Ogg Vorbis Share Reaches 12.3% on P2P Traffic 450
prostoalex writes "According to CacheLogic survey, 61.44% of the peer-to-peer traffic nowadays is video, with audio taking distant second place, representing 11.34% of global traffic. Moreover, 12.3% of all the music files traded on P2P networks are in Ogg format. Almost all of the OGG files are traded via BitTorrent protocol with most of the growth coming from Asia, CacheLogic says."
Nice misleading title (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Slightly OT (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Nice misleading title (Score:5, Informative)
> format, and the ones that do probably spend a lot
> of time trying to figure out why the sound works
> perfectly but the picture is so garbled.
Actually ogg is a container format which can contain both sound and video. Vorbis is the audio format.
PhatNoise (Score:2, Informative)
Re:OGG (Score:3, Informative)
But I get your point
Re:Ogg Vorbis Popularity (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Slightly OT (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Great (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Downloading Garbage (Score:5, Informative)
And hundreds of other bands in Archive.org [archive.org]
Re:Slightly OT (Score:2, Informative)
However, if you drop to around 160kb/s, you will 'hear' mp3, but will still not 'hear' ogg.
That's the bitrate story.
For what it's worth, the design of vorbis provides room for further improvment, so the situation may be different in the future, but there isn't a lot of significant work going on at the moment.
Re:Slightly OT (Score:3, Informative)
I was in the same boat as you (except with FLAC instead of OGG). EQU freakin' OWNS all over the place. You have no idea how good music can sound until you've tried this thing out. 31 bands!? [sourceforge.net]. Of course you can do fewer bands if you want.
Re:Slightly OT (Score:4, Informative)
For most listeners, the quality achieved by 256kb/s mp3 can be achieved at around 192kb/s with quality encoders such as LAME. That is, at this bitrate, the decoded material is indistinguishable from the original source by most (the majority of) listeners. This has been confirmed by a number of independent blind tests. Note that this is not universal for all listeners nor all source material, but it is generally found to be true. For these reasons, some people place their trust in psychoacoustic models to automatically choose a rate, or they add a "headroom" and pick a value like 256, as you state.
Comparably, ogg vorbis tends to achieve general transparency at around 160kb/s as compared to mp3. Again this is of course not for all listeners and all source material, but for the significant majority. I personally encode my music at -q 6 which tends to result in files of around 150 to 180 kbps, the encoder decides what is necessary from moment to moment.
Of course, modern AAC (and I say modern because the AAC format has been extended over time) seems to be able to achieve transparency at even lower bitrates, but less extensive tests have been done, so a precise number is hard to quote. However, Ogg/Vorbis has another significant benefit, in that it does not contain, or claims not to contain, any patented algorithms or technology, which is of real benefit to a variety of players including companies who wish to provide content in lossy formats, and companies who wish to provide players of lossy formats. Generally, individual do not see direct benefits of these issues, but avoiding of patent licenses should ultimate lower fees and increase competition among providers of both devices and content, and thus will result in greater choice and lower costs to end users, which should be of benefit to them.
Thus, in essence, ogg sits in a middling position in absolute quality, but holds a promise of improving the overall marketplace for all players, and using and supporting the format may bring about long range benefits to yourself.
Re:Portable music players (Score:5, Informative)
It's a pity OGG support isn't more wide-spread, and worse still that lots of people bitch about wanting mp3s, completely oblivious to the closed-source brick wall the "next generation" of mp3 formats is going to present. I naturally will be smug with my OGG-playing YP-T6 and EPIA running Linux/Freevo as a set-top multimedia player.
Re:Ogg Vorbis faces a challenge of intertia (Score:3, Informative)
Zero hardware? Not so. Cowen/JetAudio's iAudio, iRiver, MPIO, Rio, IOPS, Samsung, Neuros, ISM; all offer Ogg Vorbis-capable players.
In addition, many Symbian phones can use OggPlay to playback Ogg files.
Also, current versions of WinAmp handle Ogg, and there's plug-ins for the older versions. Xmms has always handled Ogg, IIRC.
Re:Downloading Garbage (Score:2, Informative)
Re:But does anybody use Theora yet? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Apple iPod OGG position (Score:3, Informative)
The rebuttaal was written by Monty from xiph.org. Monty is he author of the Tremor codec and OGG itself. I agree that Apple should offer support for OGG Vorbis on the iPod, or allow a third party to add support, because choice is a good thing. However, there is no technical reason that the iPod would be unable to play OGG Vorbis files.
Re:Portable music players (Score:2, Informative)
There's a bit of a discussion of the problem over at the Xiph wiki: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/Talk:PortablePlaye
Re:Mass Converter for Windows? (Score:2, Informative)
Yes, of course -- there is a loss of quality. But the difference when going from LAME standard to Vorbis Q5, for example, is something more accurately described as "barely noticeable" or "reasonably insignificant".
Certainly, if you frequently transcode your files from one lossy format to another, you will begin to notice artifacts. But the losses from a single transcoding are so slight that it is quite often worth it for some added convenience.
Re:Ogg Vorbis faces a challenge of intertia (Score:2, Informative)
Here's the reason why:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=det
Nobody has yet fixed them, so Ogg Vorbis is not an option under iTunes currently.
Ogg or Ogg Vorbis? (Score:2, Informative)
TFA doesn't say Ogg Vorbis anywhere. It says Ogg. For all we know, that's 99% Ogg Speex files (i.e. audiobooks or other recorded voice) and 1% Ogg Vorbis. Or it could be the other way around. We don't know because the article doesn't say. The claim that it's Ogg Vorbis is completely fabricated by the Slashdot submitter.
Re:Portable music players (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Downloading Garbage (Score:3, Informative)
What you fail to mention is that all these acts copy exactly what the NA crap machine spewed out 6 months ago. Whatever Britney does, expect the local manufactured singer/band to do, albeit a few month later.