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Download Only Song to Crack the Top 40 391

nagora writes "The BBC is reporting that next week's UK music chart may have the first sign of the end of the recording industry as we know it. From this week (7th Jan, 2006), all downloaded music sales are counted in the official UK chart, not just tracks which have had a physical media release. Now, an unsigned band called Koopa is poised to enter the top 40 without any old-world recording, distribution, or production deals. Band member Joe Murphy says "If someone comes along and gives us an offer, we'll talk to them." before continuing on to add the words the recording industry has been having nightmares about since the introduction of the mp3 format: "If we can get enough exposure and get in the top 40 by the end of the week, do we necessarily need a large label? Probably nowadays, no you don't." Is this finally the crack in the dam we've all been waiting for to wash away the entrenched monopolies of 20th century music production? Or just a sell-out waiting to happen?"
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Download Only Song to Crack the Top 40

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  • Comment removed (Score:1, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:22PM (#17551306)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by spoco2 ( 322835 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:31PM (#17551396)
    In some other discussion here about copyright I said why not have copyright last as long as the artist lives, or 30 years, whichever is longest? (In case the artist dies shortly after creating a work, their family should benefit from profits).

    Why shouldn't an artist continue to reap the rewards of a creation of theirs for the entire lives?
  • by Diluted ( 178517 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:32PM (#17551406) Homepage
    Probably slim, considering the lyrics of the music being anti-sellout...

    Unless they're REALLY hypocritical, which is always possible I suppose.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:32PM (#17551410)
    From this week (7th Jan, 2006), all downloaded music sales are counted in the official UK chart.

    2006!
  • Already a sell out? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:34PM (#17551432)
    I'm suspicious, this seems like it could be a manufactured media phenomenon. Their song includes lyrics about getting into the charts. Their logo is a parody of the UK's age-rating logo. Their site is really slick, it's all a bit too knowing for their "underground" image.

    Their whois points to a local web design/media branding firm, maybe they just laid it on a bit thick. From their myspace:

    "Listen to KOOPA and you realise that this is not that watered- down, manufactured sound designed to impress your younger brother, little sister and please your parents."

    Hint: it's not cool to say you're cool.

    On they other hand they supposedly come from my home town (Colchester, UK), and are gigging here tomorrow. Might as well check them out for real...
  • by edwardpickman ( 965122 ) on Wednesday January 10, 2007 @11:56PM (#17551648)
    Hate to burst your bubble but bar bands don't make money as a rule. I have a lot of friends that do it and what little they make comes from CD and tshirt sales and it ain't much. Generally doesn't pay expenses. Back in the day some groups used to make money at it. I used to know one of the Flying Burrito Brothers, they were a hot bar band in the 70s. They stopped playing in the 80s because there just wasn't any money in it. Too many garage bands willing to play for free to get exposure. The problem is exposure for what? If everyone wants free downloads and small venues don't pay then it's no longer a profession.
  • by lewp ( 95638 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @12:01AM (#17551696) Journal
    If I buy this CD with my USA credit card and my USA address, will it count towards the total tally?

    If it'll help get them in the top 40 without major label backing, I've got two bucks (or whatever 77 pence is in dollars nowadays), but I don't really like the song very much :P.
  • Had to be done (Score:3, Interesting)

    by NewsWatcher ( 450241 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @12:03AM (#17551728)
    I read recently that in the UK some artists who cater mainly for older clientelle were making it into the charts. The reason being that their aged fans did not know how to download their songs. Other more web-savvy younger users were downloading so many songs from their favourite artists that they no longer needed to by their albums, so the artists who were actually popular just didn't make the charts anymore.

    This move to include download sales is not just a natural progression to indicate popularity of artists, but a commercial necessity for the music companies. How can they promote a platinum-selling artist who has only really sold a handful of albums?

    Of course, if they really want to gauge the popularity of artists, they could also start to look at how many people are searching for their music at BitTorrent sites or on Limewire. Eventually this will also have to go into the mix if they want an accurate gauge of what people want to listen to.

  • by Timbotronic ( 717458 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @01:30AM (#17552430)
    Not yet. I think the Slashdot crowd massively underestimates the impact that experienced producers and recording techs have on music quality and popularity (not that the 2 always go together). Then of course there's good management and yes, marketing.

    Of course there will be times when a band/artist gets enough right to make the charts (or even just a decent living) independently. However, there's an obvious problem with this idea that bands should just record their own music, put it out there and then allow market forces to pick the best stuff.

    What if they can't afford a decent studio, or don't have the discipline to do enough takes until the sound is right, or the drummer sucks? Good production has turned a lot of bad music into good. An artist can be incredibly gifted musically but that doesn't mean they know the best way to record their music, or the point where a guitar solo stretches from cool to self indulgent wankery.

    I think the tide will turn, but it needs to involve more people than just the artists themselves. I think we'll need to see a bunch of small to medium level labels dedicated to talent scouting, production, recording tech, management and marketing before the biggies start to get squeezed.
  • by happy*nix ( 587057 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @01:32AM (#17552444)
    I hope so.

    I'm not a big music fan, but the song was lively and enjoyable. The song was avialable in DRM-free mp3 (alas no ogg) so I bought it. It is undoubtedly worth ~$1 to speed along the distruction of the existing media cartels.

    Some of Koopa's other song samples didn't fit with my tastes, so thy might be a one hit wonder for me. That's ok so long as that homerun hit breaks the RIAA's windshield parked in the back lot. ;-)
  • by spoco2 ( 322835 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @01:40AM (#17552512)

    Then the thing should be made available to everyone in society so new, better things can be built without having to start from scratch.
    This makes sense from a mechanical, product, 'make things work' standpoint... but it doesn't really hold, for me, for works of art. So, by having short copyright I can take Harry Potter, chop it up a bit, put a couple of different names in it and make a new book out of it? How does that work?

    To argue for infinite copyrights is to argue that you should be able to use stuff that came before you, but no one after you should have the same opportunity.
    I never said infinite copyright... I said copyright for the life of the creator... I still don't see a problem with that. There's an awful lot of stuff created by people long dead that you could go ape with in the public domain under this model.
  • by tjr ( 908724 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @01:47AM (#17552566) Homepage
    There can be real value in big labels. What if, say, the Beatles had tried to make it without a label. Would they be able to succeed today? Maybe. But part of what made them so great was the contributions made by folks like their producer George Martin and the various sound engineers they worked with. They added real tangible value to the music, especially as the Beatles started wanting more complex arrangements. They might not have ever come together if not for the recording label that employed Martin and the engineers. On the other hand, today we have so much great music technology that it's much easier to make a whole wonderful recording without leaving your bedroom. But you still have to know how to use that technology. Some bands do. Some do not. For those that do not, the labels may still offer some benefits. That said, some of the labels also seem to offer other things that aren't necessarily beneficial to the artists...
  • by datafr0g ( 831498 ) * <[moc.liamg] [ta] [gorfatad]> on Thursday January 11, 2007 @02:40AM (#17552940) Homepage
    You make some good points. While they may not be signed up to a label, they may as well be signed from a promotion and marketing perspective.... and unfortunately that's where most of the bullshit lies in the recording industry these days. It all looks a little too slick to be "real".

    Perhaps I'm just being too cynical but the only difference I can see between these guys and a signed equivalent is that they don't have anyone distributing shiny dics for them. The marketing crap is all there 100%.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 11, 2007 @03:52AM (#17553392)
    It's interesting you're trying to use the Dead to rebut the importance of this when the Dead signed to their majors for their first 7 years, then went independent for a short stint and signed to the majors again for another 13 years. I bet if they hadn't had the commercial success of American Beauty and Europe '72, they never would have left the majors.

    Phish only released albums through major labels, so I'm not sure what crack you're on there.

    Maybe your point is that if bands want to make money they should ignore their albums and form a jam band, rather than pursue any other genre of music. Want to make concise pop songs? Too bad. Challenging dynamics or lyrics? Sorry, that's not the kind of stuff that'll endear people to follow you around the country taking lots of drugs. Want to create the best album of all time? Sorry, that's not important. No, all musicians should make long meandering music whose only "challenging" aspects are the use of slightly obscure scales that can easily be ignored when you're dancing around while hallucinating (and aren't really challenging, so much as interesting to musos).

    People who say "get your profits from touring" have a very naive understanding of the life of a musician or else very narrow taste in music (both stylistically and geographically). A lot of good music doesn't suit well to touring. Live music is great but music recordings are very important art form in themselves - I've never seen My Bloody Valentine live and I'd lose all respect for someone who says MBV should have received any money for the album "Loveless". Also, musicians who haven't already made it usually have day jobs and touring means at least inconvenience at work and possibly losing one income and replacing it with the touring income, which usually isn't that lucrative.

    If you stop trying to cheapskate your way out of paying for recordings, you'll benefit in the end. That money opens up a lot of possibilities for a musician. They might improve their home studio, buy more or better instruments or afford some professional mastering or studio time. If they're suited to touring, the income from their recordings could lessen the risk and burden of touring and make them more prone to go on the road. The bottom line is this - if you find music on the net that you like, it behooves you to give the band some compensation. Not only is it the moral thing to do but it directly benefits you. If you pay someone for making something you like, the odds improve they're going to make more things that you like.
  • by TheoMurpse ( 729043 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @04:34AM (#17553618) Homepage
    But even where there is no copyright there is the _fact_ of authorship. That is the closing can only legally be done with the correct attribution ie, "derived from project X" or based on code from "Jo Public". Take away those attributions and the closing author is committing fraud, claiming something that is their work independent of the true author.
    I do not believe that the right of attribution is a natural right because (as made obvious by so many anonymous creations) many people give away their right of attribution. Thus, it is alienable, and not a natural right [wikipedia.org]. Natural rights are inalienable.

    Therefore, if the right of attribution is alienable, there is no reason that a system without copyright would include a system of attribution.
  • by Kris_J ( 10111 ) * on Thursday January 11, 2007 @07:05AM (#17554382) Homepage Journal
    So, by having short copyright I can take Harry Potter, chop it up a bit, put a couple of different names in it and make a new book out of it? How does that work?
    See Fanfic [wikipedia.org]. (Actually, that page is a pretty good discussion of the stuff we're talking about now.)
  • by Cheesey ( 70139 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @08:24AM (#17554746)
    Interesting point.

    I think you're right - it is a manufactured media phenomenon. But the manufacturer is the band manager. He's clearly figured out a way to get publicity:
    1. Create Internet presence including Myspace
    2. After X many downloads, send out press releases saying "We could be in the top 40! And we're independent! Woo!"
    3. Story is picked up by newspapers and Slashdot
    4. More exposure means more downloads
    5. Band actually does enter the top 40
    6. Profit!
    7. Reinvest profits to gain more publicity
    8. More profit!

    In other words he has done the marketing work of the record company, and used the Internet to do the distribution work. Clever stuff. As you have found, it shows through in the web page, where the marketing speak of a typical record company has been carefully emulated.

    The labels don't have a monopoly on "bollocks" yet.
  • by Blue Stone ( 582566 ) on Thursday January 11, 2007 @01:37PM (#17558816) Homepage Journal

    So would it be true to say that the purpose of copyright is to mimic depreciation in real-world goods?
    No. The purpose of copyright is to provide the greatest benefit to the comunity by providing an incentive to create in the form of an artificial monopoly for a limited duration.
    I don't think that's the full picture though. The purpose of copyright was originally to give a monopoly to a person for a work in exchange for money paid to the king. The US constitution modified this and tried to give it more noble intentions, as you mention.

    What we're finding out now, is that, at least in the eyes of the state, like a salmon returning to it's birthplace, copyright is returning to its original purpose and it's all about money and monopoly control.

    What I'm still undecided about is whether 'copyright is a bad seed and its basic nature will always win out'.

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