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Bad Reporting, Not Email, Worse Than Marijuana 290

MoNickels writes "Turns out, those endless news reports and blog entries in April about "texting makes you stupid" were inaccurate. As linguist Mark Liberman at LanguageLog now reports by way of apologizing to Wilson, it wasn't Wilson's fault, but that of "rotten science journalism." Psychologist Glenn Wilson was reported to have done a study said that chat and email, as the Guardian put it, "are a greater threat to IQ and concentration than taking cannabis." But Wilson says, "This...is a temporary distraction effect—not a permanent loss of IQ. The equivalences with smoking pot and losing sleep were made by others, against my counsel, and 8 [subjects] somehow became '80 clinical trials.'" The original Slashdot story was covered back in April."
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Bad Reporting, Not Email, Worse Than Marijuana

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:12PM (#13654962)
    From Wiki "Carl Sagan was an avid user of marijuana, although he never publicly admitted it during his life. Under the pseudonym "Mr. X," he wrote an essay concerning cannabis smoking in the 1971 book Marihuana Reconsidered, whose editor was Lester Grinspoon. In the essay, Sagan commented that marijuana encouraged some of his works and enhanced experiences. After Sagan's death, Grinspoon disclosed this to Sagan's biographer, Keay Davidson. When the biography, entitled Carl Sagan: A Life, was published in 1999, the marijuana exposure stirred some media attention."

    Billions and billions of stars... whoa man far out.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:14PM (#13654976)
    This is why undergraduate degrees in journalism shuold be abolished. Aspiring journalists need to get a background in something, anything, so that they have a better grasp of specific subjects and general critical thought.

    News media also need to not be profit-driven, but I also want a pony.
  • Well... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Donniedarkness ( 895066 ) <Donniedarkness@g ... BSDcom minus bsd> on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:17PM (#13654999) Homepage
    At least Wilson got some publicity!

    Honestly, I doubt his report would have gotten around quite as much if it would have been reported correctly. And now that the correct info is getting out, he's getting even more publicity. In the end, I think that Wilson probably is going to benefit from this.

  • Re:really that bad? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Peyna ( 14792 ) on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:22PM (#13655023) Homepage
    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2140 [newscientist.com]

    Of course, how many pot smokers do you know that just give up and quit?
  • by phizman ( 742537 ) on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:24PM (#13655034)
    If you spend all day emailing jokes and images, then it should be pretty obvious you are going to take a hit to the IQ. Not all people discuss stupid sh*t though email/im/irc.
  • Assumptions... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Sheetrock ( 152993 ) on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:25PM (#13655036) Homepage Journal
    Our brains are influenced by much of what we do. Wandering away a bit from this "scientific study", I wonder if we are being permanently and negatively affected by increasing the pace at which we are being asked to task-switch due to technology.

    The original article, despite its unfortunate lack of correctness, did give me pause to question whether permitting and accepting distraction with the sort of ease and frequency that is now present between cellphones and e-mail and fax and the Internet is actually causing long-term damage to our ability to think critically and plan the most efficient use of our time -- instead, the immediacy of a phone call or e-mail adds priority from proximity to matters that may be better left till tonight or tomorrow.

    I've been noticing a sharp increase of people with brain-fry over the last decade, and it can't all be from drugs.

  • Re:really that bad? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sm00f ( 819489 ) on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:36PM (#13655101)
    I've just gave up and quit multiple times myself, you might feel a bit edgey and bitchy for 2-3 days after but then you are fine, not any worse than caffeine withdrawal IMO. of course if I had the $ and a good supply I'd never quit because marijuana gives me brilliant ideas and more creativity for my job.
  • Re:really that bad? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jkauzlar ( 596349 ) * on Monday September 26, 2005 @08:49PM (#13655167) Homepage
    I'd heard this about Carl Sagan and just looked it up in Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:
    Carl Sagan was an avid user of marijuana, although he never publicly admitted it during his life[4]. Under the pseudonym "Mr. X," he wrote an essay concerning cannabis smoking in the 1971 book Marihuana Reconsidered, whose editor was Lester Grinspoon. In the essay, Sagan commented that marijuana encouraged some of his works and enhanced experiences. After Sagan's death, Grinspoon disclosed this to Sagan's biographer, Keay Davidson. When the biography, entitled Carl Sagan: A Life, was published in 1999, the marijuana exposure stirred some media attention.

    I remember in college having roommates who would do just about everything, including homework, while stoned. Personally, I could never remember the details of a movie I'd watched while stoned, so I can't imagine it could be good for schoolwork. Most of the potheads I knew never made it far, and some are doing really great, but Carl Sagan and scores of successful writers (like the entire beat generation from the 50's & 60's) have shown that pot doesn't have to make you stupid if you're motivated to begin with.

    If you ever listen to Dr. Drew on radio loveline you know they can tell a pothead, even if he isn't stoned, from the initial drawl of their 'hello.' The apparent IQ effect on potheads probably has a lot to do on the kind of people smoking it and where their priorities lie.

  • Dude! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jkauzlar ( 596349 ) * on Monday September 26, 2005 @09:03PM (#13655244) Homepage
    This website [cannabisculture.com] also lists Stephen Jay Gould and Richard Feynman, among others.

    This website [veryimport...theads.com], while not too reliable-looking, lists several surprising names, including notable politicians (but we're discussing IQ here, so ignore those) and cites Bill Gates as a possible pothead. Most of the names listed are musicians (like Bob Marley-- duh!) and actors and writers, and if you're going to talk about them, you can just go ahead and list about every musician since the 50's :)

  • Re:really that bad? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ToxicBanjo ( 905105 ) on Monday September 26, 2005 @09:09PM (#13655287)
    I can confirm that.

    I'm a successful software developer and IT admin with a long standing contract with a multi-million dollar company and I have been smoking pot off and on for 15 years. I have seen a lack of concentration while I'm high but nothing in regards to loss of mental capacity in the long run.

    In fact, some of my most creative work has been while I was intoxicated.

    I'm also a long time sufferer of Migraine with Aura and have not only noticed a decline in frequency but also a significant decline in intensity of my Migraine attacks. I firmly believe this is a direct result of cannibis. It used to be common for me to be prescribed opiates for pain management and now I don't need to put my body through that kind of trauma. The physical effects of Percacet, Morphine, Codeine, etc far outway the benefits imho.

    I think the distinction needs to be made though that I'm not an abuser of substances, I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't drink, and my pot use is confined to my house and the evenings when I'm finished work. Some people have a beer afterwork, I have a joint.

    I don't endorse use as it can become a problem, but I also think that governments and medical practitioners should seriously look at marijuana law reform. I'm an adult and I should have the right to do what I want provided I don't hurt anyone else in the process, besides, alcohol or cigarettes kill more people each year than pot ever could. I'm not saying we should have the right to take any drug, but I think anyone who has smoked pot at one time in their life can agree that its "government endorsed" distinction as a life destroyer is totally unfounded.

    Just my $0.02
  • Grumble.. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26, 2005 @10:46PM (#13655745)
    I whole-heartedly believe it's time for the negative image Cannabis has to change. The negative stereotype of the "lazy stoner" simply doesn't hold up these days. Many respectable people, even the mayor of New York, have tried and/or still use Cannabis. There's been multiple studies showing how Cannabis simply isn't as dangerous as the drug propaganda wants you to believe it is. It's been proven to have medical value, and there are people who will benefit from using Cannabis medically. There's absolutely no reason why it should still be outlawed in this day in age.

    Besides, who in the hell has authority to dictate what one person can and cannot put in their body?
  • State dependence (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wytcld ( 179112 ) on Monday September 26, 2005 @11:01PM (#13655793) Homepage
    It's well-known through research that memory is best for things which you experienced when in a similar state. So you remember sad things better when you're sad, happy when you're happy, stoned when you're stoned, straight when you're straight, tired when you're tired, and so on. This makes biological sense: You're most likely to have use for the lessons of a part of the past when you're next in a most similar situation.

    It's also part of how we are able to key our personalities for different functions: That morning cup of coffee; the happy hour drink after work.

    This is a separate effect from that which can be occassioned by heavy drinking or (perhaps) really heavy pot smoking, where the circuits for laying down long-term memory appear to be interrupted so that even going back to a similar state won't retrieve the memories. But it's a confounding factor in reports about pot. Someone who's normally a bit depressed, but becomes happy when stoned, will remember things from the time when stoned just fine -- when they're stoned again. However, in their accustomed depressive state, not so much.
  • by yotto ( 590067 ) on Monday September 26, 2005 @11:51PM (#13655982) Homepage
    On the one hand, this realization flies in the face of contemporary linguistic thought. On the other hand, OMFG U GOT SO PWNX0RZD!!@!~!~!
  • by g0at ( 135364 ) <[ac.taogyz] [ta] [neb]> on Tuesday September 27, 2005 @01:59AM (#13656393) Homepage Journal
    Marijuana? Addiction? Show me some proof.

    I smoke weed from time to time. I sure ain't addicted.

    -ben
  • by evildogeye ( 106313 ) on Tuesday September 27, 2005 @04:38AM (#13656758) Homepage
    Marijuana isn't addictive.


    American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV doesn't require drug users to go through withdrawal in order to classify them as addicts. Instead, the criteria for what is called "drug dependence" looks how deeply people are immersed in drug use, for its negative consequences for their lives, and for its disturbances of their normal life functioning, including family, work, and health.


    Marijuana does not modify the brain. It affects it yes, but once it's gone the brain
    is the same


    Although science is not absolutely conclusive on this, it is fairly clear that Marijuana usage does permanently modify the brain to some extent. Once it is gone, the brain may be similar, but it is definitely not the same. As people age, they normally lose neurons in the hippocampus, which decreases their ability to remember events. Chronic THC exposure may probably hastens the age-related loss of hippocampal neurons. In one series of studies, rats exposed to THC every day for 8 months (approximately 30 percent of their lifespan), when examined at 11 to 12 months of age, showed nerve cell loss equivalent to that of unexposed animals twice their age

    Study [nih.gov]

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 27, 2005 @08:45AM (#13657469)
    On the contrary, the source of the Nixon Report is the Nixon Administration. It wanted to study the drug as extensively as it could at the time. It was specifically looking for negative qualities for political reasons (to support the 1970 OmniBus Drug Act, which is the basis for drugs being illegal today). Whether this study is reproduced at a pro- or anti- drug site does not diminish its impartiality (with respect to its ultimate findings) or change its source.

    As for your hand-waving, unsupported claims about the dangers of marijuana, you have utterly failed to provide even one source to support your claim. I, on the other hand, can negate any source you might find by way of the latest edition of the most widely-used medical textbook in the world, The Merck Manual of Diagnostics and Therapeutics.

    From the entry titled Cannabis (Marijuana) Dependence [merck.com]:

    Chronic or periodic use of cannabis producing some psychologic dependence but no physical dependence.

    Any drug that causes euphoria and diminishes anxiety can cause dependence, and cannabis is no exception. However, heavy use and complaints of inability to stop are unusual. Cannabis can be used episodically without evidence of social or psychologic dysfunction. The term dependence probably is misapplied to many users. No withdrawal syndrome occurs when the drug is discontinued, but some heavy users report disrupted sleep and nervousness when they stop.


    This entry is, quite simply, the final word on cannabis. Only a study done in the past year could change this. And, even then, the study would, per the scientific method (the basis of medicine), await confirmation. I have seen no such study in the scientific literature. Have you?

    And please don't provide a political article or anecdote to support your claim.

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