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British Goverment to Reshape BBC Governance 587

AtariAmarok writes "The British government recently announced plans to reshape how the BBC is governed.. The changes are said to scrap the system that has been in place for 77 years. Some are worried that the independence of the "Beeb" could be compromised, and Conservative lawmakers are worried that it does not allow for enough oversight (leaves it too independent?)."
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British Goverment to Reshape BBC Governance

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  • Long time coming (Score:4, Informative)

    by moofdaddy ( 570503 ) * on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:03AM (#11832319) Homepage
    Similar reform acts to the british media have been coming for a long time now. The first major whole hearted attempt came in the mid-80s. It is interesting because each time they get closer to actually getting it done but fall through in the end.

    I say cheers to the thought of an independent British Broadcasting company. I know the goverments regulation over them as been decreasing in recent years but the changes that are in the pipes have been a long time coming.
  • Re:Punishment ? (Score:5, Informative)

    by REBloomfield ( 550182 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:10AM (#11832345)
    They weren't reserved; the Chairman spoke up and lost his job. Funny how no one has pointed out that he could do them for unfair dismissal now we know that the 45 minute was, in fact, as we knew all along, complete bollocks.
  • Sure, George (Score:5, Informative)

    by gowen ( 141411 ) <gwowen@gmail.com> on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:14AM (#11832363) Homepage Journal
    Some are worried that the independence of the "Beeb" could be compromised
    I haven't heard this much in the British media. In fact, these reforms seem likely to *increase* the Beeb's independence, since it adds another layer of distance between the Governors (now the BBC Trust) and the patronage of government.

    The Governors at present are appointed directly by the government -- and the last Labour and Tory administrations have made partly-political appointments; in the future, their replacements will be appointed by a more independent executive.

    I'd also just like to say this : as a License Fee payer, I believe firmly that the BBC works, and having travelled a fair amount, I've never seen a media organisation produce comparable amounts of quality output.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:18AM (#11832377)
    How much do you pay for sky and still have adverts and biased news? 20 a month? 30 a month? It's still 2-300 per year. ITV is full of adverts. CH4 shows some great programming and can buy the US imports, but the BBC has value not only as an independant but I dont see Sky 1 showing Open University level stuff, or exposes on corruption.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/

    --
    Each household's colour TV licence cost £9.67 every month in 2003/2004. On average each month, this was how the BBC spent your money:
    Average monthly licence fee spend

    This chart shows that £9.67 was the average monthly cost of each household's licence fee in 2003/2004. It breaks it down visually into components.

    * BBC One £3.37
    * BBC Two £1.45
    * Digital television channels £0.98
    * Transmission and collection costs £0.98
    * BBC Radio 1, 2, 3, 4 and Five Live £0.99
    * Digital radio stations £0.08
    * Nations & English Regions television £0.90
    * Local radio £0.61
    * bbc.co.uk £0.31

    --

    Also there is the BBC Imp project which will allow people in the UK (restricted by IP numbers and authorisation) to download a high percentage of BBC TV and radio in >1mmbit DRM'ed wmv for playing on your PC or laptop up to 8 days after broadcast (as allowed by copyright laws)

    I had a mate on the trial and it was awesome to be able to watch Top Gear on a laptop over lunch
  • Re:Sure, George (Score:2, Informative)

    by szlevente ( 705483 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:22AM (#11832389)
    Not sure how things are in the UK, but here in Eastern Europe, BBC is a synonym for objective, independent, realistic and incisive news reports. Haven't heard of anybody disliking it. FM radio stations that re-broadcast BBC programmes are bound to gain more listeners, just because of that.
  • Re:Punishment ? (Score:2, Informative)

    by gowen ( 141411 ) <gwowen@gmail.com> on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:22AM (#11832392) Homepage Journal
    Funny how no one has pointed out that he could do them for unfair dismissal
    He wasn't dismissed. He tendered his resignation, firmly believing it would not be accepted. He was wrong.
    the 45 minute was, in fact, as we knew all along, complete bollocks.
    The rubbishing of the 45 minute claim wasn't what upset the government. What upset the government was the suggestion that they -- and not the security services -- had inserted the claim into the dossier. This was what Gilligan suggested in his first broadcast, having first failed to clear it with his editor, or the BBC's lawyers.
    Furthermore, all inquiries have shown this suggestion to be not true.
  • Crap reasoning (Score:2, Informative)

    by Cougem ( 734635 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:29AM (#11832420)
    So this all comes about from the 'sexing up' of the War in Iraq coverage? What a shit reason. Wow, it failed once in 77 years of governance. That's a bloody good track record in my books.

    Just because the government are pissed off that it made them look worse, it was better than 99% of the other news sources, *cough*BSkyB*cough.

    It's just bitterness

    Anyone remember that massive page-sized advertisement the BBC took out in the newspapers with the peoples names which basically gave a finger to the government and pledge support to the high figures. Good on them.
  • by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:33AM (#11832434) Journal
    The BBC is pretty free from the government, if there was any political censorship going on then other channels would be all over it. Watching things like question time, journalists are not known for being polite and letting politicians get away with bullshitting - if a question is asked, a proper answer is expected no matter what part of the political spectrum. There have been plenty of occasions when the BBC has done things that pissed off the government and even other governments (Israel, Vanunu) they are absolutely not afraid to broadcast things that need to be seen, from lists of dead soldiers (censored in the US by some stations) to prisoner abuse (censored in the US for at least 2 weeks before it came out) to just taking the piss out of the establishment - if this was china every employee would have been publicly hanged - which is why i love the BBC.

    As for decency standards, I really don't understand why the FCC is so tight assed, the BBC recently came under fire from Christian groups over Jerry Springer the Opera (with about 8000 fuck, shit, cunts etc and a gay Jesus), but the BBC did not cave in because they understood that they had to appeal to everyone but _not_ at the same time, so they showed it, the FCC would have had a heart attack.
  • by vidarh ( 309115 ) <vidar@hokstad.com> on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:33AM (#11832437) Homepage Journal
    The point is that the BBC is there to provide an alternative to the commercial broadcasters. As such, there's no point in having the BBC producing stuff that the commercial broadcasters does just as well. Especially as the variety of commercial channels has been rapidly increasing. Which is why so much effort is put in to make sure BBC programming is focused on areas where the BBC can either provide an important alternative (news, for instance, by providing an alternative to the viewpoints of the commercial broadcasters) or where the commercial broadcasters aren't going.

    This is the foundation of almost all publicly owned broadcasters in Europe - they're there to make sure stuff that isn't commercially viable on the short term still gets a chance at a place in the media, and to aid public information and the development of culture.

    Setting guidelines to ensure this is the only way in which parliament "keep the BBC under its thumb". And only indirectly through changes to the charter and by indirectly influencing the BBC's governing structure.

    Think of BBC as a corporation owned by the public being given guidelines for how to operate from it's shareholders - represented by Parliament. This is no different than any other media organisation. The only difference is that in the BBC's case power isn't centralised on the hands of small groups of wealthy business people.

  • by RonnyJ ( 651856 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:33AM (#11832438)
    Why Isn't This On Their Website Then?

    Because it was on their front page yesterday :)

    Theres's a few articles/discussion on the subject, here [bbc.co.uk] here [bbc.co.uk] and here [bbc.co.uk]

  • by hoofie ( 201045 ) <mickey&mouse,com> on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:41AM (#11832470)
    I think you mean Rupert Murdoch - Mr. Maxwell threw a seven and drowned after falling [allegedly...] off his yacht in the Med.
  • by guet ( 525509 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:47AM (#11832486)
    I don't understand the rational for any goverement regulation outside of deceny standards. I suppose its because I am a yannkie but the whole idea to me of the goverement having that much control over the media is appaling. How does parliment justify keeping the BBC under its thumb?

    Maybe if you knew something about the BBC you wouldn't spout off such nonsense. The BBC is not 'under the thumb' of parliament, quite the contrary, and I suspect they're now being punished for that fact by the present government. If you want an example of mass-media that's under the thumb of government, check your own side of the pond. I find it amusing that you're so appalled by government interference in the media when you have such a tepid, unadventurous news media under the US system - you don't by any chance watch Fox News do you? Things are getting a bit out of hand when a comedy show (The Daily Show) is one of the most serious political commentaries.

    The rationale for government regulation is to ensure that the licence fee is spent appropriately, not on another 'Temptation Island' knock-off because that sells, but on programming that attempts to educate and entertain. The word government means something very different outside the USA, which I suspect is where your confusion comes from. PS Your spelling is appalling, frightening even, please use a spelling checker.
  • by gowen ( 141411 ) <gwowen@gmail.com> on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:49AM (#11832494) Homepage Journal
    to turn it into a goverment properganda machine *shudder*
    Have you even read the proposed changes? What among them think this is *more* likely to make the BBC a propaganda machine?
  • Re:Oversight (Score:0, Informative)

    by Alan Partridge ( 516639 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @07:54AM (#11832503) Journal
    The BBC IS liberal, it is also quite conservative.
  • Re:Licensing fee (Score:2, Informative)

    by 91degrees ( 207121 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @08:01AM (#11832530) Journal
    The rules regarding terrestrial TV advertising are realy quite strict. Number of minutes per clock hour, number of breaks in programmes of a certain length, and total advertising allowed throughout the day are all tightly controlled.

    And the regulators do employ people to check they comply.
  • Re:Punishment ? (Score:2, Informative)

    by gowen ( 141411 ) <gwowen@gmail.com> on Thursday March 03, 2005 @08:14AM (#11832577) Homepage Journal
    even so, it was true.
    No, it wasn't. Or at least, no one has produced any evidence for that. Gilligan claimed Kelly said it, but that's not terribly conclusive, especially considering Kelly killed himself a few days later.
  • Absolutely Wrong! (Score:3, Informative)

    by Martin Spamer ( 244245 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @08:45AM (#11832670) Homepage Journal
    Why let the facts get in way of some great rhetoric.

    This is the regular Charter renewal for the BBC. Happens every 10years or so.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/policies/charter_revie w. shtml
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @08:53AM (#11832699)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by alext ( 29323 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @09:02AM (#11832744)
    Funny?

    This was proposed [bbc.co.uk] by the previous BBC chairman (Greg Dyke).

    Interesting model if the BBC starts to produce more software (current chairman was very careful to talk about "content" and "devices" this morning).
  • by ivano ( 584883 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @09:12AM (#11832821)
    No. The World Service is similar in function (historically) to VOA (Voice of America). Pretty much they both started out as propaganda tools to their colonies. Hence we have the Foreign Office for the World Service and Office of Wartime Information for the VOA. I still think VOA is fulfilling its role, as the World Service is now one of the best independent news service in the world (making it's sister[?] organisation look like Fox News :) with a slight taste of English pride mixed in.

    Ciao

    PS Disclaimer: I last heard VOA at least 10 years ago and found it very, very pro-American. The World Service is also pro-UK but mostly in a quaint way.

  • Re:Oversight (Score:3, Informative)

    by CmdrGravy ( 645153 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @09:12AM (#11832825) Homepage
    Britain is the 4th largest economy in the world, soon to be overtaken by China ( according to the BBC ) so we're not an insignificant economic force in the world.
  • by LordSnooty ( 853791 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @09:26AM (#11832960)
    > The point is that the BBC is there to provide an alternative to the commercial broadcasters

    That isn't actually true. What you say is probably closer to Channel 4's remit. The BBC existed long before (even American) commerical broadcasters. They exist to provide a broad, accessible range of media outlets. The old "inform, entertain & educate" mantra of Lord Reith, the first D-G. There's nothing in the charter that talks about providing "alternatives" in the sense that you mean, certainly outside of areas like news. This is why it's actually important for the BBC to provide populist (& popular) programmes - if they didn't, less people would watch, which would paint them as increasingly irrelevant, which would lead people to qustion why they pay the licence fee.

    Recent channels such as BBC3 & 4 WERE created with a view to providing an alternative to commerical provisions, and they had to seek government approval before they could start. That still doesn't mean that they should stay away from anything that a commercial broadcaster might provide. That's a problem I have with the "less copycat shows" argument - more often than not, it was the BBC who INVENTED these kinds of shows, in an attempt to appeal to a larger section of the public (something which IS enforced by the charter) - they become successful, and commercial broadcasters copy them cos that's the best they can do. A few years down the line, and people start accusing the BBC of copycat behaviour. It makes no sense. Lifestyle shows like Changing Rooms, or "docu-soaps" like Driving School and Airport are two recent strands of programming that I can think of where this happened.
  • Re:Oversight (Score:5, Informative)

    by term8or ( 576787 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @09:30AM (#11832997)
    There is no such thing as Freedom of speech or press legally in the UK, get used to it.

    Not true.

    Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms
    as amended by Protocol No. 11
    Rome, 4.XI.1950


    Article 9 - Freedom of thought, conscience and religion1

    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.
    Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.


    Article 10 - Freedom of expression

    Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
  • Re:Oversight (Score:2, Informative)

    by miasmic ( 669645 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @09:45AM (#11833094)
    From my experience a lot of North Americans equate the word "liberal" with "communist", or at the very least use it in a purely perjorative sense. Certainly a lot of them could do with looking the word up in the dictionary: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal/ [reference.com]
  • by malkavian ( 9512 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @09:59AM (#11833196)
    Actually, evidence that came to light into the media at later times showed that Downing Street had, in fact, been told that the information they were basing the attack on was false.

    It was known that the WMD information was at best unreliable, but it was the sole piece of information that was available that allowed Phony Tony to leap into the fray over the express wishes (70% against at the start) of the public opinion.

    When multiple sources investigated the same leads as the journalist, but under greater scrutiny again, not only were the documents proved to be 'sexed up', but the meat of it was obtained by a forged document intended for other purposes.

    So, the journalist was, in truth, correct. His information and assumptions were correct.
    Yet Downing Street now expect the BBC to reform because of this political travesty of revealing to the world what was really going on.

    So much for journalistic freedom.
  • by PsiPsiStar ( 95676 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @10:32AM (#11833484)
    There is no evidence they knew it to be false.

    Obviously, it's difficult to prove that someone "knew somthing to be false" if they don't want it known. For this reason, laws typically revolve, not simply around what a person does know, but what they should reasonably be expected to know and to find out (i.e. due dilligence.) Ignorance of the law is not an adequate defense, or it would be difficult to next to impossible to convict anyone. Similarly, lack of due dilligence on a matter of remarkable importance such as this should be called 'dishonest.' So to demonstrate dishonesty, we need to set a standard for due dilligence.

    Particularly, we need to ask why US intelligence produced information which was worse than other international bodies.

    On March 7th, Mohamed ElBaradei, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna, told the U.N. Security Council that the documents involving the Niger-Iraq uranium sale were fakes. "The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents . . . are in fact not authentic," ElBaradei said.

    One senior I.A.E.A. official went further. He told me, "These documents are so bad that I cannot imagine that they came from a serious intelligence agency. It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents, that it was not stopped. At the level it reached, I would have expected more checking."

    The I.A.E.A. had first sought the documents last fall, shortly after the British government released its dossier. After months of pleading by the I.A.E.A., the United States turned them over to Jacques Baute, who is the director of the agency's Iraq Nuclear Verification Office.

    It took Baute's team only a few hours to determine that the documents were fake.

    http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030331fa_ fa ct1
  • by jdtanner ( 741053 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @11:00AM (#11833812) Homepage
    Rubbish!

    The BBC produces very high quality television and radio. Have you ever seen the crap that comes out of the States (no offence to our American cousins)?

    Sure, BBC1 might have lost its way a bit in recent years, but the quality of the programs on BBC2 and BBC4 (as well as Radio 2, Radio 4, 6Music and BBC7) is very high indeed.

    If you feel the need to bash the BBC, watch Sky1 for a few nights and you'll soon be taking your comments back.

    J
  • by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @11:16AM (#11834006) Homepage Journal
    No, Blair's British government lied about WMD in Iraq, the BBC showed that on TV, and Blair successfully spun the story by covering up their knowledge. After that success, Blair is moving to exert more control, so that can never happen again - on Iraq, or any other inconvenient publication of government lies. Speculation, my eye - the chain of events is totally obvious, except to warmongers in denial of the truth that busts out everywhere when people do their jobs with any integrity.
  • by R.Caley ( 126968 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @11:40AM (#11834297)
    There is no evidence they knew it to be false.

    Short of having the technology to take a retrospective dump of Blair's brain at the moment he made the decision to make the claim, it is impossible to prove they knew it to be false. That level of proof is just never available for this kind of issue. Maybe Comical Ali really believed the glorious Iraqi army was thrashing the decadent US forces who so laughably claimed to be holding the airport, how can we be absolutely sure? We can only say that it is implausible that anyone could actually hold that opinion at that timebplace and time.

    However, we know Blair had no reason to think the 45 minute claim was true. The intelligence services clearly stated that this was an unsupported claim by an untrustworthy single source. The government put it forward as a fact. Even if you decide this isn't evidence of lieing on the issue of fact (which is to decide that Blair convinced himself of the truth of the claim on no basis), it is clearly lieing about the level of evidence.

    Of course, when an inquiry finds that a government did not lie, the cynical public always call this a 'whitewash', but that does not mean the public is right.

    It does not mean the public is wrong either.

    Actually, I don't think this is a case of Blair being an Evil Lieing Bastard(tm) who wanted war at any cost, but of good old double-think. Blair knew the claim was bollocks, but at the same time convinced himself it was true because it was politically necessary to believe it.

    The UK and US went to war to get rid of Saddam Hussain. The US blather about 9/11 and the UK blather about WMDs were attempts at providing a reason which would justify the predictable deaths.

    Legalisticly, the US and UK had an argument for the legitimacy of the war. SH put Iraq outside the protection of international law when he invaded Kuwait, and since he never even seriously pretended to comply with the UN resulutions which ended the gulf war, one could argue that Iraq was still beyond the pale. After all that is how the sanctions and the no-fly zones were justified.

    But a legal argument is not useful when you need to stand up and say ``I'm going to send your children to their deaths killing othe people's children, is that OK by you?''.

  • by payndz ( 589033 ) on Thursday March 03, 2005 @11:48AM (#11834405)
    The Tories always accused the BBC of being biased against them.

    Now Labour is always accusing the BBC of being biased against them.

    If by some fluke the Lib-Dems won the next election, no doubt they would always be accusing the BBC of being biased against them.

    Personally, I think it's great that the 'state' broadcaster is always willing to challenge the government of the day, no matter what political persuasion it may be. And frankly, I think that the vast majority of people in Britain are proud of the BBC and want the government - any government - to keep their hands off it. A government that proposed privatising it would find themselves out of office at the next election... if not strung up in Parliament Square!

  • Re:Oversight (Score:5, Informative)

    by x0n ( 120596 ) * on Thursday March 03, 2005 @11:52AM (#11834445) Homepage Journal
    In fact, the BBC is funded by the viewers, in the form of a "TV license" fee. In Ireland and England, viewers pay this tax of sorts once a year and it enables state-funded stations like the BBC to run without any advertisements and to a lesser extent the Irish national station, RTE (Radio Telefís Éireann) which is semi-state funded, to run with significantly less ads than any North American station.

    Yes, that's right, people who watch BBC have no interruptions to their viewing. No advertisements at all. Nada, zilch. The station, although funded by the government, is paid for by the people. It's worked flawlessly so far -- the BBC is world renowned as a fair, balanced and insightful news organization. I can say this truthfully as an Dublin-born Irishman living in Canada for the last few years -- anytime there has been trouble in the North [of Ireland] and I needed a truthful report, I went to the BBC, a British station. CBC -- a Canadian station -- would always show inaccurate and plainly wrong reports, heavily biased toward in favour of the crown. Whether this has anything to do with Canada's membership in the Commonwealth, I don't know.

    Regardless, any change in the running of the BBC should have a watchful eye kept on it. Just my 2 [euro]cents.

    - Oisin

  • Re:Oversight (Score:3, Informative)

    by cortana ( 588495 ) <sam@robo t s .org.uk> on Thursday March 03, 2005 @12:01PM (#11834547) Homepage
    TYpical Slashdot hyperbole! I went without a TV set for three years while I was at university. I got one letter a year from the TVLA saying that it was illegal to operate a TV set without paying the license fee. That was it.

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