Proposed Canadian Laws to Nix P2P Music Sharing 60
limber writes "During this past weekend's Juno awards (a vapid Canadian music industry shindig) Canadian Heritage Minister Liza Frulla brought up proposed new legislation that would make downloading music on the Internet without paying for it illegal. High (or low) lights of the legislation include: forcing 'ISPs to monitor individual customer Internet connections for suspicious activity,' and giving the music industry and songwriters 'the tools to sue' illegal downloaders. Frulla further noted she 'wanted to persuade children that downloading music for free is wrong.'
Fine (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Fine (Score:2)
Music Levy Repel (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Music Levy Repel (Score:2, Informative)
As opposed to the many vapid american shindigs (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:As opposed to the many vapid american shindigs (Score:2)
Oh man! (Score:2)
Man, I took like seven. But at least now I don't feel so bad.
Proud to live in the USA (Score:1)
Downloading to yourself (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Downloading to yourself (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Downloading to yourself (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Downloading to yourself (Score:1)
Re:Downloading to yourself (Score:1, Informative)
People who like to play music for fun rather than profit do not apparently exist, and so are not catered for.
Re:Downloading to yourself (Score:3, Interesting)
but well.. it's not like it would change anything in the long run anyways as people would move to anonymous networks..
Honestly, this is a license to print money. (Score:1, Interesting)
Step one. Start a Garage band.
Step two. Record everything you play, quality is not an issue.
Step three. Name every one of your songs after another pop song you hate and add "sucks" to the end of it.
Step four. Download and upload your songs with reckless abandond across all the P2P networks that are easiest to pinpoint clients with.
Step five. Wait to be sued.
Step six. Reply to said suit. With "I own this music. Suck the corn out of my stink nuggets, you prissy faggot! Leave me alo
stoopid government (Score:3, Informative)
Not to mention that there's already a fricken levy on CDs and other media to compensate artists for downloading.
Re:stoopid government (Score:1)
Now, the law we're getting [canada.com] is far less lopsided than the one the Heritage Committee proposed. Unfortunately, private copying, the CD media levy and how it works with the anticircumvention measures is not
Innovation massivelly stifled (Score:5, Interesting)
* IMDB links -- "download now!"
* On-demand TV, for real, any TV show ever made
* Level playing field for musical artists -- disincentivize massive investment in ad campaigns, encourage band competition through P2P blogsphere
* Encourage competition in the following fields:
- Attribution.com -- tries to authoritatively attribute chain of creative credit for original/derived work...
- Who can sell "IP" at the lowest price? Can the USA compete with China? 1cent books, anyone?
- What are TRUE value adds when "IP" is (almost) free? e.g., purchased CD comes with concert tickets; $500 purchase buys you a free Bar Mitzva concert...
etc... More to come...
Re:Innovation massivelly stifled (Score:2)
No, no, no, it's iCopulate [thinkgeek.com]!!!
iTunes (Score:2)
Woohoo! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Woohoo! (Score:2)
So enjoy it for however long it lasts.
Sounds like... (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like someone didn't get nominated!
Re:Sounds like... (Score:2)
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No DMCA, soo... (Score:3, Interesting)
Canada has a lot more liberals than the US, and many less politicians who are swayed by corporate interests. Very little chance Canada will ever have a "real" anti-freedom law like the DMCA or like this one.
Its a wonder why I still live in the US.
Re:No DMCA, soo... (Score:1)
Re:No DMCA, soo... (Score:1)
Re:No DMCA, soo... (Score:1)
Re:Democracy (Score:2)
News to me. I've lived in Canada 30 years and never once was I allowed to cast a vote for my head of state or even my Prime Minister. Not quite sure what you're talking about really but you're probably super confused after reading what I wrote so I better let you go now.
Re:Democracy (Score:2)
In Canada, as in any parliamentary system, the Prime Minister is chosen indirectly, by the party that forms the government. The head of state is of course the Queen, whose role is now entirely ceremonial. The facts that you have nothing to say about a purely ceremonial figure and that the Prime Minister is not directly elected does not make Canada any less a democracy.
Re:Democracy (Score:1)
Re:Democracy (Score:2)
A democracy need not be direct. Here's the first definition google produced. It is typical:
Re:Democracy (Score:3, Informative)
I'm well aware of the fact that Canada is a constitutional monarchy. There is no conflict between being a constitutional monarchy and being a democracy. Canada and most other constitutional monarchies are true democracies insofar as the monarch does not, and cannot without provoking a constitutional crisis, exert actual control. The Queen's actual powers are extremely limited. Beyond appointing the governor-general and the lieutenant-governors, she exercises power only in the very rare situations in whic
Re:Democracy (Score:2)
The fact that you can't vote for the head of state is meaningless, since the head of state has absolutely no power in Canada and isn't a real part of the government.
Re:Democracy (Score:3, Insightful)
If 90% of the population wants to kill every Amerind (Native American, whatever you're calling them now), does that make the government wrong for trying to stop you?
For that matter, if 90% of the population wants the USA to nuke Toronto (yeah, I was never very impressed with Toronto - just an
Re:Democracy (Score:1)
Re:Democracy (Score:2)
Wasn't comparing music piracy to genocide. Just commmenting on silliness of notion that "90% of us want something, so government should give it to us". That's the argument of a spoiled child....
Also, Congrats for siding with the gov't over the population - as an English Citizen, can I have 300 years back taxes
Sure, send your Army over to collect anytime at all. Though my ancestors paid taxes to your ancestors for 70 of those thr
Re:Democracy (Score:1)
I don't honestly believe any "democracy" is about mob rule... And England certainly isnt a democracy (Think you americans have farcical elections? The government leaving power over here only had the votes of around
Re:Democracy (Score:2)
Yah, that's a justification fo
Re:Democracy (Score:2)
Persuasion (Score:1)
Just like Americans were persuaded by Al Qaeda to give up their superficial cupidity for fear of having planes crashed into them. When a punishment does not fit a crime, it is terrorism, not justice.
Are we (America) gonna go to war with the Canadian terrorists now?
Re:Persuasion (Score:2)
"Suspicious Activity?" (Score:2)
All of sudden the role of the ISP is to monitor the content you download?
So a commercial entity has the right to have your ISP to monitor you for 'suspicious activity' (subject to their determination) when the RCMP would need a warrant to do this exact thing?
And if the RCMP was going to have the power to have your ISP randomly examine your data for 'suspicious activity' there would be people going ape-
Couple of things (Score:2)
Hypothetical situation. I am a young independant unsigned artist. I make music, and would like to increase my listening audience. I put MP3's of songs I composed and performed on a website and I seed the songs onto a P2P network. What is the duration of my jail term?
Also a few people are commenting that the "copying levy" on blank media should be repealed - under this juristiction, it shouldn't. That levy is to pay for "fair use" copyin
Its' not about compensating greedy artists or... (Score:1, Interesting)
Its' about access to our cultural heritage, from both our present and our past, being denied to us in the name of increasing someone else's profits.
I repeat, culture should be freely available to every member of our society.
How?
IDK but perhaps, music should be accessable to anyone at anytime for a reasonable price, and then be free a short time later (15-30 years perhaps?). This is not what we have had in the past.
Its' all water under the bridge though, by the time these laws are effe
Start writing letters to your MP's (Score:1)
I've said it before... (Score:3, Interesting)
These laws are almost entirely unenforceable. As an ISP, if any government wanted to force me to monitor individual users' bandwidth, I'd ask them if they were going to provide me with extra staff to help me do it, since there would be no possible way that I could do such a thing myself. Let's also see if they can persuade their usually understaffed, underpaid police forces to do the job, as well...My guess is that that is unlikely.
Any government that wants to can pass as many laws like this as it wants, and then sit back and watch as the general public completely ignores them. Governments, the RIAA, and WIPO need to get it into their empty heads once and for all:- We *want* to pirate music, we're *going* to pirate music, and apart from a few token lawsuits here and there against the odd big fish, for the most part there is exactly jack shit you can do about it. Get used to it, because it (and we) are not going away.
Re:I've said it before... (Score:2)
Yup. C-68 is a prime example of a liberal law ignored by most parties and most provinces as well.
Drug and prostitution laws are examples of more conservative laws that are also not worth the paper they are written on.
As a libertarian, I ignore in an equal opportunity fashion. :-)
I gotta admit.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Each time a story like this comes up, I find the address of the minister responsible (and it seems like it's a different one every time. How much is the music industry paying these people?) and write my letter, CCing it to the leader of the opposition, the Prime Minister, and my MP.
It's getting to the point where I'm just getting tired of doing it.
Unknowingly guilty ... (Score:1)
On another note: what about the archives with classical music in MIDI format? It's music and can be downloaded for free. And it's free of copyrights.
And what about online games (the type of WoW or GTR), these may download new music from their home server without the user knowing about it !
This is an impossible law to be valid, there'
Write your MP.. (Score:3, Insightful)
http://canada.gc.ca/directories/direct_e.html [canada.gc.ca]
Your voice DOES MATTER IN CANADA. People will pay attention. Write something.