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iTunes Music Store Sells Videos 603

bonch writes "With the recent release of iTunes 4.8 and its ability to manage and play videos, several users are discovering that iTunes is now selling videos through the online store. One example is the 'Feel Good Inc.' single used in the recent rollerskating iPod ad. The videos are provided in DRM-less .mp4 format encoded in 3ivx D4 4.5 and are available with purchase of the album."
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iTunes Music Store Sells Videos

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  • by Embedded Geek ( 532893 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @12:16AM (#12485093) Homepage
    I Cringely [pbs.org] predicted this (more or less) back in January. An interesting read.

    On an related note, I'd really like to take a peek at Robert Cringely's stock portfolio!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @12:27AM (#12485170)
    Via a souped-up AirPort Express that has digital and audio video out, pigtailed to analog. The bandwidth isn't a problem; for half-res HD, you're only talking 2 Mbps, which is nothing. Even for full-res 1080/24p, you're still only talking about 8-9 Mbps including audio, which is totally doable with AirPort Extreme.

    The only challenge is the dedicated H.264 decoder hardware. Right now, it takes a souped-up Power Mac G5 to decode 1080p in real time. That's gonna be fixed in hardware, of course.
  • Not 3ivx (Score:5, Informative)

    by Nermal6693 ( 622898 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @12:42AM (#12485256)
    The videos aren't in 3ivx format, they're in QuickTime MPEG-4. QT reports them as being 3ivx if you have the 3ivx codec installed, which is likely where the confusion arose.
  • by dn15 ( 735502 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @01:40AM (#12485537)
    FWIW that's not 5 burns per song, it's per playlist. All you have to do is make a new playlist and you can effectively burn any given song an unlimited number of times.
  • Video in iTunes? (Score:4, Informative)

    by TCQuad ( 537187 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @02:27AM (#12485761)
    That's been an option [apple.com] for a little while now, and doesn't require iTunes 4.8. iTunes 4.7 is handling it fine right now.
  • by As Seen On TV ( 857673 ) <asseen@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @02:44AM (#12485816)
    quicktime's support for anamorphic video has, and continues, to suck.

    You're confusing QuickTime with QuickTime-based applications. In QuickTime 7 we added new attributes that tell QuickTime applications to take a movie with native size X by Y and play it back at size A by B. But the applications have to set that attribute.

    besides, why the fuck would you offer online movie downloads as anamorphic video?

    Because that's what the video is. Standard-def TV masters are stored on videotape in anamorphic format. When they're played back on a widescreen set, they're stretched out to about 850 by 480. That's how widescreen SD works.

    It makes no sense to stretch content before encoding it; at that point, you're just compressing noise. It only makes sense to encode it in the native format, 720 by 480, and then stretch it during playback. That's how you get the highest picture quality out of widescreen SD content.

    24p describes how cameras like the dvx-100 record video--24 frames per second, progressive scan. not necessarily HD (the dvx-100 shoots straight DV).

    I don't understand this comment at all. When I said "1080/24p," maybe I should have been more specific. I was referring to video in the 1920-by-1080 format playing back at 24 frames per second. That's what the vast majority of scripted TV drama is, as well as high-def movie transfers. When that TV goes out over the air, it's converted through a process called "pulldown" to 60i, sixty fields per second interlaced. But that's for broadcast. We obviously won't want to do that, because again, we'd just be compressing noise. If 3:2 is required, we'll add it during playback just like DVD players do.

    jvc's HD cameras record 30 progressive frames at 720p, the other HD spec.

    Actually, 720p is usually shot sixty frames per second, not thirty. That's why it's so great for sports.

    But the vast majority of scripted content is still shot at 24 frames per second, either on film or in 1080/24p. Motion at 24 frames per second has a very distinctive look, totally different from what we're used to seeing on video. Because people are used to seeing 24-frames-per-second content, giving them 60i or 60p is a distraction. Plus it's more expensive, because storing 30 interlaced frames or 60 progressive frames per second obviously takes more disk space than 24 frames per second.

    We're going to deliver whatever the master format is. If that's 24p, then we'll deliver 24p. If it's native 60i (like shot in 60i, not interlaced from 24p source), then we'll deliver 60i. QuickTime doesn't care. If adjustments need to be made between the movie on disk and the screen, like adding 3:2 pulldown for display on an interlaced-scan television, then we'll add it at the end, not at the beginning.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @02:52AM (#12485851)
    The videos are only available if you buy the album. They're basically just extras, like you'd get on the CD.
  • Re:Need a preview (Score:2, Informative)

    by Scudsucker ( 17617 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @03:15AM (#12485957) Homepage Journal
    Sounds like Bill Hicks...he's the comedian you hear for a few seconds on one of the Tool albums, saying something to the effect that "if you don't think drugs have done anything postive for us, I want you to go home and take all your records, all your tapes, all your cd's and burn em, because all those artists who made this music that has enriched your lives? Reaaaaaaal fuckin high on drugs."

    Anyway, he also proposed a print ad, where you see a buck naked chick sitting down, breasts nicely in view, probing her crotch with her fingers, and below her a sign that just says "Coke". Damned if he cares what the product is, he's buying some of that shit!

    Cooincidently, you can buy tracks of Bill Hicks at the iTMS...check out "Drugs have done good things" or to really bust a gut, "Good times on drugs" off the Relentless cd. I assume it's his family who are selling his work, as unfortunatly he died of cancer in the early 90's.
  • Re:Need a preview (Score:3, Informative)

    by way2trivial ( 601132 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @07:56AM (#12486996) Homepage Journal
    Nas Ne Dogonyat.

    and they weren't in their late teens,
    fifteen and fourteen when they made the video.

    pervert...

    (I liked them too, I have family in eastern europe, and a large group of lithuanian friends, I've heard a lot of it in russian before they had english songs)
  • by sjonke ( 457707 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @09:40AM (#12487805) Journal
    That's what Apple says and I've verified that a G4 doesn't cut it - on my 1.5 GHz G4 PowerBook the HD videos Apple has up for offer play at much less than 30 fps. Totally unacceptable as a video component. The Mac mini is the only current Mac that seems viable as a set top box, but that has a lowly G4 and tiny 2.5" hard drive - it's right out. No one is going to put a G5 tower next to their HD-TV and the iMac G5 has an extraneous display and would be precariously balanced on or near a TV, so you wouldn't want it there either. Of course this may mean they have a G5-based set-top box in the works, but then they have to deal with the heat - having fans in such a box won't cut it IMHO, and it needs to be thin. The "year of HD" may be coming, but I don't know if it will be soon.
  • Re:Need a preview (Score:3, Informative)

    by allgood2 ( 226994 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @09:43AM (#12487829)
    They're not always music videos. I purchased Dave Matthew's Band new album and it came with a video and PDF book. The video was not the video for "American Baby" as I had expected, but a five minute video on the making of the album. More like a VH1 Behind the Music style thing, with interviews and clips from studio sessions, etc.

    I guess this falls in line with Apple's other initiatives, like the iTunes Special Editiion albums, that include all the songs from the album, plus them 30 second to 2 minutes briefs from the artist on the song or the making of the song, etc. I have a couple of these albums, and they're pretty cool (and of course you can tick the conversation pieces off, so they don't play when your on your morning walk or run).

    One thing I did discover is you can't use your Pepsi redeemed points to get a song that has videos attached. I had five or so points left to redeem, and tried to download the Gorillaz song (which was one single and four videos. The song was only .99 cents, so I figured my credits would cover it, but I got a message saying my credits were not enough to cover the song, and that my credit card may be charged for all or part of this purchase.

    It was "odd" but I'll assume that Pepsi isn't paying Apple .99 cents per song, but some other agreed upon amount. No biggie. I was just curious to see if I could.
  • by EtherAlchemist ( 789180 ) on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @11:11AM (#12488672)

    You can get DRMed full length movies, as many as you want, from Real and Starz [real.com] now for $13 a month. The quality is excellent, and if you commute long distances able to use your laptop, it's pretty cool.

    The catalog is actually pretty big, 400 titles I think. The picture is damn good on a TV as well (you'll of course need a video out).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 10, 2005 @11:21AM (#12488779)
    why didn't you set this attribute in quicktime 7 player, presumably your flagship quicktime application?

    Idiot. Quicktime attrs are set when the movie is written. The encoding app has to set the attr. Like Final Cut or iMove, the examples you named.

    they're stored on videotape, which, the last time i checked, was an analog medium that had a fixed aspect ratio.

    Check again. Videotape hasn't been analog for YEARS. Digital Betacam is by far the most popular standard def format and has been for a decade now. And no, it doesn't have a fixed aspect ratio. It holds either 4:3 or 16:9 anamorphic.

    It's funny how you accuse As Seen for having his facts wrong when you clearly don't know the first thing yoruself.

    besides, i don't really remember seeing a whole lot of standard-def tv in widescreen.

    Everything that's shown in HD is shot in widescreen, whether it's center-cropped to 4:3 or shown letterboxed. Some of the prominent shows that are shown letterboxed include "Enterprise," "ER" and "Mythbusters."

    so "the majority of scripted dramas" are not 1080/24p.

    Do you understand the difference between how it's shot and how it's transmitted? Everything that's not live is shot 1080/24p or film @ 24p, then CONVERTED to 1080i or 720p for broadcast. Since AAPL is going to take the broadcast part out, there's no need to convert.

    why would abc and fox shoot at 1080 when they're going to to have to convert and broadcast at 720?

    Because studio equipment is all 1080. Besides, most of ABC's stuff is shot on either Super 35 or Super 16 and telecined anyway.

    it took a very large update to final cut pro to support the 3:2 pull down from a 24p camera

    A 24p camera doesn't insert pulldown, idiot. Pulldown is only present at 30 fps.

    you think vhs really handled 24fps?

    WTF? VHS was an ancient analog format that stored 30i WITH PULLDOWN. Your an idiot.

    but leaves the vtr end at 60i

    That's just wrong. The HDW-F500 records EVERYTHING at 24p then adds pulldown on playback.

    Dude, you need to get off your high horse. You're just plain wrong.

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