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Rio Brand Closes Doors 377

Castar writes "In a press release today, D&M Holdings announced the end of the Rio brand. Rio had a troubled history, but were responsible for the first mass-market MP3 players as well as more recent popular players such as the Rio Karma. This closing follows the sale of Rio's IP to Sigmatel, maker of chipsets for many audio players, including the iPod Shuffle." From the release: "The company's decision to exit the Rio business followed a determination that the mass-market portable digital audio player market was not a strong enough strategic fit with the company's core and profitable premium consumer electronics brands to warrant additional investment in the category. The original goal of strategic advantage with wholly-owned and branded portable client devices was reconsidered in the context of the costs required to effectively scale and compete in this sector, where competition has grown intense. D&M Holdings will now focus all its resources on the core Premium AV business and advanced content server products."
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Rio Brand Closes Doors

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  • Why I didn't buy (Score:3, Informative)

    by Spazmania ( 174582 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @05:43PM (#13411501) Homepage
    I didn't buy a Rio for one simple reason: No expandability. I couldn't add a larger memory card. So I got a little Kodak camera/mp3 player instead that could use compact flash.
  • Re:Why I didn't buy (Score:3, Informative)

    by merreborn ( 853723 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @05:49PM (#13411570) Journal
    Depends which model you're talking about. All of the original Rio PMP300-based models took smartmedia cards. I personally spent a good $300 on a 64MB PMP300SE with an additional 32MB smart media card. God, flash was expensive in '98 :( At any rate, I can't speak to the model you were looking at, but Rio did make expandable players.
  • by CronoCloud ( 590650 ) <cronocloudauron.gmail@com> on Friday August 26, 2005 @05:52PM (#13411598)
    AAC is not a closed format, it's the Fairplay DRM that can be attached to it thats closed.

    Take the CD's you ripped into iTunes, transfer the songs over to a Sony PSP (renaming the extension to mp4), they'll play.
  • by inkswamp ( 233692 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @05:57PM (#13411633)
    You just had to kill a good market with your trendy IPods.

    That's great. There WAS NO substantial market for this stuff before Apple came along and did it in a consumer-friendly way that made it easy for non-geeks to download and buy music. They practically created the market that you're accusing them of ruining. That makes sense. I guess.

    I'd rather use a player where I am not limited to closed formats like aac.

    Silly troll. I have 1000+ songs on my iPod and it has no AACs on it. I have all mp3s that I've ripped from my own CDs or bought from (gasp!) non-Apple music stores. Try knowing what you're talking about before posting. It makes these forums a little more useful.

  • by radish ( 98371 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @05:58PM (#13411646) Homepage
    The problem was Rio just didn't offer any compelling "stand-out" features
    They offered several features which were compelling to me (and not found in Apple products):

    Gapless playback
    FLAC support
    Vorbis support

    That's why I don't want an iPod at any price, and why I just ordered a spare Karma in case mine (now 18 months old) ever dies.
  • by wazzzup ( 172351 ) <astromacNO@SPAMfastmail.fm> on Friday August 26, 2005 @06:02PM (#13411677)
    AAC is open. It's owned by Dolby Labs and anybody can license it. It is as free for licensing as mp3 is. You do realize that mp3 also requires a license?

    You're probably thinking of iTunes music store songs which is AAC in a DRM wrapper. Would you hate mp3 and call it closed if Apple managed to put a DRM wrapper around the mp3 format? Do you rail against the umpteen million models of Windows Media players out there?

    The iPod also plays mp3's. So, unless you limit digital audio to a player that plays OGG and FLAC you present yourself as not really knowing what you're talking about.
  • Re:I wonder... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Gogo Dodo ( 129808 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @06:13PM (#13411764)
    It was noted in the press release: D&M Holdings will continue to support retailers and customers of its Rio brand through all final sale and post-sales activities, including customer service, repair, warranty and sales channel support. D&M Holdings is committed to continuing service levels without compromise.
  • by RzUpAnmsCwrds ( 262647 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @06:33PM (#13411911)
    Average desktop is ~100W (Higher under load, lower at idle). That works out to 2.4KWh/day, it takes about 0.81 lbs of coal to generate a KWh of electricity (1), so a computer requires about 1.94lbs of coal to run for a day.

    "Two Circus tents" is a complete bullshit metric, and, regardless, 1.94lbs of coal @ 1.55g/cm^3 (2) equals about 568cm^3 of coal.

    In a whole year, a computer requires about 20 cubic meters of coal. That's a lot of coal, but it's still orders of magnitude less than "two circus tents".

    Oh, and, by the way - optical mice are far from "useless", and at http://www.ncgreenpower.org/elements/pdfs/Calculat or%20Methodology.pdf

    2: http://www.mcelwee.net/html/densities_of_various_m aterials.html [mcelwee.net]
  • by BlastM ( 663010 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @06:45PM (#13411967) Journal
    In fact right now I'm listening to some FLAC-encoded music on my Rio Karma through my stereo.

    The Karma is a technical masterpiece. Any audiophile or Linux geek who doesn't own or yearn for a Karma is quite crazy.

    Reviewers and market analysts unvariably bestow the title of "iPod Killer" on a new DAP based on one or two big features. Maybe it's size, or maybe it's Ogg Vorbis playback that makes a player an iPod killer. In my opinion iPod Killer isn't a feature but an overall package. The iPod is exceptional in no particular area (except perhaps design). It is so successful because it is a solid overall package that performs everything at an acceptable level.

    The Rio Karma was the one player that, from a technical standpoint, I believed could be the iPod killer. (Of course, the marketing strength of Apple prevailed, which says a lot about the market). But technically the Karma defeated the iPod on all fronts. Ogg Vorbis and FLAC playback were the big ones, but it's the little things that really make you appreciate it as a player.

    Gapless: My Karma is getting long in the tooth, but there's nothing out there, even today, that comes close to the Karma technically. I couldn't ever go back to a player that doesn't have gapless playback (i.e. automatic elimination of the gap between subsequent MP3 files (inherrent to the MP3 format), and playing gapless Vorbis and FLAC files back gaplessly). None of the HDD players do this (if you know of one that does, please let me know! I want one!)

    97dB S:N RCA Line Out: The RCA ports on the dock provided an amazing sound on high-end equipment via the true line out. Using a 3.5mm->RCA adapter in the headphone port just isn't the same.

    100Mbps Ethernet port: Not having USB2.0 at the time I, and many others bought the Rio Karma, the ethernet port on the dock was a great way for not only uploading files quickly, but uploading them from a distance, e.g. with your Karma sitting in it's dock on the stereo or hooked up to your car stereo in the garage (using a laptop with wifi to bridge the connection).

    Java app: The Java app made uploading and managing music on Linux and MacOSX as well as Windows easy. A lot easier to download a Java app from the built-in web server than to pull out the install CD, run the install, reboot for every computer you want to upload files from (assuming it runs Windows).

    Embedded Web Server: OK this one isn't really crucial to the player (it's really cool to show off) but it sure is convenient for downloading the Java app to control the unit. The web server had a lot of unrealised potential (e.g. adding a web interface to control the player) but the Rio developers never added that, and now they never will.

    The Dock: The little marvel of a dock, included with all Karma's sold, was cool in its own right. Aesthetically it fits in with most stereo equipment better than the iPod and its dock. Not only does it have a 100Mb ethernet port, stereo RCA outputs, USB2.0 and power port, but it glows blue and flashes in time to the music!

    So to say the Karma was ahead of its time is not entirely accurate. The Karma's time never arrived.
  • by dfghjk ( 711126 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @06:47PM (#13411986)
    of course that was done by another company that rio bought out. empegcar I believe. Why that type of product hasn't succeeded I don't understand. Why iPod integration in cars is so crappy I don't understand either. Why the Kenwood Music Keg is so bad is hard to believe yet it is. Why can't we enjoy superior sound and usability in the car at this point?
  • Re:AKA (Score:3, Informative)

    by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @06:47PM (#13411989)
    It's hard for me to understand how Rio went under, because I have a Rio S30 and think it's great. Here are the features I like, for my application (which is running):

    Cheap. I paid $58 + an add-on SD card.

    Lightweight

    Skip-proof

    Playlists (usually no need to mess with buttons while running)

    Bookmarks (especially good for books on tape)

    FM tuner (I like listening to the news sometimes... also for the TV audio feed at gyms)

    Stopwatch (I don't wear a separate wristwatch... no need)

    Backlight (imperative if you run at night or predawn)

    Standard, easily replaceable battery (AAA).

    A hold switch to prevent accidental button pushing.

    IMHO, this cheap little player has almost the perfect feature set me. Though I can't compare it to an iPod because I don't have one.

  • by Klaruz ( 734 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @06:59PM (#13412074)
    True, I should have mentioned that, but I wanted a short post. The guys who built it are very smart, I can still find them on the empeg bbs. The thing has a community around it that rivals other fanatical communities of dead products like the amiga.

    I realize some day I'll have to retire mine, I still brainstorm about what the perfect mp3 player for the car would be like, and it always looks something like an empeg.
  • Re:Why I didn't buy (Score:3, Informative)

    by jnaujok ( 804613 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @07:03PM (#13412095) Homepage Journal
    Funny, my wife's RIO (something...mumble) took SD cards. It had 256MB built in, and then she could drop in a 1GB SD card and listen to 10-20 hours of audio. (Audio books at 56kbits don't take much space). And it was about 2.5 inches (that's 7CM) across.

    I always wanted to swipe it.
  • by aristotle-dude ( 626586 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @07:15PM (#13412163)
    Almost nobody cares about OGG, FLAC or even WMA these days.

    Besides "looks", the iPod has a huge third-party addon market and the largest online music store to supply users with music.

  • Re:AKA (Score:3, Informative)

    by larry bagina ( 561269 ) on Friday August 26, 2005 @10:51PM (#13413146) Journal
    iPods on the other hand can't live without iTunes so I am not sure how much appeal they would have in places where you cannot subscribe to its on-line store.

    iTunes can live without iTMS (the iTunesMusicStore). In fact, iTunes predates iTMS and even the iPod.

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