Please create an account to participate in the Slashdot moderation system

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Music Media

Bill Gates: Cellphone will Beat iPod 1017

93,000 writes "CNN is running an article featuring Gates' prediction that the iPod is on the way out. From the article: 'As good as Apple may be, I don't believe the success of the iPod is sustainable in the long run.' His prediction for a successor? Mobile phones-- powered by none other than Windows Mobile 5.0, of course."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Bill Gates: Cellphone will Beat iPod

Comments Filter:
  • He might be right... (Score:5, Informative)

    by HuffMeister ( 608243 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:18PM (#12511476)
    If my windows mobile phone didn't continually crash. Every couple of days the Windows Mobile OS crashes and it won't recognize any button presses. This is particularly annoying as it usually happens when answering calls, and requires pulling the battery out to hard resetting the phone. I originally got the phone because everybody in my office was getting them, and so I didn't have much of a choice. I was skeptical about running Microsoft anything, but I thought, "Hey: Different OS, Different Codebase, maybe it won't be filled with bugs!" Boy, was I wrong!
  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:20PM (#12511535)
    They can see the end of Windows and Office steaming towards them from a mile off and they want to be able to step aside before it hits them hard.

  • He's Right (Score:2, Informative)

    by SparafucileMan ( 544171 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:22PM (#12511568)
    Uh guys, he's right. Nokia is releasing their new phone in a few months: 4gb HD, phone, 2mp camera, and with decent battery life (as good as ipod!). Price ~$700. Now, imagine it in a few years. Why would anyone have 3 seperate gadgets, taking up 3 pockets (i only have 1 free pocket anyway), when you could get all 3 together in a tiny little phone for roughly the same price? ... Pretty soon, your cell-phone, mp3 player, pda/blackberry, and camera will all be in one tiny box. All that'll be left is your desktop computer/server/entertainment system for home, and if you're lucky, your laptop. Am I missing something?
  • by ericdano ( 113424 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:41PM (#12511871) Homepage
    Um, had one. It's too big and bulky.
  • by 8127972 ( 73495 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:47PM (#12511944)
    Apple and Motorola are working on a cell phone/iPod hybrid. However they're having a hard time getting carriers to sign on. Read about it here. [menafn.com]
  • Don't Laugh Now (Score:2, Informative)

    by Marko DeBeeste ( 761376 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:48PM (#12511960)
    Hold off until he tries to demo his Magick Alternative and it bursts into flame.
  • by SparafucileMan ( 544171 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:54PM (#12512024)
    I think in 5 years you'll think diferently. This is just the start. I mean, Apple II came out and mainframe people though "give me a fucking break. compromized POS". and now look who's top dog.
  • Re:Quacks (Score:3, Informative)

    by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:54PM (#12512028)
    When a guy goes "IE is better then Firefox and just as secure if not MORE secure" you know he's an idiot.

    When a "guy" says that, perhaps he's uneducated about the subject or biased. When Bill Gates says that about IE it's not only biased, it's good business sense.

    Like he would ever admit his software and marketshare domination is inferior/lower to another product out there.

    If you are going to rag on him you might as well do it for the right reasons.
  • by badasscat ( 563442 ) <basscadet75&yahoo,com> on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:56PM (#12512059)
    My point is, you don't need a high percentage of "being right" to be very successful. Who cares how often his predictions come true?

    The people who read his predictions, that's who.

    The point of this thread is not whether or not Bill Gates is successful. The point is whether or not he is right in his prediction that cell phones will overtake standalone DAPs for music playing. Lots of people assume that because he is successful, that his predictions carry some weight. And his predictions do carry some weight, but that does not imply that he is always, or even usually right.

    Gates has predicted a lot of things that have not come true. Some things (like the tablet PC) he insists still will come true, even if it's not happening the way he planned. Other things (like MSN and WebTV) he's basically given up on. But people often forget about these things when they read a new prediction, simply based on the fact that he has made a lot of money with Windows and Office. (And make no mistake - that's still where the vast majority of MS's revenue comes from.)
  • by poot_rootbeer ( 188613 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:57PM (#12512060)
    "A computer on every desk and in every home" - 1977

    This wasn't exactly a visionary statement anymore by 1977, what with the Apple (I AND II), the Commodore PET, and the Tandy TRS-80 Model 1 all on the market by then...
  • by Chicane-UK ( 455253 ) * <chicane-uk AT ntlworld DOT com> on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:01PM (#12512117) Homepage
    This is a shameless cut and paste from a previous post I made, but I feel its applicable here!


    You know I used to be of the same opinion, but my mind is changing on such things.

    I recently sold my Samsung E700 phone and upgraded to a Microsoft / Orange SPV C500. Its the size of a quite compact, regular phone, does all the regular phone stuff, but is powered by PocketPC - so I have access to Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, and all kinds of other wonderful things.

    I'll get the Microsoft bash out of the way first.. it crashes. As hilarious as it sounds, its the only phone i've ever had that crashes. I've had mobile phones for about 6 or 7 years now, and none of them have been as unreliable as this.. not even the very first Motorola 'brick' I had! It must crash on average once a month, which I feel is pretty poor..

    But onto the positive side. I genuinely feel that this is the swiss army knife of phones. Firstly it takes minisd cards.. so I can stick a nice 512MB minisd card in the phone, compress a DivX movie down to fit on the card, and then take a train and have a portable movie player with me. The screen is large compared to the rest of the size of the phone and is very clear. The phone comes with a handsfree kit which is also a pair of stereo headphones, so no annoying of my fellow passengers as I watch a film. I could also put MP3's on there and use it as an alternative to the iPod shuffle I recently bought...

    Secondly.. I never thought I would find having mobile internet access so helpful, but it is. Internet Explorer on this phone works surprisingly well, and renders most sites without too much trouble. Again, I never thought I would need such a frivolous feature but as I sat in Schipol airport with a girlfriend, late one Sunday night a few weeks back I wondered if I would be able to get a train back from Birmingham airport back in the UK or if the trains had all finished. No worry.. just whip out my phone, and check the train timetable online.. saved me a lot of hassle and time just having access to that. In the end we had to get a taxi ;)

    The camera is good too, and has come in handy so many times.. like getting a picture of the map of the maze at a country house before going into it so we can find our way back out if we get stuck or taking a quick snap of a note that you don't want to forget! :)

    Wonderful phone.. I don't think i'd change it for anything right now.. well.. maybe one with a bit more reliable firmware on it ;)

    Don't be so quick to gloss over the seemingly frivolous features. They are more useful than you realise sometimes!
  • by eeyore-on-thorazine ( 877293 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:02PM (#12512126)
    ..and has tried to release a phone with MP3/AAC/ITunes support in partnership with Nokia.

    The major wireless providers have basically shut the phone out of the market by opting not to subsidize them because they want music downloads through their networks as a revenue stream.

    It's not as if anyone is caught flat footed by convergence devices. The question is not if they will come about, but how long it takes a good one to make it past all the market barriers.

    Eeyore
  • Re:Anyone else... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Princeofcups ( 150855 ) <john@princeofcups.com> on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:04PM (#12512161) Homepage
    > Gates' prediction that the Internet would be huge business was not wrong at all.

    Um, no. Gates thought that the internet was a joke, not for the business user. M$ was very late coming out with a browser, because they had no interest until it was almost too late. They scrambled like mad to warp and mutate Mosaic into the non-standards complient bastard IE when it was obvious that the internet was not going away.

    jfs
  • by lolocaust ( 871165 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:22PM (#12512393) Journal
    I won't be a fan of Ipods until the play my ogg files

    http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page [ipodlinux.org]

    Check back on the iPodlinux project every few weeks, they are working on ogg playback. Once the 4th gen version is out of alpha, ogg can be implemented more easily, due to the more powerful processor.
  • Re:Sure... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:23PM (#12512397)
    posthumous [m-w.com]
    2 : published after the death of the author
    3 : following or occurring after death
  • Re:640k, Anyone? (Score:2, Informative)

    by 0kComputer ( 872064 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:24PM (#12512424)
    Can we please STFU about the 640K thing already, he didn't fucking say it. (see below)

    QUESTION: I read in a newspaper that in 1981 you said, ``640K of memory should be enough for anybody.'' What did you mean when you said this? ANSWER: I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time. The need for memory increases as computers get more potent and software gets more powerful. In fact, every couple of years the amount of memory address space needed to run whatever software is mainstream at the time just about doubles. This is well-known. When IBM introduced its PC in 1981, many people attacked Microsoft for its role. These critics said that 8-bit computers, which had 64K of address space, would last forever. They said we were wastefully throwing out great 8-bit programming by moving the world toward 16-bit computers. We at Microsoft disagreed. We knew that even 16-bit computers, which had 640K of available address space, would be adequate for only four or five years. (The IBM PC had 1 megabyte of logical address space. But 384K of this was assigned to special purposes, leaving 640K of memory available. That's where the now-infamous ``640K barrier'' came from.) A few years later, Microsoft was a big fan of Intel's 386 microprocessor chip, which gave computers a 32-bit address space. Modern operating systems can now take advantage of that seemingly vast potential memory. But even 32 bits of address space won't prove adequate as time goes on. Meanwhile, I keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that says 640K of memory is enough. There's never a citation; the quotation just floats like a rumor, repeated again and again.
  • by PopeAlien ( 164869 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:41PM (#12512617) Homepage Journal
    There's a decent size comparison here [spymac.com]

    I may be in the minority, but I would definately like to have an all-in-one device. I dont think we're there yet in terms of useability, but eventually why not? When we have the technology to make a phone thats too small to use, an mp3 player that you could lose amongst pocket change and a 10 mp digital camera smaller than a fingernail, I say figure out how to get them all into a single device with elegant functional design and I want one.
  • by klui ( 457783 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @04:05PM (#12512901)
  • by karmatic ( 776420 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @04:13PM (#12512984)
    Sure you aren't thinking of the treo 300? The 600 is actually smaller than the iPod. Got them both sitting next to me; I actually checked.

    The 300 was pretty big, though.
  • by shardaek ( 883525 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @04:36PM (#12513245) Homepage
    Nokia's highend handsets are running SymbianOS 7.0 and mostly their own Series 60 platform. It is not particularly stable and there are odd disparities between particular Nokia models that are supposed to run the same OS. If the OS could be updated OTA (Over-The-Air) it'd sure be neat but this won't be possible for a year or two yet. You have to go to a Nokia service center... My experience with Windows Mobile OS is that it offers pretty much the same stability. I haven't used too many applications created for Windows based handsets, but on Series 60 they are extremely unstable. Also the phones tend to leak a lot of memory and you shouldn't be surprised if you have to restart your brand new Nokia every few days. Sound familiar? Yep, but you cope with it, in the same way that you shrug when Windows decides that blue is the colour of the day. For some reason the "Out of memory. Close some applications and try again." tends to happen when you have the camera trained on some pretty girl :-( The handset will become the computer and integrate everything in itself. This I do not doubt and the industry is preparing for it already.
  • I live in Japan, and you definitely don't need windows to get it right on a cel phone OS - I had a beautiful Sharp phone (SH-53) from Vodafone that had a built in digital music player, 1Mp Digital Camera, web browser, 3d games (a version of ridge racer, a 3d golf game, and that 3d puzzle game for ps1, IQ) and the interface was better than any windows OS I've used - I can just imagine - MS trying to squeeze a Start button on the bottom left hand screen of everyone's phones...

    My latest phone isn't as fancy (Its a Sony Ericsson) but only cost 1Yen - Its got dual LCDs, a web browser, some 3D games, and a decent camera.

    Both phones had 3d animated menus that were perfect for what they were - menus for navigating some simple functions on a cel phone.

    Oh, and my latest phone has about 100 little animated smilies, cars, animals, and different graphics that I can use in my texts.

The last person that quit or was fired will be held responsible for everything that goes wrong -- until the next person quits or is fired.

Working...