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MPAA Makes Unauthorized Copies of DVD 424

An anonymous reader writes "There's a story on ArsTechnica about how the MPAA has admitted that they made unauthorized copies of a movie. That in itself is a bit of tasty hypocrisy, but if it turns out that they ripped a DVD, then the MPAA could find themselves in violation of the DMCA." From the article: "According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified. Personally, I can't see any justification for an organization such as the MPAA ignoring a directive from a copyright owner, but IANAL." Update: 01/24 19:52 GMT by Z : Made title more accurate.
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MPAA Makes Unauthorized Copies of DVD

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  • by MaceyHW ( 832021 ) <maceyhw@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:10PM (#14550509)
    Not to rain on the *AA hatefest, but the original article [latimes.com] offers a more complete and less biased account of what happened.

    Depending on how many copies they made and who they gave them to, there does seem to be some grounds for a fair use defense.
  • Bah, that's nothing. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lars T. ( 470328 ) <{Lars.Traeger} {at} {googlemail.com}> on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:15PM (#14550559) Journal
    In Europe, there was a police raid on a couple of "Release Groups" today, supported by the the GVU (Geman leg of the MPA). Funny thing is, one of the places searched was the GVU's office, becasue they were actively involved in swapping the movies. Two stories about it (in German) one [heise.de] and two [onlinekosten.de]
  • by daniel23 ( 605413 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:16PM (#14550564)
    Apparently this day has some positive karma towards that kind of news. In Germany a similar thing happened, when the police raided about 20 FTP sites allegedly serving pirated movies. One of the sites taken down during that action was the office and servers of the GVU Gesellschaft zur Verfolgung von Urheberrechtsverletzungen, an office funded by the German content industry to investigate "pirating". Their website was down for half the day, too (GVU [www.gvu.de]. More info to this, in German at heise [heise.de]. -- was ich selber denk und tu, das traue ich den andern zu
  • by walt-sjc ( 145127 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:18PM (#14550583)
    ... But the MPAA's opinion is that there is no such thing as "Fair Use". They don't even allow you to make a backup copy of your DVD's (which, especially if you have children, is important.)

    There used to be a company called "321 Studios" that sold backup software. Guess what happened to them?
  • by ematic ( 217513 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:19PM (#14550592)
    Let's not forget that consumer DVD burners were never given the capability to encrypt, since they can't burn to the area of the disk where the CSS key is stored. So even if the MPAA made a copy, it's likely to have been a clear copy.
  • DMCA (Score:2, Informative)

    by kunzy ( 880730 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:22PM (#14550623) Homepage
    The true meaning of DMCA: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060122 [userfriendly.org]
  • Re:Uh Oh... (Score:5, Informative)

    by FellowConspirator ( 882908 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:37PM (#14550750)
    For what it's worth, if the film had been encrypted using CSS (like a normal CD), then the DMCA applies. If the DMCA applies, the act was criminal (copyright infringement is a tort, while a DMCA violation is a crime).

    In this sense, the copyright owner need not complain at all. Anyone may report the crime to law enforcement (it being a federal law, that would probably be the FBI), and it is their duty to investigate and then prosecute if the evidence supports it.

    Nothing in copyright law nor the DMCA implies that profit need be a motive or that the copyright holder was financially harmed by the act. Look it up.
  • by SilverJets ( 131916 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:38PM (#14550752) Homepage
    He wasn't stalking them, he was filming them. He is a legitimate film maker.
    IANAL but I believe that it has been held up in the courts many times that you have no expectations of privacy in a public place.
  • NC-17 (Score:2, Informative)

    by Petaris ( 771874 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @03:54PM (#14550879)
    Anyone else curious why a documentary on film ratings recived a "NC-17 rating for graphic sexual content" rating?
  • by Ellis D. Tripp ( 755736 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @04:06PM (#14550957) Homepage
    the film shows various sex scenes (gay and straight) taken from other films, in an effort to show that gay sex scenes will earn a harsher rating from the MPAA than an equivalent heterosexual act would.
  • Re:Uh Oh... (Score:5, Informative)

    by cpt kangarooski ( 3773 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @04:09PM (#14550985) Homepage
    For what it's worth, if the film had been encrypted using CSS (like a normal CD), then the DMCA applies. If the DMCA applies, the act was criminal (copyright infringement is a tort, while a DMCA violation is a crime).

    Your post is incorrect.

    First, it's DVDs that are encrypted with CSS, not CDs, which normally are not encrypted at all. Second, while yes, the anti-circumvention statute would apply, it's unclear whether the MPAA would have violated it; it depends on whether or not they defeated CSS, or just copied the DVD with CSS intact. Third, not all violations of the DMCA are crimes -- the law does more than just set up anti-circumvention provisions. Fourth, copyright infringement can be criminal, under the right circumstances, and circumvention is civilly actionable, just as copyright is.

    In this sense, the copyright owner need not complain at all. Anyone may report the crime to law enforcement (it being a federal law, that would probably be the FBI), and it is their duty to investigate and then prosecute if the evidence supports it.

    Fifth, the FBI and Department of Justice have discretion in choosing what crimes to investigate and who to prosecute, as they have limited resources. Reporting this to them could easily result in no criminal case ever even beginning. While it might not hurt to report with them, a victim with a cause of action should pursue his own case, regardless of law enforcement.

    Nothing in copyright law nor the DMCA implies that profit need be a motive or that the copyright holder was financially harmed by the act.

    True, but these can have an impact. For example, the MPAA may have here a good claim to fair use, since their interest in the film is in looking into the privacy of their employees, rather than making copies as a substitute for getting them from the Best Buy. If they're looking in to their legal remedies against the filmmaker, if they have any, this too strengthens their defense.
  • by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @04:13PM (#14551019)
    I hope and pray that the author was smart enough to encode it with CSS, so we can actually have an example of using Fair Use policy to circumvent CSS encryption.

    CSS doesn't prevent copying. It never has prevented copying. CSS is an attempt to prevent playback on non-licensed players, or players not matching the region code of the movie. A bit-by-bit copy of a CSS-encrypted DVD can be made without "breaking CSS", and that copy will play just as well as the many mass produced copies of the original do.

    CSS was never about copying a DVD to another DVD. It is about control over not letting the DVD be easily transformed into any other form for playback in non-licensed (and royalty generating, btw) players.

  • Re:CSS? (Score:2, Informative)

    by gEvil (beta) ( 945888 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @04:20PM (#14551092)
    Oh, the whole thing is most certainly a violation of copyright. I'm not arguing against that. I was just pointing out that the DMCA doesn't necessarily apply unless they were decrypting encrypted content in order to make the copies.
  • Re:What is IANAL (Score:3, Informative)

    by Yaotzin ( 827566 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @04:22PM (#14551111)
    IANAL is short for I Am Not A Lawyer.
  • Re:Statutory Damages (Score:5, Informative)

    by cpt kangarooski ( 3773 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @04:23PM (#14551120) Homepage
    Wrong.

    We've had statutory damages since the 1790 Copyright Act, and IIRC, it was in the Statute of Anne, which was even earlier. Over the years, the amount has increased (and MPAA has lobbied in favor of that), but the idea's always been there.

    Presently statutory damages are within a range of $750 - 30,000. If the infringement was intentional, the ceiling can rise to $150,000. In rare cases, the floor can drop to $200. A few defendants -- never you -- in exceptional cases can get the floor dropped to $0. In some circumstances, statutory damages may not be available to the plaintiff; he'll have to sue for actual damages. Of course, injunctive relief, fees, costs, etc. are also available, and you needn't just pick one.

    However, these are the numbers for works infringed, not the number of infringements. That is, if you make a million copies of Star Wars, the most you can possibly be liable for is $150,000. But if you make one copy of Star Wars and one copy of Empire, then you could be liable for $300,000, since there are two works infringed upon now, not just the one.

    The relevant statute is 17 USC 504.
  • by Chuckaluphagus ( 111487 ) on Tuesday January 24, 2006 @04:35PM (#14551228)
    In my mind, this raid on the Hamburg offices of the GVU is even more jaw-dropping than the MPAA copying one single movie and distributing it to employees. Here's my summary, I don't have time to hack out a full translation right now:

    <summary>

    The GVU (The German analog to the MPAA) had its Hamburg offices raided today after a criminal investigation into the German warez scene turned up at least one server and warez group being actively funded by the the GVU. The GVU paid the admin of the server (called "IOH", located in Frankfurt) for access to server logs, sort of as a "honeypot" setup. They were collecting information about warez distribution, but they additionally paid for hardware upgrades to the server as well. The investigation is trying to determine whether they also paid for the bandwidth and additional infrstructure for the server operation.

    </summary>

    I'm sorry, this takes astonishing gall. The article denotes this as a major, high-capacity warez server, which would mean it hosted and handled a huge amount of copyrighted material. It looks to me like a case where the GVU decided "we're the good guys, so we don't have to follow the laws." I can only hope some nice, schadenfreude-laden prosecution comes out of this.

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