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Outspoken Group Releases Album as Free Download 457

SirNuke writes "Harvey Danger, a Seattle based rock band, has released their newest album Little by little for free mp3 download. They are doing this partially as an Internet publicity experiment, and partially as a stand against the Music Industry's attack on filesharing. From their website, 'In preparing to self-release our new album, we thought long and hard about how best to use the internet. Given our unusual history, and a long-held sense that the practice now being demonized by the music biz as "illegal" file sharing can be a friend to the independent musician, we have decided to embrace the indisputable fact of music in the 21st century, put our money where our mouth is, and make our record, Little By Little..., available for download via Bittorrent, and at our website. We're not streaming, or offering 30-second song samples, or annoying you with digital rights management software; we're putting up the whole record, for free, forever. Full stop. Please help yourself; if you like it, please share with friends.' I suggest you check it out."
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  • jeff cliff (Score:5, Informative)

    by schnits0r ( 633893 ) * <nathannd@@@sasktel...net> on Monday October 03, 2005 @02:05AM (#13701996) Homepage Journal
    That is nothing, artists have been doing that for awhile now. Jeff Cliff [stumbleupon.com] a semi local musician has offered [uregina.ca] his music for download freely in mp3 and ogg vorbis for at least 5 years now.
  • by brain_not_ticking ( 722737 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @02:17AM (#13702032)
  • by Dwonis ( 52652 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @02:19AM (#13702043)
    Here's the Ogg Vorbis torrent [harveydanger.com].
  • Clap Clap Clap (Score:5, Informative)

    by gflores ( 728935 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @02:19AM (#13702045)
    For those who haven't heard of Harvey Danger, they're a mid-90s rock band and their hit song was "Flagpole Sitta". I applaude them for doing this, because they're not exactly a no-name band.
  • by Sugar Moose ( 686011 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @02:19AM (#13702046) Journal
    To better understand why an artist would do this, I figured some people would like to know the actual financial breakdown of the music industry. I have several very good friends in the music industry, one is the publicist for several major artists, so here's the skinny:

    For a standard artist (not yet established), out of every CD sold they receive about $0.20. For you non-math whizzes, that means when their album turns platinum (1 million copies sold), they bank $200,000. Seem low? It is, but we'll get to that.

    For an established artist, there are 2 possibilities. The first is that they have their own label. If this is the case, they will still use one of the major labels for distribution, and they have to pay all those little people that made things happen, but they're pocketing more cash. The second possibility is that the record company convinced them to stay by offering a MUCH better contract, which ends up being about as much as having their own label minus the hassle.

    But this still isn't a big portion of their income. That comes from several other sources.

    ASCAP is The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers. They dictate who can play your music, such as music at a bar or in a restaurant. They have a virtual monopoly on all genres of music (out of 100 established artists, maybe 1 or 2 are not signed with ASCAP), they are expensive, and they are about as well liked by the people that know them as the RIAA is here. Tactics include sending in "undercover agents" to places not paying ASCAP, and writing down the inevidable songs that they play. Then comes an agent, who will "aggressively suggest" that you pay up to ASCAP or be sued out of business. They've actually had people call the cops on them thinking it was a mafia shakedown. Oh, and they've never lost in court.

    There's some issue over how much of that cash actually makes it to the artists, but rest assured it's much more than they're getting from their label for album sales.

    Licensing of music is stepping up into a bigger payscale. This mostly refers to commercials, movies, and now video games. Obviously the pay scale varies widely based on the popularity of the artist and of the specific song, but there are virtually no costs for the artist.

    Touring is where the money is really at. To give you an idea of how much, you need to understand what a "floor" is. This refers to the minimum amount an artist is willing to make in a performance. Let's take Britney Spears for example. Her "floor" is (or was, it constantly changes) $750,000. What this means is that if the show only makes $500,000, she still gets paid $750,000, and the organizers eat a loss of $250,000 plus production costs. Also keep in mind that organizers know what they're doing, and shows hardly ever hit the floor. So you can assume for her last tour, Britney pocketed $1+ million for each of the 37 shows on her last tour.

    And that's just at the gate. Don't forget to buy your T-shirt, or poster, or anything else "Britney" that cost a dollar to make and $8/hr for some schmuck to sell it to you. All of that money goes straight back to her.

    For the really big artists, you can cap it off with an endorsement or two. Britney's Pepsi endorsement deal was reportedly $10+ million.

    Substatial evidence that music sharing doesn't effect album sales aside, there's a reason sharing music doesn't hurt artists. Singles act as commercials for all the other things that make them money. They want their music played on the radio so you can hear it for free. They want their video played on MTV so you can see it for free. It's called exposure, and it's a good thing like Martha Stewart doesn't even know. If an unsigned artist found out people had downloaded 100,000 copies of his song, he'd crap his pants he'd be so happy.

    There's a reason Harvey Danger is willing to do this. It's also like VW letting people download their latest commercial. Good. It will probably make more people buy their cars.

    It's not just a publicity stunt or moral stand, it's a brilliant financial move.
  • Simply incredible (Score:5, Informative)

    by nekoes ( 613370 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @02:42AM (#13702129) Journal
    I guess it was only a matter of time before bigger artists finally started offering better online distribution options... but for Harvey Danger to offer an entire album on their site - one that's encoded correctly and free to boot - that's almost a dream come true. I hope this experiment of theirs works out, because I'd love to see a lot more artists out there take note.

    For those who don't realize why this is a rather big deal, Harvey Danger was a fairly popular rock band from the late nineties. They're most known for Flagpole Sitta', off of the album Where Have All the Merrymakers Gone?. That album and Kings James Version are both pretty decent and it's kind of sad the band has fallen to the wayside as of late. Hopefully this publicity will do something for them besides raise their bandwidth costs.

    While the whole idea may not be entirely novel, they're still one of the few more popular bands that are offering a full album for download off of their site. Also their site doesn't have any terribly gaudy and annoying flash elements. Kudos for that.
  • by 20th Century Boy ( 903797 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @02:50AM (#13702149)
    You probably didn't go to high school in the 90's, they are rather well known with the mainstream rock crowd.
  • Re:Gimme a break... (Score:3, Informative)

    by TrancePhreak ( 576593 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:09AM (#13702197)
    I agree, the parent is no troll. Just look at The Smashing Pumpkins. They've given away several of their albums and it's hardly a new thing. While it's nice that they did it, the post seems like a me-too in comparison.
  • by greg1104 ( 461138 ) <gsmith@gregsmith.com> on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:13AM (#13702202) Homepage
    The album has been released on their own label. Their 2000 album came out on Sire records, which is a division of Warner Bros. So this is not your standard indie artist story; this is a band who had a big contract at one point but has now given up on the majors and decided to do it themselves.

    According to the RIAA, their most successful album, "Where Have All the Merrymakers Gone?", was certified a Gold record in early 1999, which means it sold at least 500,000 copies. Since it wasn't upgraded to Platinum, that means it didn't sell as many as 1M. As the single for "Flagpole Sitta" from there hit #3 on Billboard's "Modern Rock Tracks" chart, they may have sold a good number of those as well. I suspect they're planted firmly in one-hit wonder territory myself, but it's quite possible they could have a lucky hit or something and sell 750,000 copies of the new album.
  • by shanen ( 462549 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:14AM (#13702204) Homepage Journal
    Not exactly on topic, but closely related is the ads on certain DVD movies. I don't know if this is a widespread practice, or perhaps just a new trend in Japan, or just another example of my innocence, but... I only saw it for the first time last yesterday. It was a movie DVD that we rented, but the default play mode was to show a whole bunch of movie trailers before the actual "feature" film. On top of that, after the main movie, they had appended a chunk of another movie that was supposed to encourage you to view that one, too.

    None of this advertising had any direct benefit to the artists that the MPAA claims to be protecting. You'd think we should have control over what we'd paid to see, though the MPAA obviously feels differently about it. It's clearly intended to create demand, and if there's any additional benefit to the artists, it's basically accidental. However, the part that really annoyed me was that all but one of the movies they were plugging were stupid ones without any relation to the feature film that we rented. The "featured advertisement" with the long trailer was actually for a totally annoying movie that I'd never heard of--probably one of those direct-to-DVD losers. The trailer totally failed to motivate renting or buying that garbage movie, and we didn't (and never will) watch the "free bonus" part of that garbage movie at the end.

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:16AM (#13702214)
    Magnatune, where you can download for hours and hours, and use'm in yer podcasts too... [geeknet.nl]and if you do like what you download, you can actually let the artist know by sending him a paycheck!

  • by noneloud ( 891263 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:25AM (#13702241)
    The download even comes with liner notes that are (IMO) cooler than anything I've gotten with a CD before. Things like this have a great deal of potential with regards of attracting new users.
  • by NitsujTPU ( 19263 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:28AM (#13702248)
    I think that the big difference is that Harvey Danger has had major recording deals in the past. They've been on national tours with major record labels. On the other hand, I've never heard of Landline.
  • bt.etree.org (Score:5, Informative)

    by DeathPenguin ( 449875 ) * on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:33AM (#13702258)
    IMHO, it's always a good thing when artists decide to cut out the middle man and let the music sell itself over the web. However, as many have already noted, this is hardly unique to Harvy Danger. I suggest checking out http://bt.etree.org/ [etree.org] for a lot more great trade-friendly artists. They have a good variety with bands such as the Black Crowes, the Grateful Dead, Dave Matthews Band, Phish, and Gwar.

    Again, this is a good thing that Harvy Danger is doing. It just makes me wonder why it took them so long (Maybe they had to wait for a contract to expire or something), other than the fact that they haven't had a hit in years and are probably desparate.
  • Easy to Contribute (Score:3, Informative)

    by Famatra ( 669740 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @03:51AM (#13702306) Journal
    "I'm at 4 mbit/sec and my pipe is maxed out. Hot damn!"

    And it's easy to contribute just by leaving your torrent on to upload for others. Even if you didn't like the album you can show your support for artists (and tweek the nose of the RIAA) who support free(dom) content by acting as seeders for the file.
  • Alternative? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Famatra ( 669740 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @04:03AM (#13702342) Journal
    "Unfortunately in this case, "priceless" literally means they wont make a dime!"

    And if they were to get into a contract with the RIAA they are shafted then for sure. At least this way an unknown band has a chance of making it to the top without having to sell their soul, and their fans can benefit in the mean time with free music.
  • by Ogemaniac ( 841129 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @04:18AM (#13702394)
    There is a difference between legal and illegal file sharing. Yes, you are correct. File sharing CAN be beneficial to many bands, in many circumstances, in a variety of forms (complete, snippets, streams, etc). No one is arguing against file sharing - we are arguing against illegal file sharing.

    It is up to the artist and his or her representatives to decide which data to give away, and up to you to respect their wishes.

    Quit whining and pay for your music (if the artist asks).
  • by lkratz ( 243841 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @04:23AM (#13702407) Homepage
    There are 270+ complete albums on Jamendo ! All delivered under a Creative Commons Licence using BitTorrent.

    http://www.jamendo.com/ [jamendo.com]

  • by Anonymous Writer ( 746272 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @04:43AM (#13702470)
    In the MP3 zip file you can download directly from the site, the MP3s have a bitrate of around 160 kbps (VBR). The BitTorrent download zip file contains MP3s of around 230 kbps (VBR).
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @05:22AM (#13702569)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by supersat ( 639745 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @05:29AM (#13702585)
    ... but the guitarist just graduated from the University of Washington's Computer Science [washington.edu] program. Perhaps this partially explains why they tried this experiment, mentioned their encoding settings on the download page, etc.

    They performed (along with The Presidents of the United States of America) at the UW this week as part of a "welcome back" concert (pictures here [livejournal.com]... ironically enough, it was partially sponsored by Dell and Napster [theregister.co.uk]), and it wasn't until they played "Flagpole Sitta" that many people realized who they actually were. Most people claim they don't know them or "Flagpole Sitta," but I'm sure they'd recognize it if they heard it. That's not to say that's their only good song, though -- their entire set rocked.
  • by jettoki ( 894493 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @07:18AM (#13702875)
    Basicaly, if I can pick it up off the air, why can't I record it and replay it whenever I want? Don't want it to become public domain? Then don't broadcast it: Use pay-service such as Cable or satellite radio. Put it on a broadcast channel?
    Although I agree, it's interesting to note that in the UK, to watch broadcast television, you must pay ~$300 per year for a television license (there is no way to enforce this, except by people reporting you - in which case you are heavily fined and possibly jailed). So the idea that everything which is broadcast is free doesn't really hold everywhere, copyright infringement issues aside.
  • Re:Decent band (Score:5, Informative)

    by AigariusDebian ( 721386 ) <aigarius AT debian DOT org> on Monday October 03, 2005 @09:41AM (#13703573) Homepage
    If you do like the band (I have not listened to it yet), please consider a PayPal donation that is linked from their site - in this way, more money will get directly to the band.
  • by The-Bus ( 138060 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @12:31PM (#13705097)
    The exception is that Harvey Danger is one of the bigger bands to do something like this. They had a pretty big hit called "Flagpole Sitta" I'd say some 5 or 6 years ago, and they came sort of at the tail end of the radio-rock 90's one hit wonders. Think of Eve 6, Semisonic ("Closing Time"), Fastball ("The Way"), or The Verve Pipe ("Freshman") doing something like this. Yeah, it's not the Rolling Stones or Madonna or Coldplay, but they were a very big band six years ago. Harvey Danger's debut CD, gold-selling Where Have All the Merrymakers Gone? came out in 1999 and is now roughly #19,000 in sales at Amazon.com (roughly matching similar albums that came out that time).

    Sorry, I know I sounded like a weird PR spokesperson, but the band is not a bunch of unknowns. I wanted to make that sort of clear.

    I'm interested to see where their sales will go. It looks like this band broke-up a couple of years ago and is now having another go at it without using any majors. I wish them the best, and if I like the album and they play a show around here, I will probably go see them.
  • Re:Great marketing (Score:4, Informative)

    by advocate_one ( 662832 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @01:11PM (#13705501)
    not to mention the fact that the physical version comes with a bonus disk which ISN'T available via download...
  • by McGiraf ( 196030 ) on Monday October 03, 2005 @01:19PM (#13705591)
    Go to the shows instead, or use the donate button. You just gave more money to the record industry, artists will get pennies from your purchase.

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