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India's Bollywood Opts for Low-Cost Digital Cinema 191

Makarand writes "While Hollywood is yet to figure out who will pay for the costly $100,000 digital projectors required for the digital roll-out of films, the Mumbai (India) based film Industry (called Bollywood) is settling for cheaper projectors of a bit lesser quality available at one-third the price, to proceed with their digital roll-out. Industry officials call this cheaper version of the digital cinema the 'E-Cinema', in contrast to the 'D-Cinema' which Hollywood is waiting for. Over 1000 films are made each year in India and just 1 film in 12 makes a profit. Transporting conventional celluloid prints to remote towns gives video pirates plenty of time to copy and make prints. Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits."
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India's Bollywood Opts for Low-Cost Digital Cinema

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  • Decrease Piracy? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by n0dalus ( 807994 ) on Saturday October 29, 2005 @10:52PM (#13907218) Journal
    Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits.

    Last time I checked it was 100x easier to pirate a digital format by simply copying it as oppose to the usual digital-camera-at-screen method or even more difficult and costly telecine process.
  • Re:And? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 29, 2005 @10:53PM (#13907226)
    There have been several, and several have been nominated for international awards. Besides, there is a significant percentage of Indian readers of Slashdot.

    *shrug*

  • by metlin ( 258108 ) on Saturday October 29, 2005 @10:57PM (#13907241) Journal
    The film industry in India is a little more complicated than that, and even one movie that may turn a profit usually tends to bring in a whole lot of money that would cover the losses of several failed movies.

    And relative to Hollywood, the amount invested in Indian movies is far lesser, so that's another reason.

    Finally, the Bollywood has a lot of families which have been in the industry for a long time, so money isn't really a problem for a lot of them - they'd rather waste a lot of money making absolutely crappy movies just to launch a new actor or an actress from their family.
  • Re:And? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by robdavy ( 850571 ) on Saturday October 29, 2005 @10:57PM (#13907242) Homepage
    Maybe they're big, in, um, India???
  • I'm not sure (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zappepcs ( 820751 ) on Saturday October 29, 2005 @10:59PM (#13907247) Journal
    that this will cut down on piracy, but it will certainly be interesting to watch what happens. This is one area where DRM would work very well. There are others, of course, but this one application is a good place for DRM and encryption etc.

    Besides, all those call center reps need a night out once in a while
  • Excuses, excuses. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 29, 2005 @11:07PM (#13907284)
    "Over 1000 films are made each year in India and just 1 film in 12 makes a profit. Transporting conventional celluloid prints to remote towns gives video pirates plenty of time to copy and make prints. Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits.""

    "But, but, it doesn't hurt anyone"

    "It's free advertising"

    "I never would have spent the money on it anyway"
  • by magarity ( 164372 ) on Saturday October 29, 2005 @11:39PM (#13907389)
    Only 1 film in 12 makes a profit? Perhaps the films are not intended to make a profit, but instead are money laundering?
     
    You're kidding, right? One in twelve movies making a profit is stellar performance. Compare to Hollywood, where no movie has ever made a profit. See: "Hollywood accounting".
  • by Gja ( 926839 ) on Saturday October 29, 2005 @11:47PM (#13907410) Homepage
    That could be because many of the top Bollywood performers are also singers.

    Actually, this really isn't true.

    The music industry and the film industry rarely have people crossing over.

    They work together very closely, as music is a very important part of the scene, but singers rarely become actors and vice versa.

    However, every Ms India / Ms India who became Ms World / Universe / Foo automatically has a long acting career ahead of her

  • Re:And? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by hey! ( 33014 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @12:04AM (#13907454) Homepage Journal
    People outside of India should care, why?

    Because they're adopting a different technology strategy than companies in the US are. In particular, they're opting for better than we have now (if not better than we hope to have), and sooner to market, and cheaper. This is something that should make people

    It's not as if these guys couldn't be selling us this technology in the near future, while our "better" technology is still trying to get off the dime.

    I'm sure it's an aquired taste

    Well, it's more of a cultural difference, the way that Hong Kong audiences love an incredily corny tear jerker. You probably don't realize how ridiculous the movies your countrymen like until you live someplace else. I kid an Indian friend of mine whenever he's going to piss his wife off by working late that she's going to make him climb to the top of a grassy knoll and dance around a tree. He hasn't thought of it yet, but I suppose he could tell me to check for a bomb strapped to the bottom of my car when I'm in the same situation.
  • by dancingmad ( 128588 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @12:37AM (#13907529)
    Who mods this crap up? I think the moderators today are angry programmers replaced by H1 visa guys.

    I'm American born, of Bangladeshi descent and here's the deal. Most Indian movies suck. I would not watch them until very recently. And I learned something: there are some good ones. Most of them are crap.

    But most American movies suck too (Stealth, anyone? The Island? Right before I left the country there was not one good movie coming out in theatres).

    Until you've seen Lagaan or Monsoon Wedding or Earth (with, like Lagaan, features Aamir Khan, India's Mifune Toshiro, and is based on Bapsi Sidwa's excellent Icecandy Man/Cracking India novel) you've got no real right to malign the entire Indian movie industry.

    That's not even mentioning Sajity Roy whose Apu trilogy is a classic of world cinema, of whom my favorite director, Kurosawa Akira said:

    "The quiet but deep observation, understanding and love of the human race which are characteristic of all his films, have impressed me greatly... They can be described as flowing composedly, like a big river. Mr Ray is a wonderful and respectful man. I feel that he is a 'giant' of the movie industry."

    "Not to have seen the cinema of Ray means existing in the world without seeing the sun or the moon."

    Let's not forget the work of Indian disporia: Bend it Like Beckham, the Sixth Sense, and other films which to varying degrees benefitted from Bollywood influence.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 30, 2005 @12:43AM (#13907544)
    This is a viable business model if the one hit movie generates enough profit to also cover the losses on the other 11 failures from the studio's point of view.

    And it's not too far off from what happens in Hollywood, book publishing, and the music industry. Surely you don't think a majority of the albums you see at the record store are profitable? In all media, they throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks, and the "Top Ten" are so successful that the profits end up subsidizing the next round of stuff thrown at the wall.
  • by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @12:52AM (#13907575) Homepage Journal
    I've heard that 1 in 10 video games make a profit, and the profit on that one more than makes up for the losses of the rest, which isn't that hard. Say the other nine earn back 90% of their production & marketing cost, and the tenth that makes a profit three times its production costs. Assuming all movies cost the same, a net profit was made.
  • Re:And? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BewireNomali ( 618969 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @01:45AM (#13907726)
    Many agree with you about the star system. The star system is waning though; the list of stars is short and has been static in the US for a while.

    A lot of market research shows that younger generations are not really star-centric. Celebrity is disposable, so no long term relationships are made with actors/directors, etc.

    So to address your statement, the story is actually far more likely to sell a story in the US film market. More accurately, HIGH CONCEPT. This is what hollywood terms a film that can be summarized succinctly, usually in the title. For example: Titanic... or The Perfect Storm, Anaconda, et al. High concept films focus on the simple catchy idea that is easily conveyed. This reduces costs because a name cast is not necessary; the film sells itself. The title is a marketing phrase. The way hollywood hedges bets is that they tie a name cast to a high concept film and assume that all bases are covered. Tom Cruise in American Samurai, or Tom Hanks in Castaway. These are sure moneymakers and everyone wants to bankroll those.

    The star system is more effective for the older crowd. 45-64s make up about 25% of the moviegoing pop in the US, the second biggest chunk behind the 12-24s. Stars matter to them; they establish relationships with their artists and nurture those relationships.

    That's why your summer blockbuster is packed with your rapper/pop star du jour and suitably MTVed dialogue. Serious films with stars are more likely distributed during the rest of the year on non-holiday weekends but most likely during Oscar season, typically considered to be the fall and winter.

    Re: Bollywood. Bollywood movies won't cross over here for two reasons. Americans on a whole tend to be very culturally arrogant. If Bollywood films don't already fit the existing view Americans have of Indians, they will not be embraced. Americans watch films to affirm themselves, for the most part... and this attitude transcends racial, gender, and age lines. Americans for the most part, feel themselves superior.

    Also, Bollywood movies are bound by cultural restraints that will make them less than viable here.

    The other side of that, is that a Bollywood star who tries to cross over here risks alienating his bollywood audience, to the point where he/she might not be viable over there any more.

    So much of the world has become acclimated to consuming our product, it is more likely that they'll come towards the US style of filmmaking as opposed to the other way around.
  • by PsiPsiStar ( 95676 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @01:56AM (#13907760)
    Hollywood bookkeeping is insane. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of films didn't make a profit... on paper.
  • by jesterzog ( 189797 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @03:03AM (#13907955) Journal

    I'm not sure that this will cut down on piracy, but it will certainly be interesting to watch what happens. This is one area where DRM would work very well. There are others, of course, but this one application is a good place for DRM and encryption etc.

    The way I've read the article, I don't think that DRM has anything to do with their reasoning as to why this will cut down on piracy. For all we know from the article, they might not even be incorporating DRM in their digital copies.

    The main problem seems to be that it simply takes so long to get celluloid copies rolled out to everywhere at the same time, and a large part of this is because the expense makes it difficult for smaller theatres to get movies quickly. People then buy from the pirates because the genuine copies aren't available.

    It's similar to what happens in developed countries outside the US when the industry tries to hold up a movie or TV show's international release for anything from months to years until whatever overseas seasons they think will be most profitable. People ignore the industry and simply pirate copies from the US. (Hence the regionised DVD players, which have been an attempt by the MPAA to make it difficult or illegal for people to import and export movies between countries independently from the industry.)

    The main difference seems to be that Bollywood isn't withholding movies intentionally --- it simply can't get them around everywhere quickly enough. Lower cost digital systems mean that Bollywood distributors can distribute more widely and more quickly to the much smaller population centres, meaning that people will have less incentive to pirate the movies.

  • by GunFodder ( 208805 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @03:08AM (#13907964)
    So Indian movie production companies are an insider industry controlled by several families. Many crappy movies are produced, but the profits from just a few hits sustain those companies. And many of the so-called new talents are actually related to higher powers in the movie industry.

    How is this different from Hollywoood?
  • by polyp2000 ( 444682 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @05:48AM (#13908236) Homepage Journal
    Digital cinema will cut down on piracy and help the industry to increase its profits.

    In absolutely all cases i can think of going to digital has actually made piracy not only easier but faster. Gone are the days where someone from the cutting room or the projector room would have to go through the lengthy process of transferring to a digicam or whatever. Now that the films will come pre-digitised, its just a matter of moving bits from one format to another.
  • by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Sunday October 30, 2005 @08:57AM (#13908521) Journal
    National Geographic had an article about India's film industry not long ago. Basically the thing condensed down to the following:

    India's movies are typically boiler-plate, and most are based upon the same recurring theme.

    Religion and social norms drastically influence the movies. The whole act of dating / courting would be considered extremely backwards and controlled here in the USA. It would be the type of thing we would attribute to the Amish, or the way things were 100 years ago here.

    Most of the movies are very surrealistic. The characters will suddenly break into song and dance - a literal music video within the movie. The characters will change costumes and locations many times during the song, and then the song ends and suddenly it's back to a "normal" movie again.

    The movies are a source of escapism to a mainly impoverished society. Many movies are shown in tents and other ramshackle theaters that look very seedy at best. Their target audience doesn't want to see realism, or even something down to earth. They want to see love stories where a poor person is escalated into another caste because their lover (not in the literal sense) is wealthy. They want to see 20 exotic locations that they will never get to physically visit, all compressed into a single movie, even though there is no reason whatsoever within the plot or storyline to visit 20 different locations.

    The simple fact is that these type of movies would not go over well here in the US. In the vast bulk of films the production levels are so low they simply wouldn't be taken seriously. Indian movie goers simply don't demand much of their movies, so Bollywood keeps churning out the same thing over and over.

    In my opinion it is similar to soap operas here in the US. Many people (myself included) look down on soap operas. They seem to be more about quantity than quality, and have a certain cheesy aura to them. However there are those that love them and can't get enough of them. What Bollywood produces is similar, except the cheesy factor is greatly amplified.

    Dan East

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