftliche und kulturelle Nutzungen, zulässig ist. Die letzte Novelle des Gesetzes, deren einschlägige Regelungen im September 2004 in Kraft getreten sind, sieht hierfür ausdrücklich die Möglichkeit von Vereinbarungen zwischen Verbänden vor, um diese Nutzungen auch von kopiergeschützten Medien zu ermöglichen."

    I think they are referring to this particular revision [bmj.bund.de] in the German copyright law, which apparantly states that associations such as the Phonographic Industry have the right to allow particular institutions, such as the National Library, to duplicate copyright-protected media (for the sake of science and culture).

    Alex,
    MobileRead.com [mobileread.com]

  • Re:Quick Question (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:43AM (#11406257)
    Well, not speaking for those above the law (such as the insanely rich, politicians, mafiosi and the like, who are often the same), did you ever hear police sirens ? It means that the police or emergency vehicles have the right not to respect the law...legally because there is a legal exception for them ! It is exactly the same situation here.
  • by konekoniku ( 793686 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:48AM (#11406277)
    You're advocating the government seizure of private property without compensation here.

    To take one example of why such a concept is a bad idea, say the Department of Transportation is legally required to build roads for the betterment of society. Very few people believe that the government should be able to just kick people off their land, confiscate their houses, and bulldoze them without compensation (even with compensation, as currently exists under eminent domain laws, this is a very controversial issue).

    Granted, the damage you do to the value of intellectual property by copying it is much less than the damage done to the value of real estate by bulldozing it, by the underlying concept is very much the same.
  • Re:Quick Question (Score:3, Insightful)

    by KiloByte ( 825081 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @05:54AM (#11406297)
    Uhm, no one negotiated anything with me. No extortionist publisher association has any rights to give permissions for my works to anyone.

    Of course, anything (software, documentation, game data) I ever published as myself went with a free license -- and they're pretty useless for a library, but that certainly isn't the case for a majority of authors. Remember: RIAA, MPAA, and in this case, GFPI and GBPA are not everything.
  • by slavemowgli ( 585321 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @06:08AM (#11406333) Homepage
    Nice. But it would be even nicer if it integrated into the renderer to actually turn those plain text links into clickable links - marking them and then selecting an option from the context menu is hardly more efficient than copying and pasting into a new tab.
  • Governments suck (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @06:32AM (#11406398)
    Great... The government creates a law and makes an additional one to make sure it doesn't apply to them.
  • Re:Right to read (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nkh ( 750837 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @06:43AM (#11406431) Journal
    But what happen when 10 years from now I want to listen to my copy-protected CD and can't do it anymore because it is protected?

    I don't want unlimited rights to the content, I want unlimited rights to listening to the content, and this is what I bought...
  • Re:Right to read (Score:4, Insightful)

    by hkmwbz ( 531650 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @06:46AM (#11406446) Journal
    Did you even read the text?

    "Breaking into someone's copy-protected CD" is one thing, but I don't see the relevance. Why would I break into someone else's CD? The thing is, I'm breaking into my own copy-protected CD. I bought the CD, it's mine.

    Is it wrong to "break into" my own car?

  • Re:Right to read (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheOldFart ( 578597 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @06:48AM (#11406455)
    What if tomorrow DVD's are replaced by some other technology? Within a few years you no longer can find a DVD player to replace yours that just died. Now you have a collection of DVDs which contain the material you paid a license to watch. Your options are to pay again to have something you already have and paid for or to break the law and copy the data to a new medium. Why is that a crime?
  • Re:Right to read (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hkmwbz ( 531650 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @07:21AM (#11406546) Journal
    "You bought the right to drive your own car, not to build an exact copy of this car and sell it."
    Really! So I only have the right to drive my own car? I can't modify it? I can't change the tires when needed? Fill gasoline?

    Building an exact copy of the car and selling it would be more like creating CDs with someone else's copyrighted work, and selling them. But that's not what I'm talking about at all. I am simply talking about the right to do with my own CD as I damn well please.

    You really should go back to analogy school and get your shit sorted out. Your analogies suck.

  • Re:Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @07:45AM (#11406613) Homepage
    In the US, if the RIAA said it was okay for a library to crack it's copy protection mechanisms (haha), would that be okay under the DMCA?

    Assuming they are the sole owner of the copy protection mechanism and the works, why not? If I took your property without permission, it is called stealing (note to trolls: physical property, not IP), and is illegal. If you gave permission, it is called giving it away, and is legal.

    Of course, I don't quite understand it. Why wouldn't they simply recieve a non-DRM copy? Or is it just another plot to make it so that "You have the right to crack it, you just aren't able to exercise it", in the same way fair use is becoming "You have the right to fair use, you just aren't able to exercise it"...

    Kjella
  • Re:Wrong laws (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sique ( 173459 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @07:45AM (#11406614) Homepage
    You applaud to exactly that entity that has drawn the law in the first place (and then the parliament ratified it.)
  • Re:Right to read (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cpt kangarooski ( 3773 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @09:05AM (#11406924) Homepage
    Yours is a stupid comment, but I'll respond to it anyway.

    You're wrong. And lets dispense with the stupid-ass car analogy.

    When you buy a book, you buy the book completely in the absence of any further valid agreement otherwise. You do NOT just buy a right to read the book. You buy the book and get the right to do anything with it as a piece of personal property: read it, don't read it, give it away, burn it, etc.

    What you buy, basically, is the right to use the book in absolutely any way, however you see fit, the right to extend that use to others (or take it back, as you like), and the right to dispose of the book in any manner.

    This is the same whether you buy a book, or a baseball bat, or pretty much anything else.

    The most relevant thing you get is access. Access to the intangible, unownable work that is expressed within the book. That is, if you own the paperback, you can access it to read the story within. If you don't, then the owner can determine whether you get to read the book, handle it, etc. which may as a practical matter limit your access to the story it contains.

    Independently of all this, there MAY also be a copyright. A copyright is a negative right; it is not a right to do things or to allow others to do things. It is a right only to prevent other people from doing things.

    Additionally, there is only a very short list of things it pertains to: reading is not one of them. Thus while a copyright holder can prevent other people from reproducing a work, he cannot prevent other people from simply reading it.

    Thus the copyright holder cannot grant other people the right to read, since a) he can't grant rights, only promise not to himself prohibit them from doing things, and b) he has no authority over reading to begin with. Only reproduction, distribution, etc. which may, but doesn't necessarily, confer some control over access to the books, as distinct from the copyrighted works within the books.

    Now, this is only a right to prohibit others. That's important! It means that other people must derive their right to read -- aside from matters of access -- from another source. In fact, since the copyright is a right of prohibition, it means that the right to actually do those things, a right we have accepted can be temporarily curtailed, must likewise derive from a different source than the mere copyright holder.

    Because when the copyright expires, this means that the copyright holder can no longer prohibit others from doing things. Now they can exercise the right that they had all along, and do things that would've been infringing had they been done before.

    Since these things are identical to the things the copyright holder likely was doing (and remembering that the copyright never conferred on him the right to do those things, only to prohibit others (this shows up a lot where there are two authors and two copyrights, one controlling on the other)) the copyright holder must've gotten his right to do those things from the same source as the rest of us.

    That source is God. The right of free speech (which encompasses both expressing and receiving speech) is where the right to read and the right to make copies etc. come from.

    We limit this a bit in the pursuit of some of the goals of our society (c.f. libel laws, advertising regulations) but ultimately we let it go unconstrained.

    There are many practical examples of this:

    Mark Twain was a noted American author who was very much in favor of ever expanding if not perpetual copyright (since after all it would make him more money, and he was bad with money so he needed more). IMO he was kind of an asshole. He NEVER would have wanted anyone to read his books without paying per read, and NEVER would've wanted people to get to make copies of his books without paying handsomely for the privilege.

    But his books are in the public domain; I can read and reproduce them at will, for free. If he or his estate had even the slightest right to prevent this, I assure you, they'd use it as much as possible. They don't, illustrating my point, and ultimately showing us all that you are (in legal terms) a doofus.
  • Re:Right to read (Score:3, Insightful)

    by NoMoreNicksLeft ( 516230 ) <john.oylerNO@SPAMcomcast.net> on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @10:09AM (#11407395) Journal
    Because humanity as a whole has a say in just what property rights should be allowed. Obviously, some property rights are a good thing, others would be bad. And it just so happens that IP is a controversial property right at the moment, in no small part because *humanity as a whole DID NOT* had a say in it. Our politicians are corrupt, and that right was purchased with bribes financed with the proceeds of a century of corrupt monopolized entertainment industry.

    If literally anything can be property, why not sell off the atmosphere, the air we breathe? The federal government could make a fuckton of revenue, auctioning that off, for our own benefit of course. Pay down the debt. We'd have to pay a fee to breath, and wouldn't it be wonderful? I mean, now that someone owns it, they'd have reason to take care of it. They could charge hefty fees to polluters. Whole air industry bureaucracies would spring up, so that people with asthma or emphysema would get discounts. Heck, the "stop smoking" movement would really pick up steam, forgive the pun. Mind you, I'm not talking barbarianism here, if someone doesn't pay their air tax, we don't strangle them, they're just thrown in jail, on a work release program, wages garnished until they're paid up.

    Or how about the oceans? Come to think of it, there are plenty of things that could become property, if we only tried. But only these greedy fucks, want to claim property rights on something that in the same fucking breath they turn around and try to *sell* it to me. If you write a poem for your sweetheart, then yeh, that might as well be property. Stealing it might not be such a bad way to put it, no one else is meant to have it (ironically, the only people who might be the slightest bit interested in stealing it, are the same ones crying thief when I download an MP3). Selling me a cd, and then claiming I stole it because I disabled lame-ass DRM, that's kinda dumb, isn't it? Mind you, I'm not against giving them the sole right to sell it, especially if it's for a limited time (which it isn't anymore). Catch someone selling warez CDs on the street corner, then lock them up. But then again, those aren't the ones they're interested in...
  • by Alsee ( 515537 ) on Wednesday January 19, 2005 @02:44PM (#11410735) Homepage
    Your point actually provides a perfect example to clarify the *correct* understanding of copyright.

    Just look at what happens after X years. It goes to the public domain. That would be a seizure of the property, to place it into the public domain. And that is done for the public benefit, right?

    Whoops! It would be illegal for the government to do that without paying the owner compensation for taking his property! So either the expiration of every copyright and patent is an illegal seisure by the government, or there is something wrong with the model we just laid out.

    I'm going to specifically refer to the US legal system (it's the one I know), but the theory should be pretty generally valid. If you actually read the Supreme Court ruling on the basis of copyright and patent laws, they make it perfectly clear that the fundamental state of "intellectual creations" is that they lie in the public domain. To any extent that it is "property", it is public property. This is the point where copyright and patent law come into the picture. They were created to encourage more intellectual creation and to encourage them to be contributed to the public domain. A limited bundle of copy rights or patent rights is taken from the public and temporarily given to the creator. That taking from the public is done for the public benefit.

    Which now makes it perfectly clear why library copying and fair use and other premitted copying and use is not a taking from the copyright holder. The copyright holder was never granted exclusive rights to those uses in the first place. The bundle of rights given to the copyright holder does not include any right to object to this library usage.

    The US Supreme court has directly ruled that copyright is a limited "bundle of rights" and that it is NOT some ordinary peice of propery. And while copyright infringment is a violation of the law, the Supreme Court ruled that it does not equate to theft. Copyrighted works are covered by copyright law, not property law.

    The term "intellectual property" is very bad because it gives the impression that the normal implications of property law apply. It leads to erroneous conclusions about copyright, like the appearance that the expiration of copyright is a "taking" from the "property owner". People often rationalize fair use and other copyright exceptions as a "taking" from the owner for the pubic benefit. Both are backwards logic. The expiration of copyright is merely the expiration of certain rights the public has loaned to the creator. Any copying and usage that is leagally non-infringing is simply something which was never given to the creator in the first place.

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