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CBS, NBC to Offer TV Shows for 99 Cents 303

According to an AP report. "CBS and NBC have announced deals to offer replays of prime-time programs for 99 cents per episode, shifting television toward a sales model that gained popularity with downloaded music." But the shows will only be available over Comcast on Demand, not for download.
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CBS, NBC to Offer TV Shows for 99 Cents

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  • TiVo (Score:0, Interesting)

    by GmAz ( 916505 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:03PM (#13979741) Journal
    Buy a tivo, mod it, and download the shows to your computer and burn. Voila. No .99c each and you get to watch it in a DVD player.
  • by PIPBoy3000 ( 619296 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:03PM (#13979747)
    We had our Comcast person hooking up a phone line to let the cable box talk to their service. At the last minute he asked, "do you have DSL?" We did, and now it looks like we have to use the actual phone to order OnDemand shows. We never have, since it's such a pain, though we constantly watch the free ones, expecially the kid shows.

    Of course, eMule works fine with DSL and the price of t.v. shows from that venue are quite competitive. For some reason, using the Internet as my Tivo doesn't fill me with a twinge of guilt.
  • Rip Off!! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by NerdBuster ( 831349 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:04PM (#13979758)

    So I have to pay for cable and/or satellite, then I have to pay more for a show that just aired?!?! Plus I don't get a copy of it?!?! I'm sticking with my SageTV PVR and a 250GB drive. I can record any show I want and keep it forever at no additional cost! I hope this fails miserably.

    gasmonso http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]
  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:06PM (#13979784) Homepage Journal
    That's really wacky. It makes sense on satellite but basically all cable boxes have talkback and most of your high-end cable boxes actually have a cable modem in them. Hell, the analog cable stuff that was used in santa cruz county since at least 1980 had talkback, which was used to determine if people were stealing cable (and, of course, to order pay-per-view movies.) However the module was externally connected with an in-line jumper that you could disconnect; you then had to order PPV manually - if you didn't have a diagnostic chip installed. IIRC the boxes were made by either jerrold or scientific atlanta and were among the most expensive boxes in use at the time.
  • by compactable ( 714182 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:07PM (#13979786) Homepage
    ... $0.99 seems good, until you realize that this is a rental, not a purchase.

    Rental schemes in the music industry have yet to take off (Napster? Yahoo music?). iTunes provides ownership, which I think is a cause of it's popularity ...
  • by warnerpr ( 9286 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:08PM (#13979802)
    From the article "The new DirecTV DVR comes with a hard drive that holds 160 hours of programming. One hundred hours are available for subscribers to record and store programs. The remaining 60 hours will be used by DirecTV to download programs that can be viewed on demand for an extra fee."

    So they are recording a few shows from NBC, push them to your PVR, then let you pay money to watch them. Are you able to record them using the PVR in the first place for free? Or does the software prevent you. IF they prevent you from recording them yourself, this could be a preview of the boradcast flag, well a proprietary version of it.
  • by Dark Paladin ( 116525 ) * <jhummel.johnhummel@net> on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:11PM (#13979832) Homepage
    Me: OK - now I have my DVR so I can record shows.

    Satellite company: Hey, but if you miss a show, you can download it to your DVR!

    Me: Uh - that sounds pretty good. How much?

    Satellite company: $0.99!

    Me: Great - that's a better price than iTunes! So I can download it and watch it on my computer while I'm traveling -

    Satellite company: No, you have to watch it at home.

    Me: Oh. So can I sync it to my [insert portable video device here]?

    Satellite company: No, you can watch it at home.

    Me: But - could I just record the show with my DVR then? You know - the whole reason why I got a DVR?

    Satellite company: You could, right until we decide that you can't record any shows you can buy. Isn't that swell?

    Me: I knew there was a reason why I only use basic cable. This "digital crap but only through our proprietary boxes" is for losers.

    Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
  • by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:19PM (#13979899)
    How quickly the other fall in-line with Apple's ABC tie-in. Suddenly electronic content distribution is the next big thing. Now all we wait for is to see each content provider to provide content from all sources beyond these exclusive deals -- which shouldn't take long considering that there's money to be made.

    The water has turned out to be warm after all.

  • by sane? ( 179855 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:26PM (#13979969)
    So the BBC is doing this for free http://www.bbc.co.uk/imp/ [bbc.co.uk] and these companies think there is a market to charge? How many adverts are they going to send with the actual content?

    Its about time to face facts, people in general do not consider content to have the value that the companies would like to claim. I would suggest that a rough acceptable tariff for downloadable content would look like:

    Music tracks (timeshift): free
    Music tracks (to own): 70-99c (depending on quality)
    TV shows (timeshift): free
    TV shows (to own): 99c-$1.50 (depending on quality)
    CD (10 or greater songs): $10
    DVD (with extras): $12
    DVD (movie, simultanous theatre release):$15
    Movie ticket : $5-7
    In addition I would suggest that people expect a licence to the content to mean they have a right to that content in any form with no extra licence costs. DRM might exist, but it can never interfere with the customer enjoying their property.

    I'll guess that there are rewards for the first company to realise where the market is going and act accordingly. People expect that the quality will not be there, and are unwilling to pay up on spec. Its a mass product market, not a premium product market.

  • Re:A La Carte (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dada21 ( 163177 ) * <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @01:39PM (#13980083) Homepage Journal
    Bingo. The difference between iTunes and cable though is that most iTunes users already have the bandwidth, paid for originally with your stolen tax dollars for decades, and now paid for you monthly. Let's take away your DSL or cable and try to sell you iTunes for $39.99 / month (includes free Internet!) and $0.99 per song. This changes things greatly.

    I'm not asking the cable company for free hardlines to my trailer. I'm asking for them to offer it free once they've recouped the expenses of rolling it out (if ever). I'd rather receive the On-Demand over IP if possible, but I don't see it happening any time soon. I honestly hate BitTorrent and Limewire (too slow, too long to find anything, too low quality in general). What P2P are people using for movies and TV shows?
  • by eno2001 ( 527078 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @02:08PM (#13980338) Homepage Journal
    The television infrastructure in the US could be SO MUCH better than it is if it weren't for the rampant money grab these idiots are making on a daily basis. Instead of serving the customer they are serving the shareholders. It didn't used to be this way. It used to be a two way street where the networks actually made programs that people wanted to watch and in exchange people saw commercials for products they might actually be interested. Here we are 60-some years later and we are deluged with MORE advertising than ever and it's for shady loan companies, fly-by-night weight loss formulas (read "snakeoil") and 900 numbers for every kind of moronic obsession from fortune telling to phone sex. Any why? Because it makes a very small group of people very rich. They are no longer serving the customers. If they were they wouldn't be misinforming and making people dumber with crap programming and the advertising of products that are just barely legal.

    I remember once reading the excited statements of the early engineers behind television in the 20th century. They believed (much like the internet in the 80s and 90s) that this new and wonderful technology would be used to bring culture, education and entertainment to the masses. They envisioned visual travelogues, remote classrooms, orchstral, operatic and stage productions being brought into people's living rooms. A populace with access to high quality content to enrich their minds and their lives. So we have the poorest funded public television network (PBS) that has to rely on donations because good quality television isn't profitable. Just like good quality internet resources aren't profitable.

    It's not just the content that's crap. It's also the service. When I was growing up TV was percieved as "free" entertainment because you could just buy a TV and watch. Then cable came along with the promise of commercial free television. (PBS also offers this but no one is paying attention or paying donations) People rejoiced at the success of capitalism + television. You could PAY for better quality TV! But slowly the ads crept back in. Now you can't escape them. While the movies on certain cable and satellite channels might be free of commercials, the in between slots are marred with MORE commercials.

    And your provider has the right to slap commercials over top of the network feed. Thereby allowing them far too much control over say... political ads. If the provider is biased towards a certain party or candidate, they can now completely slam competing candidates or issues out of your view without your consent. They can also make sure you're only aware of certain products. It's all too much control.

    Why don't we have the promised "video dialtone" that AT&T was once working on? At one time there was talk of a new approach to video. TRUE on-demand content. And not just controlled content but ANY content. An actual realtime video library with on-demand access. It's a friday night and you want to watch a 50s Sci-Fi movie. You just do a search through the catalog, select the movie you want to watch. Go get some popcorn, come back and start the playback. You need to go to the bathroom? Pause it. Come back and pick up where you left off. You need to rewatch a section? Just rewind it. And since it's not tape, it's just the drag of a slider on your screen through a GUI. Once you're done watching it, the fair price charge ($.25 per hour) gets added to your phone bill. You only pay for what you watch.

    Conversely, you want to watch the latest episode of a new series on SciFi, you again select from the same GUI based catalog and only get charged a fair price (which might be a bit higher for new content). Even better, for a slightly higher price you can watch it BEFORE it airs. True capitalism that works for the consumer and the service provider in a fair and balanced way instead of the rotten and corrupted version that has infected America. And if you REALLY wanted to own it, you could download it for a fair price a
  • by infiniter ( 745494 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @02:46PM (#13980710)
    I've got Time Warner's digital cable service at home, which offers a similar On-Demand feature. Unfortunately, it's essentially worthless due to a constant "service is very popular. Please try again later." message. I've watched a couple (completely free) episodes of The Sopranos that way, but only at about 3am when bandwidth allows.

    All in all, I find it amusing but mostly worthless. If it was fast, easy to use and navigate, and priced the way it is now (from free to slightly-more-than-competitive) it might be worthwhile.
  • Re:iPOD comparison (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Total_Wimp ( 564548 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @03:01PM (#13980857)
    If you have a working MythTV box, couldn't you just record the episode when it airs instead of paying $1 the next day to rent it?

    For now. That's the danger of the broadcast flag. It's currently defeated, but stay tuned, more to come after these messages.

    NBC makes $0.00 if you record with MythTV
    NBC makes $0.99 if you buy/rent/beg for it the next day

    They probably understand these numbers very well, and will make no bones about describing MythTV, Tivo, et al. as "theft" devices to your local congressman. The way to prevent such "theft" is with a broadcast flag.

    Remember boys and girls, anything that doesn't make money for media companies is stealing. People who steal media will damage the American economy. Terrorists want to damage the American economy. Therefore if you have MythTV you are clearly a terrorist.

    TW
  • Re:iPOD comparison (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @03:22PM (#13981095)
    Seriously, this is just a marketing move by these networks. In no way is this service different than what subscribers could already do with the equipment necessary to participate in the new service, except now they have the option of paying for it. I really hope people don't take too much advantage of this, so that the iTunes version of business can shine more brightly. Then again, there are a lot of idiots paying ridiculous prices for digital cable these days, what's a few more $0.99's tacked on top?

    I think its entirely possible either these deals were in the works before the iTVS went public, so they just seem late, or else they are bids by these networks to have firmer footing in negotiations with Steve Jobs to offer their content through iTunes. Although why they would go with a lower pricepoint, I have no idea. I guess this scheme would have made more sense if they'd gone for a larger price. The article I read did not indicate how DRM'ed to death the episodes would be (as far as expiration and portability) but that might be a factor for negotiations. They may be opting for a 'but we already have an on-demand contract that works just fine for us' approach in order to get a larger percentage cut of the profit.
  • No Commercials! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mabu ( 178417 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @03:35PM (#13981212)
    I can see charging for the show IF there are no commercials. If they want to make people pay for the shows and make money off advertising and product placement, forget that. I have pretty much given up on DVDs now because I can't stand the 15 minutes of ads prior to the disc menu. The same thing for movie theatres. You can't have it both ways and consumers are rebelling against obnoxious, never-ending advertising practices.
  • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @03:51PM (#13981374) Journal
    Now, imagine a world where your TiVo (or DVR) won't record your show, because it is available as a PPV download. Not possible? Imagine NBC and CBS and ABC stroking checks for millions of dollars a (season/quarter/year) to Comcast or DirecTV in return for blocking recording of these shows with the "standard" DVR function. Think of it as an internal, proprietary "record none" flag. In return, every dollar above a negotiated threshhold gets split between the content creator and the content provider.

    I hear money changing hands...don't you?

    (yes, I own 2 SD DirecTiVos and a soon-to-be-hacked HDTiVo)
     
  • by doughrama ( 172715 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @04:26PM (#13981774)
    You are absolutely right, a better option is required. Let me use myself as an example. I have cable internet, cable TV (not by choice - comes with internet,) DirecTV + a couple of premium packages, and Netflix. I've got no emotional ties to where I get any of my content/service, just as long as it fullfills my needs and wants. For the most part all of my needs are being met but not my wants.

    What I want is instant gratification, on-demand everything. I believe there are a lot of people trying to give me what I want. Below is a list of what I want in no particular order.

    1. Single billing point - 1 content provider
    2. The option to choose which format I want (SD or HD.)
    3. The ability to choose between subscription and ppv models
    4. The ability to choose from a library of all previously created content.
    5. Ability to access the same/additional content creators that I currently have access to.
    6. The ability to watch the content immediately after selecting it.
    7. DVR type functions - fast foward, pause, etc...

    That's it, that's the whole pie.

    There isn't a single provider that currently offers all of this today. Many companies have a piece or large chunk of the pie, but nobody is offering the whole thing yet.

    Notice that I didn't say "no commercials?" I'm ok with commericals, as long as I can fast forward through them if I choose to.

    To give an example of how this would work:

    I've have a:

    $20/per month subscription to "movies"
    $5/per month sub to NBC - with commercials
    $5/per month sub to ABC - with commercials
    $5/per month sub to CBS - with commercials
    $5/per month sub to FOX - with commercials
    $10/per month sub to Comedy Central - with commercials
    $15/per month sub to HBO w/out commercials
    $10/per month sub to Discovery channels - w/out commercials
    $10/per month sub to History channels - w/out commercials
    $10/per month in $1.99 charges for one off events

    Total it up = $95/per month For fun lets just bump it up to $100 a month.

    That about what I pay now for DirecTV and Netflix together. The interesting thing is under my "plan" I get less varied content than what I currently get... But I get more of what I want when I want it. More depth, less variety.

    I think Apple is the only company currently in a position to offer such a thing or really anything much closer than what's currently available. Apple's current attempt is pretty weak, but it's a start. If they release a DVR type device with a remote that plugs into the TV, all they'd really have to do is increase the amount of content available and they'd be ready to go . (along with different billing options, and all the back end accounting stuff.)

    I suppose I could say $15 a month for a subscription to Napster (or even iTunes Music if it existed) no thanks. But $100 a month for a subscription to all the video content I can eat when I want to eat it... Uh, yes please.
  • Internet TV is here (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kurtdg ( 138723 ) on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @04:52PM (#13982095)
    It isn't just near, it is already here. In Belgium at least you can choose between two large ISPs (one DSL and one Docsis) offering digital TV. At the Docsis one you can get a wider selection of channels than plain old analog CATV - 40 channels -, plus 40 optional subscription channels and on-demand pay-per-view shows. The 40 basic channels are priced at 12,39 EUR per month all in.

    It's all digital up to the set-top box in the living room, which converts it to plain old PAL, so the end user keeps using his analog TV.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 08, 2005 @05:16PM (#13982350)
    The Daily Show and Colbert Report are both released free (with occasional advertisements) on comedycentral.com a day or two after airing.

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