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Consumer Ad Blocking Doubles 379

Dotnaught writes to tell us about an InformationWeek article reporting that, according to a Forrester Research report, consumers are fed up with ads. From the article: "In the past two years, the number of consumers using pop-up blockers and spam filters has more than doubled.. More than half of all American households now report using these ad blocking technologies to block unwanted pitches... Today, 15% of consumers acknowledge using their digital video recorders to skip ads, more than three times as many as in 2004." The study would have been more meaningful if it hadn't conflated spam blocking with ad blocking.
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  • by plantman-the-womb-st ( 776722 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:25PM (#17121412)
    Consumers have been fed up with ads evr since Cable TV was promising to make television "ad free". What consumer cares at all about ads? We don't, it's the sellers that care about ads not the buyers.
  • by mkcmkc ( 197982 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:26PM (#17121434)
    The study would have been more meaningful if it hadn't conflated spam blocking with ad blocking.

    I dunno. For me, and I suspect many people, there's very little difference between spam and non-spam advertising.

  • by squidinkcalligraphy ( 558677 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:31PM (#17121500)
    Interesting, isn't it - I was thinking the same thing - both are unwanted intrusions into your day.

    However, non-spam advertising tends to cover (or help cover) the costs of whatever it is you're consuming (website, TV program, train ride), while spam is completely unsolicited (email spam, junk postal mail).

    I guess you'd have to put billboards into the category, though I (unfortunately) don't see legislation against those popping up in a hurry.
  • by Rayin ( 901745 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:34PM (#17121536)
    What I'd really be interested in is a study on how effective advertising is, and the trends over time, on several types of advertisements. I can't remember ever buying a product based on an advertisement. At the same time, I can recall many times when I've promised myself NOT to buy a product as a result of a terrible, or invasive/unwanted advertisement. As ads permeate our lives more and more, I imagine I'm not alone. Personally, when I'm looking for a product, I pointedly search for reviews on it, and descriptions of features. Generally I look at the company website and, if available, third-party ratings and tests. With the Internet coming into more and more prevalent use in our daily lives, perhaps the old paradigm of "push it till they are sick of it, and will remember it" should trend towards "give them a place to find it, and information on it, if they want it."
  • by cp.tar ( 871488 ) <cp.tar.bz2@gmail.com> on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:37PM (#17121566) Journal

    I fail to see by which criteria TV ads are solicited.

    Though I do welcome them every once in a while, when they enable me to take a leak without missing a bit of a lengthy movie.

    Given a choice, I'd still get rid of them. Most of them are so annoying that they get on my "I won't buy this shit. Ever. Even if the competing product is cheaper." list.

    If I want it, I'll look for it myself. See if I find any happy customers.

  • by lymond01 ( 314120 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:37PM (#17121572)
    However, non-spam advertising tends to cover (or help cover) the costs of whatever it is you're consuming (website, TV program, train ride)

    Yes, because my $140 monthly cable/internet bill just doesn't seem to be enough...
  • by cswiger2005 ( 905744 ) <cswiger@mac.com> on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:38PM (#17121590) Homepage
    A better quote from the article would have been:

    "Broadband households have become even harder to reach: some 81% of those with high-speed Internet access employ pop-up blockers and spam filters."

    It's not surprising, either. At one point, it was commonly recognized that computers belonged to the people that owned them, and that it was the responsibility of people writing software to make sure that the software was well-behaved and did what the user told the software to do-- except for deliberately malicious software. While I do not claim that all forms of advertising are malicious, it's becoming the case that websites using lots of pop-up or pop-under ads, or software like games using Massive's technology or other in-game ad-delivery mechanisms operate under the assumption that they are free to do things with the user's computer and consume networking resources to fetch and display content that the user didn't ask for and does not want.

    I can tolerate ad-bars appearing on the right-hand side of a page, so long as most of the screen real-estate shows the actual content I want, but some sites do obnoxious and deceptive things like displaying an interstital ad first. My response to that is to copy the ad link into an email, and send a complaint off to both the webmaster of the site I was on, and the site holding the advertising, indicating that their ad was so annoying that I won't be returning to the offending site for at least one week, and that obviously they will be losing my eyeballs and ad impression revenue for that period of time.

    It seems to have an effect, too. At least two of the newspapers I visit (the Boston Globe & the LA Times) have toyed with interstitial ads and have dropped them soon afterwards....
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:42PM (#17121642)
    And what portion of that goes to slashdot or any other site you visit? How do they get any piece of that money?

    They don't, so why do you bring that up?
  • What consumer cares at all about ads? We don't, it's the sellers that care about ads not the buyers.

    I care about ads. There's a reason they used to say (and sometimes still do), "and now an ad from our sponsor". The ads are SPONSORING the program! Somebody has to pay the bills. I'm not saying I never skip ads, but I definitely don't feel intruded upon.

  • And I thought... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Ahnteis ( 746045 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:51PM (#17121764)
    And here I thought I was actually PAYING for cable. What WAS I thinking.
    Oh -- not enough millions of dollars that way. I have to pay AND watch ads. I'm SOO sad for the Comcast &c CEOs.
  • by MonkeyBoyo ( 630427 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:54PM (#17121806)
    I used to think that if I visited sites with advertising then I shouldn't interfere with the ads. After all I didn't have to look at them.

    Then fancier moving ads came out (maybe some with bugs) and I found some used up most of my CPU cycles in firefox.

    Eventually I had to install AdBlock+ so I could be sure that I could have 40 tabs open without cripling the browser.

    Sure a fancy ad may only add a little overhead, but when you multiply that by 40 it adds up.
  • Re:More than that (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SnapperHead ( 178050 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:55PM (#17121808) Homepage Journal
    Movie theaters piss me off, which is why I stopped going there more then once a year. I love paying $9 per ticket, $20 for a drink and popcorn, sit in a theater with some jackass laughing with his friends the entire time, some baby crying, the guy in front of me who takes his shoes off, getting my sit back kicked non-stop ... then to top it all off, seeing a totally crappy movie.

    I have ranted about this many times. I will deal with ads on TV, websites, etc. But, I can not stand sitting through 5 car commericals, 4 perfume commericals and 6 soft drink commericals ... only to have more commericals come at me.

    ok .... deep breath ...
  • Why? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by leeosenton ( 764295 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:55PM (#17121812)
    "The study would have been more meaningful if it hadn't conflated spam blocking with ad blocking."

    Then why post this here?
  • by Ezzaral ( 1035922 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:56PM (#17121824)
    You definitely are not alone in your aversion. The frequency with which I see an ad for a product varies inversely with my likelihood to purchase it. My wife finds it pretty amusing how irritated I get over some ads and often asks me if talking back to the TV has made me feel better (yeah, it does). She on the other hand just tunes them out and says they don't bother her. I've often wondered how many others share my extreme aversion to all forms of advertising. Obviously it has not reached a sufficiently critical mass, as the ads show no sign of retreat.
  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @07:58PM (#17121866) Journal
    I think the original poster is wrong about this study losing meaning because it conflates adblocking with spam blocking. Both online ads and spam are unwelcome intrusions into our daily lives, and both are delivered via the internet. Both can be blocked with readily available technology and both are widely ignored by users, even when they get through the protection.

    I think you're making the mistake of granting online ads some special significance because they were paid for by mainstream operations, but really, when it comes right down to it, Microsoft Dynamics are not that different from the guy selling penis enlargement pills. An stupid flash commercial for Blackberry has much in common with the spam touting FREE PRON.

    I happily deny both of them space in my head.
  • Re:More than that (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TekPolitik ( 147802 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:06PM (#17121966) Journal

    I love paying $9 per ticket, $20 for a drink and popcorn, sit in a theater with some jackass laughing with his friends the entire time, some baby crying, the guy in front of me who takes his shoes off, getting my sit back kicked non-stop ...

    This is why I only ever see movies in gold class unless I'm taking the kids. In gold class you don't get any kids because everybody has to be old enough to legally drink alcohol, you don't get noisy chatter among a group of friends since it's priced out of range for the sort of people that do that, you won't get the feet in the back of your seat unless the person behind you is at about 12 feet tall since the seats are spaced far enough apart that this can't happen.

  • by Reality Master 101 ( 179095 ) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <101retsaMytilaeR>> on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:11PM (#17122008) Homepage Journal

    And here I thought I was actually PAYING for cable. What WAS I thinking.

    You're not thinking, that's the problem. Your cable bill is paying for ACCESS, not for the production of all the content. Do you think your ISP bill pays for production of all web sites on the Internet? Now, some channels can survive on the puny amount of money they're paid, but it certainly is not going to pay for everything.

  • That's why friends episodes cost nearly $10 million each to make. 6 Actors each getting $1.5 million to produce 20 minutes of content. Without these sponsors paying for garbage ads, maybe we get some decent content that doesn't cost 8-digts for 20 minutes.

    The program makes that much money because a LOT of people like the show. Who cares that you don't like it? The point is that money is there, so who should make it? The producers? Quite often it's the actors that people tune into see. Personally, I don't begrudge people making a lot of money. I've never quite understood the attitude of people like you.

    If you don't like it, why are you worrying about how much money it makes? How does it affect your life at all?

  • by KillerBob ( 217953 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:21PM (#17122134)
    Likewise... I use the ads as an excuse to get a drink, check my e-mail, visit the loo, etc. Ads on TV are pretty harmless, really. Besides... I like some ads. Every now and then, they'll come up with a witty, intelligent ad that makes you laugh. I'll actually watch those ones...

    As far as crap on the Internet... Firefox 2, Adblock Plus, the list found at http://pgl.yoyo.org/as/ [yoyo.org], and on my mail server, milter-greylist, SpamHaus RBL, and SpamAssassin with a sensitivity threshhold of 1.0. (and a daily cron task that has SA learn my "Spam-Bin" folder on IMAP as spam). Oh, and ClamAV, too, to block viruses.
  • Count loyalty in (Score:4, Insightful)

    by eebra82 ( 907996 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:23PM (#17122144) Homepage
    I too am disturbed with websites that produce too little content and too many ads, but there's a conundrum attached right next to it.

    Most webbies of today are free of charge, whereas the visitor has the right to objectively decide whether he or she wants to read it for free or not. I feel that if I browse a site and return to it as well, I also need to give the author something in return. It's all about loyalty and morale. You get something for free and should therefore give something back.

    Some can argue that there are too many ads on the sites they visit. If this is true, there is likely a good alternative to that site, too. What better way to show that you're displeased than stop visiting the site?
  • by Sunburnt ( 890890 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:24PM (#17122164)
    "The program makes that much money because a LOT of people like the show."

    Wrong. The program costs that much money to make so that a LOT of people WILL like the show. Advertising, hiring writers capable of keeping in line with heavily-researched viewer desires, and the competitive market for photogenic actors who can forge an illusory "connection" with the viewer make major television production an expensive business all around. Indeed, the costs are elevated by the need to recover money sunk into terrible flops. [wikipedia.org]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:33PM (#17122256)
    The other day I noticed Family Guy was on TBS, a channel I don't normally watch, but I needed something to tide me over for 10 minutes. Anyway, during the 2 minutes I could stand watching it, they showed ad after ad DURING THE SHOW for other shows. First they had a little popup in the bottom right corner, then some large text scrolled by, then a larger popup taking the entire bottom half of the screen, then more scrolling text, ad nauseum. One after another. Why in the hell would anyone want to watch anything at all on that channel?
  • Re:Firefox Adblock (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mce ( 509 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:34PM (#17122270) Homepage Journal
    The ads on slashdot, for instance, are relatively unobtrusive,

    Ahem. They used to be. Nowadays in about 50% of my visits to the main page I get a big square ad in the top right corner that overlays part of the text in the center column, simply making it impossible to RTFI (I=Intro). Talk about (un)obtrusive...

  • by speedlaw ( 878924 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:40PM (#17122330) Homepage
    Having two DVR's, on from Dish and one from Sony for OTA HDTV, I time shift, as my tv time and theirs will never agree. Skipping commercials is recapturing time. I now record just about anything I'm interested in, watch it on my own schedule, and reliably zap every commmercial. (being able to freeze scenes from Star Trek : TOS in HD is just a bonus) Sorry Guys, but that's the way it is-and anyone who says differently is not being truthful.
  • by jrockway ( 229604 ) <jon-nospam@jrock.us> on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:42PM (#17122348) Homepage Journal
    > Your cable bill is paying for ACCESS, not for the production of all the content.

    Really? Then why does it cost more to get more channels? If your assertion is true, then it should cost the same no matter how many channels your cable box is authorized to decrypt.

    Also, who pays for ACCESS to broadcast stations? There's the same quantity of ads on cable as there is on broadcast TV.
  • Tear 'em out (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ahnteis ( 746045 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @08:47PM (#17122392)
    No, I generally take 2 minutes to tear out the annoying ones before I read the magazine.

    I realized after I posted, however, that I should have also noted that I am only *really* bothered by annoying or super-frequent ads. Popup blockers and ad blockers were developed AFTER the audience was over-inundated with advertisement. If they had just kept things at a reasonable level, we'd still be watching the ads instead of blocking them. But they get more and more greedy and have to fit "just one more" ad in.
  • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @09:06PM (#17122606) Homepage Journal

    Exactly. It's a death spiral. The more intrusive the advertising, the more consumers will rebel against it, which causes the advertisers to try to be more intrusive to get around the circumvention, and all it does is succeed in annoying everyone. Pretty much the same as viruses and spam. I'm already at the point that I view reading email as a burden. If you want to reach me, IM is faster. When that becomes an ad-fest, I'll move to another medium, staying continually one step ahead of the advertisers.

    As for TV, I'm just waiting until the last two or three of my favorite shows are available on the iTunes Store so I can cancel my DirecTV subscription. The math comes out about the same in price for the number of shows I watch regularly compared with a year's DirecTV subscription for three boxes, but with iTunes downloads, there are no commercials, no interruptions, no bugs in the corner of the screen, no sped-up closing credits... basically none of the annoying things that TV networks do to ruin the content.

    If and when iTunes content becomes an ad-fest, there's always bittorrent... and if the ads get annoying enough, that's precisely where I'll end up. The surest way for the networks to ensure that they get no revenue at all is to take desperate, panicked steps to increase their revenue.

  • by drsquare ( 530038 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @09:10PM (#17122662)
    Bullshit, the actors got paid that much because it was an insanely popular programme that depended on those characters being in it. If the actors left the programme would collapse, that's why they could demand such figures.

    Also Jennifer Aniston was the only photogenic actor in Friends.
  • by R3d M3rcury ( 871886 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @09:14PM (#17122710) Journal
    Then why does it cost more to get more channels? If your assertion is true, then it should cost the same no matter how many channels your cable box is authorized to decrypt.
    *blink*

    Access, as in access to the content. You want SciFi's content, you have to pay SciFi to access their content. That's why it costs more if you have more channels.

    Also, who pays for ACCESS to broadcast stations? There's the same quantity of ads on cable as there is on broadcast TV.
    Actually, I believe cable operators have to pay the stations in order to broadcast their content. They can't just stick up their own antenna and funnel that to their subscribers.

    Also, arguably, you're paying for the convenience of accessing broadcast stations over cable with great reception. Remember one of the complaints about satellite was/is that you can't get your "local stations" so you still need an antenna.

    By the way, the reason there are ads on basic cable stations is that they wouldn't sell enough subscriptions at a price that would make it worthwhile. How much does HBO charge? $9.95/mo? $12.95/mo? Would enough people pay $9.95/mo for, say, commercial-free Sci-Fi channel to make it worthwhile?
  • by EzInKy ( 115248 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @09:25PM (#17122828)

    If I were an advertiser I'd be interested in how to get my ads to the consumer most effectively. Paying to know how often my ad is blocked seems reasonable.


    It depends on what you plan on doing with the information as to whether or not the data is valuable. Sadly, most advertisers seem to focus way too much on how, and way to little on why, people block ads.
  • Spam=Ad (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @09:58PM (#17123172)
    The study would have been more meaningful if it hadn't conflated spam blocking with ad blocking.

    Are they not both advertisements customers don't wish to receive? And it's hard to argue website flash ads aren't as intrusive as advertising in my Inbox. As are the ads on TV shows that come over the speakers at twice the volume as the actual program.

    Spam originated on Usenet, so to say that spam has to be sent solely via email is absurd.
  • by Shihar ( 153932 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @09:59PM (#17123178)
    The point isn't to make you want a product. They just want you to recognize the product. The simple recognition of a product adds credibility. Take Esurance. I bet you have seen their irritating ads. I bet if you were looking for car insurance on the Internet you would be weary of a company you have never heard of. On the other hand, I bet you would at least believe that Esurance is not a sketchy fly by night operation. This is all the advertisers want out of you.

    They want you to believe that their product is trust worthy, and this is accomplished by giving it name recognition. People will consider buying an iPod because they can't spit without running into one. They are less likely to buy a Creative Zen despite the fact that it might be a much better product for them simply because they have never heard the name. True, good consumer research can trump advertising, but not every consumer decision is well informed. Even the most ardent consumer researchers (and most people are not) make arbitrary decisions on what to consume all the time.

    It takes a real force of will to always research your decisions or, in the absence of research, to simply work off of price. Most consumer don't do this; hence why we have advertising.
  • by numbski ( 515011 ) * <[numbski] [at] [hksilver.net]> on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @10:08PM (#17123260) Homepage Journal
    It's not that it's new. It just keeps getting more and more annoying.

    Did you count how many items you listed there? I counted 7. You're willing to jump through SEVEN flaming hoops to avoid it. SEVEN.

    That's a lot of hoops man. I personally really enjoy football (american, NFL) and even I am beginning to become unnerved by the ads. They squeeze them on-screen in-game. Commercials between PAT's and kickoffs. Then back to commercial before the first play of the drive. WTF?

    It's very, VERY distracting. Pair that with the need to crank up the volume when it goes to commercial. Ugh. Drives me batty. I get to the point that I mute the TV when it goes to commercial.

    When are these people going to buy themselves a clue and scale it back a little?
  • by killjoe ( 766577 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @10:16PM (#17123324)
    "The ads are SPONSORING the program! Somebody has to pay the bills. I'm not saying I never skip ads, but I definitely don't feel intruded upon."

    The cost of those ads are being added to the products you consume. In the end you are still paying the bills.
  • by phorm ( 591458 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @11:13PM (#17123782) Journal
    Because they're all different things. Apples to oranges. You have to pay for each movie in theatres, and sit through ads, but from what I've been noticing they've actually reduced those lately and most likely in response to declining ticket sales.

    DVD's with unskippable commercials, do you think those are really subsidizing the industry?

    The fact is, while a certain part subsidizes the industry, the rest is just pure greed and power trips on the part of the corps. They can force-feed you ads, and most people will choose to accept them, so they do so. Again the reference to decreased ad content in movies, because if people show they're fed up enough to drop the service entirely, it might actually get cleaned up for awhile.
  • Ad arms race (Score:3, Insightful)

    by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @11:30PM (#17123990) Homepage

    As for TV, I'm just waiting until the last two or three of my favorite shows are available on the iTunes Store so I can cancel my DirecTV subscription.

    We do sort of the same thing with Netflix. We're ready to drop HBO from our cable lineup. You might have an even better idea there. Download your shows and watch what you want, put an antenna up for local stations. DirecTV always manages to find a reason to raise our rates every year, Dish is worse.

    But I'm wondering if the download shows won't start including ads before long? The more people doing something...anything...the more advertisers will pay to be included. Pretty soon it will become a new revenue stream and everyone will be doing it. Instead of a death spiral I might say it's more like an arms race between advertisers and consumers. We're willing to pay more for an ad free medium and they're willing to pay more to get on that medium. Ads aren't really the problem. 20 minutes of ads in a 60 minute program...that's the problem.

  • by alchemy101 ( 961551 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @11:32PM (#17124008)
    The ABC is government funded (like you imply), that's why there aren't any ads and that's a different situation to what the parent had in mind.

    The commercial channels (ie. 7, 9 and 10 are sponsored by commercials and would probably be a better comparison (though still not entirely accurate to the parent's post context.

    The nature of TV is simply too different in Australia to compare to the US market (I would probably argue that NO market is comparable to the US market).
  • Re:Tear 'em out (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ricree ( 969643 ) on Wednesday December 06, 2006 @12:04AM (#17124304)
    I agree completely. Personally, I'm not really bothered that much by ads. For better or worse, they are the price we pay for all the free content we have acces to. That said, the ads should not distract me from the content I'm trying to look at. When it comes to adblock, I tend to let things go as much as possibly, but if something starts blinking at me, makes sounds I haven't asked it to make, or takes up part of the screen I'm trying to look at, then the entire domain for that ad is getting blocked. So far it seems to work pretty well.
  • by rainman_bc ( 735332 ) on Wednesday December 06, 2006 @12:49AM (#17124702)
    Why do I have to pay for each movie in a movie theater?

    Just to point out that you also get 30 mins of marketing crap before the movie starts too... rest assured that money doesn't go the theater, it's another way for movie companies to squeeze more revenues out of the movie.

    We honestly have every right to try to avoid the marketing crap thrown at us. It's our choice what we see and what we don't see. If the marketing companies had their way, the advertisements would be on the inside of our eyelids.
  • by cyberscan ( 676092 ) * on Wednesday December 06, 2006 @03:51AM (#17125706) Homepage
    The answer to unwanted commercials is filesharing and passing burnt DVD's around. "Piracy" is definitely a good way of avoiding rip offs.
  • by Methuseus ( 468642 ) <methuseus@yahoo.com> on Wednesday December 06, 2006 @10:58AM (#17129344)
    Well I'd say that's even better than baseball. They can cut to commercial any time nothing exciting is actually happening, and if a crash happens they replay it a billion times anyway, so no big deal.

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