Ogg Vorbis Share Reaches 12.3% on P2P Traffic 450
prostoalex writes "According to CacheLogic survey, 61.44% of the peer-to-peer traffic nowadays is video, with audio taking distant second place, representing 11.34% of global traffic. Moreover, 12.3% of all the music files traded on P2P networks are in Ogg format. Almost all of the OGG files are traded via BitTorrent protocol with most of the growth coming from Asia, CacheLogic says."
Slightly OT (Score:4, Interesting)
So... (Score:0, Interesting)
That's about a percent of all traffic.
Holy Hyperbole Batman!
Ogg Vorbis Popularity (Score:2, Interesting)
I used to ripp all my CDs straight to ogg, but seeing as I cant play ogg in my car, I've abandoned the idea.
Why no play the original CD's? I hear you say, because my car got broken into and they were all stolen.
Ogg's for cars would definiately be a great idea.
not only that... (Score:1, Interesting)
Way less compatibility!
Way doesn't work on my iPod!
Great news (Score:3, Interesting)
Hmm, that's interesting... (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder what percentage of that is video minors are allowed to see?
Ogg Vorbis faces a challenge of intertia (Score:4, Interesting)
I tried out several encoders in 2001 when considering compressing my music library. I tried double blind tests on the best realistic equipment I'd be using (then a 10 year old amp and pretty new Bose 501 speakers -- both are now clearly 4 years older) using my PC sound card's RCA outputs. Not an audiophile setup by any means, but certainly a bit better than the PC's internal speaker.
In my tests, Ogg Vorbis at 192KBps, MP3 (LAME) at 256KBps and something else.. WMA? at 256KBps were not decipherable from the original CD to my ears. Interestingly enough, I favored Ogg Vorbis even more because when I backed it down to 128KBps the artifacs I could hear sounded better than MP3's at 168. My choice was made -- Ogg Vorbis at 192KBps would be my preferred codec.
So I went around looking for what could play it. Only a few pieces of software (winamp and xmms were the two I cared about) and zero hardware. I had aspirations of taking music with me, so that left all but MP3 out of the game at the time.
I currently use iTunes to store and organize my library of 400+ CDs and synchronize a subset to my 1st generation 5GB iPod. Now that I've put that much effort into a single program, either another organizer will need to beat iTunes by being more comprehensive, useful, intuitive and stable, or iTunes will have to support Ogg Vorbis for me to encode future CDs in a codec other than MP3. Once iTunes encodes and plays Ogg Vorbis files, then I'll see about an iPod or similar that will play them (these days I'm in the iPod Shuffle price range). Since iTunes is a free (as in beer.. but where's all this free beer people talk about?) encoder, I'm not willing to pay for the inconvenience of switching to a new program.
Amazing where your media goes (Score:5, Interesting)
6 months later I buy a pirate copy in Mexico to show to a friend because I don't have *my* originals with me, and it was the same files (or at least, the same checksum when I checked with him). Also on the disk was a vorbis codec and instructions about how to install it... and how to rip new media with it to best effect.
Something to think about.
Re:Slightly OT (Score:3, Interesting)
Portable music players (Score:3, Interesting)
Ogg on P2P (Score:3, Interesting)
of the seeders/uploaders/whatever you call them. If the parties ripping the music files decide to use Ogg over mp3 and the downloaders want the song, they're going to find a way to play them. This goes double for binaries groups... I remember quite a few times having to find new players for the various formats people would use, because I really wanted to hear more obscure (and otherwise unavailable) recordings.
I also wonder, though this is pure speculation, if non-mp3 (and non-wma?) formats are gaining popularity because of the floods of garbage mp3s. The RIAA and whoever else is responsible probably aren't bothering with the marginal formats, at least not yet.
How to stop that? (Score:1, Interesting)
Well, we can turn this theory against them and use this to remove junk from filesharing repositories. The key is to use in combination with Torrents. Typically a poisoned file is not detectable until you have already downloaded all of it, by which time it's too late. Normal file transfers like FTP are vulnerable, but not a torrent.
Since torrents split a file into many small parts
this lends itself to a distributed (random access) signature check. With only a few packets of a torrent it should be possible to determine if an audio (or video) file is the genuine article.
This does not require that you have a precomputed analysis of the file, it works on any file dynamically constructing the distance matrix on the fly.
As an outline: The order in which torrent units arrive is not sequential, you may get the first chunk followed by chunk 3167, then chunk 23, etc... Now then.. If a file is junk the mean distance between a sufficiently large set of chunks is low [the poisoning usually fills the file with noise or a looped segment] , if the file is genuine the average of these differences will be large, since most music and video evolves.
An extention to the torent protocol could perhaps expose this 'spectral diversity profile with only a handful of chunks'
Admitedly, very repetitive music might throw false negatives, but most music should pass the test.
Please mod up if you feel this worthy of dicussion. Cheers.
Re:Downloading Garbage (Score:5, Interesting)
For example, a survey in thailand gave thai teens to prefer local as opposed to foreign (i.e. western) at 90%+. Just check the content on the MTV Thailand for a large quantity of their local music.
Most of my friends are asian in asia, and prefer their own music as opposed to north american derived.
I'd recommend giving your own head a shake and stop living in a north american/euro-centric dreamland. The entire world doesn't automatically desire NA goods by virtue of their being from NA, and forsake their own. For example, check out oricon for listings of what is popular in Japan-you will see some western but a lot of local music as well (predominantly usually).
I'll grant western music is heavily pirated, but so too is their local; you pirate what you want to hear, and if local music is preferenced...
Re:Downloading Garbage (Score:2, Interesting)
My belief is that art is not something that money should be made off of. Art is a form of expression or talent. Artists claim that in order to make their art, they need money. You don't need money to express yourself. You don't need to get money for expressing yourself. While making art can be your profession, it should not be your source of income. Artists should have real jobs that contribute something. While entertaining people is somewhat contributing something, it is definately not worth the millions of dollars that they receive.
Some of what I said might not reflect exactly what I feel because I have trouble putting ideas like that into words. Take it with a grain of salt or whatever.
Re:NO!!!!!! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Slightly OT (Score:5, Interesting)
I can give you one reason it's not as big on the Mac as it is on Linux- support. The Macintosh OS-plugin [sourceforge.net] for Ogg never made it out of Beta, hasn't been updated in 15 months, and doesn't work with Quicktime 7- which includes pretty much everyone who's updated to Tiger or run software update under Panther. I mean no offense, I'm glad that people volunteer their time to make things like Ogg for free, but to be practical- I don't pay anything to rip to MP3, AAC, or Apple Lossless, and right now all my Ogg files won't play for who knows how long. It makes the format a pretty risky choice for Mac users.
Yes, I know that there are other applications that play Ogg files on the Mac, but they're not competitive with iTunes, and I'm not going to change players depending on what music file I want to listen to.
Copyright is Over, If you want it (Score:3, Interesting)
I no longer accept anyone's definition of copyright or the expectation of any person or corporation that they can legally deny access to any digitized recording, image, or written work for any reason.
Think I'm "stealing"? Think what you like, I don't care.
'The LAW explicitly says...". I don't care. The people who pass laws are directly paid by the corporations to pass laws that are directly benefit the corporations and no one else. That isn't law, it's just purchased muscle.
"The poor exploited musicians...", Give me a break. Get a job. Stop expecting people to give you money because "you're cool". The more the economy sinks, the less I feel inclined to give money to people because they extrude charisma.
I'm really beginning to wish that all the celebrities would all just go the fuck away. I really don't need them, I don't care about them, they don't care about me. I'm never going to give them any more money, regardless of what they do, or how great their new CD or film is. The 20th century is over, there's a new thing around, something is happening but you don't what it is, do you, Ms. Jones?
Get out of my face, and take your tits with you.
I hope Steve Jobs reads this article (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Amazing where your media goes (Score:3, Interesting)
My brother took a copy of his Black Adder DVDs back with him to China in Xvid+Vorbis format (to save damaging the originals).
6 months later I buy a pirate copy in Mexico to show to a friend because I don't have *my* originals with me, and it was the same files (or at least, the same checksum when I checked with him). Also on the disk was a vorbis codec and instructions about how to install it... and how to rip new media with it to best effect.
If you encode the exact same files (ripping a DVD is much more precise than ripping a CD; the video is just files on the DVD) with the exact same codec and the exact same settings (which could easiliy happen if you use some kind of well-known tool to do it), the results will also be exactly the same and hence have the same checksum. Doesn't mean that they were actually your brother's files.