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The First HD DVD Movie Hits BitTorrent 537

Ars Technica reports that the first HD DVD movie has made its way onto BitTorrent, showing that current DRM efforts to prevent illegal sharing of copyrighted content are still futile and fighting an uphill battle. From the article: "The pirates of the world have fired another salvo in their ongoing war with copy protection schemes with the first release of the first full-resolution rip of an HD DVD movie on BitTorrent. The movie, Serenity, was made available as a .EVO file and is playable on most DVD playback software packages such as PowerDVD. The file was encoded in MPEG-4 VC-1 and the resulting file size was a hefty 19.6 GB."
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The First HD DVD Movie Hits BitTorrent

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  • by eviloverlordx ( 99809 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:02PM (#17632850)
    At 20GB this alone will limit pirates as having even 100 of these movies will take up about 2TB of space.

    Well, there are always more insecure computers to use as temporary storage. Maybe they'll come up with a distributed storage system where the pirated file is split up over 10-20 machines.
  • by seneces ( 839286 ) <aspecialj AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:06PM (#17632938)
    Plenty of people, myself among them, keep high-definition movies now. In MPEG-2, they usually end up being 11-14gb each, and that isn't unreasonable with today's harddrives. Once HDDVD gets adopted widely there will probably be drives big enough to make a 20gb movie not too much of an issue for people who want to keep it in its original quality. Plus, once we can burn hddvd/bluray discs, space won't matter.
  • Price of HD players (Score:2, Interesting)

    by EmagGeek ( 574360 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:08PM (#17632992) Journal
    I wonder if this is going to cause downward pressure on HD DVD player prices as people can now just use their computer to play the films? I wonder if the HD-DVD player makes will have a monetary claim against the hackers who are responsible as such.
  • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:11PM (#17633056)
    I think that the only real solution is to not allow the movies to be played on a computer. Only on dedicated set top boxes. I realize that the cat is out of the bag now, but I think this is the only way to prevent these movies from being copied by the average Joe. Look at the GameCube and it's proprietary discs. While it's possible to get pirated games, it's just too much trouble for the average joe to bother. As it stands right now, I don't think too many people would buy into a technology that wouldn't play on your computer, since we already have DVD, and that plays fine on the computer. There was a lot less piracy going on when you had to dub the tape, instead of just clicking on a link. There is a big difference in terms of how much stuff you can pirate when you are putting music on tapes versus putting them on a hard disk. And the quality of the copy was pretty inferior.
  • by Angstroem ( 692547 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:12PM (#17633076)
    Is this news?

    The CD was safe until we started to accumulate several Gigabytes of storage space. Noone was going to distribute CDs when a single CD would occupy at least a third of the entire drive, not to mention the fact that every measly Megabyte travels at least one minute via Modem.

    The latter again was true for the DVD, which was safe until more storage, bigger bandwidth, and also enough CPU power to en- and decode the rips was there: Here, I'd say, one driving factor also was that people were pissed with region codes and CSS, some of them seeing copying/distributing as a way to express their feelings towards such methods.

    Now with the HD-DVD we had the storage, we had the bandwidth (what are 19GB these days of flat rates...), and it was *all* about the sports, i.e. how and when the encryption will be at least circumvented. (Still needs to be broken, but then, it's broken by design -- I severely doubt that consumers will tolerate key revocations for standalone players.)
  • I'm not saying any of that, I'm just saying that the attitude towards piracy is actually costing the industry more money than would a strategy to embrace people's willingness to be very cheap distribution engines. I mean, how is it not in the industry's interest to distribute a movie with zero overhead? It's their own fault they don't monetize that transaction.
  • Why bother? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Fezmid ( 774255 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:42PM (#17633670)
    But why bother downloading the HD-DVD version only to downrez it and view on a 15" monitor? At that point, you're better off just downloading (or, *gasp*, buying) the DVD version.
  • by Malc ( 1751 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:51PM (#17633852)
    I believe VC-1 can get 90 mins of 1080i down to 5GB. Look at some of MSFT's HD video samples on their web site - 60MB/min, which is ~5GB/90 min. Much better than MPEG2. Obviously they haven't compressed it that much in this case.
  • by madhatter256 ( 443326 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @03:59PM (#17634022)
    You'd be suprised on how many file server farms I have helped built for some 'organizations' out there that have about a cool 50TB of storage space. Now with Hitachi getting ready to release a 1TB HDD. The pirate now has the cheap storage solution to house hundreds of HD movies. Expect to see the first Blu-Ray torrent to popup soon as some people in PS3news.com have been able to dump a whole BR disc.

    Hollywood is spending billions on DRMs while the pirates are spending just tens of thousands of dollars on figuring out ways to crack the next DRM.
  • by ffejie ( 779512 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @04:04PM (#17634124)
    Actually, assuming you maxed the dial-up out at 56 Kbps every second and didn't waste anything on overhead, you could finish downloading it in 32.57275132 days. Not too bad, but probably easier to run to buy it, buy an HD DVD Player, hook it up, watch the movie, return both.

    On 768Kbps DSL, it would take 57 Hours (2.375096451 Days).
    On 3Mbps DSL/Cable, it would take 14.59 Hours.
    On 5Mbps Cable, it would take 8.755 Hours.
    On 30Mbps FTTP, it would take 1.45 Hours.
    On a T3 (45 Mbps), it would take 58.7 Minutes.
    On a OC-3 (155 Mbps), it would take 16.9 Minutes.
    And finally, on an OC-768, it would take 3.94 Seconds.

    That last one is 40Gbps....sweet.
  • Good point.

    100 HD-DVD movies at $20 each = 2000 dollars.

    A quick look says that newegg has 500 gig drives for $144. If each movie is 20 gigs, then you'd need 4 of those drives to store each movie, which comes out to 576 dollars. Assume you can compress each HD movie a bit more, and you can drop the price some more.

    The problem is bandwidth. Even with bittorrent, it takes way too long to D/L 20 gigs.

    Honestly, the bigger problem for the studios is people taking those 20 gig files and compressing them down more to get better quality rips than from standard DVDs -- especially in a few years from now when we have better compression algorithms utilizing faster processors. (Just like we have now: DVD compressed with MPEG-2 ripped and compressed with MPEG-4 produces decent results)
  • Re:Yo. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Kattspya ( 994189 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @04:20PM (#17634432)
    Without piracy he wouldn't have got me as a consumer. I hadn't heard of the film or the series and when I did I downloaded them. Fortunately I didn't know it was Whedon who produced otherwise I wouldn't even have downloaded. Now I own both the series and the film on DVD. I also don't consider Whedon to suck ass as I did before.
  • Re:We win (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Drakin020 ( 980931 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @04:22PM (#17634460)
    Just like Windows, soon you won't be needed anymore.
    So tempting to bite.....geyargghhh can't....do...it. But thats ok I actually have a real job.

    Ok there I bit...

  • by blorg ( 726186 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @04:32PM (#17634700)
    ...fair use was a gradually evolved (e.g. court-developed) common law doctrine that was only codified in US law in 1976.

    The right to make backups applies specifically to computer software and evolved contemporaneously.

    The closest you have as to a right to space-shift is the 1999 judgement in the Rio case that "such copying is a paradigmatic noncommercial personal use." Again, I don't disagree that it should be allowed, but it's not exactly a constitutional right.
  • by jonnythan ( 79727 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @04:35PM (#17634766)
    There are currently 154 HD DVD titles in stock, ready to ship at Amazon.
  • Re:Link? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @04:38PM (#17634838)
    It's because it doesn't exist. This fraud has already been exposed in several other forums.
  • You are aware that Movie.Name.Codec.Source.MediaType-ReLEAseGROUP actually means something, right?
    And that you can go to vcdquality.com to check things out before you download, right?
    And that you can download one rar file, check the "keep broken files" box (or append the appropriate flag in Linux), and play it in VLC before you download the whole thing?
    Just checking.
  • by r_jensen11 ( 598210 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @05:10PM (#17635538)
    I know it's redundant, but... Seeing as to how my university caps all users' total bandwidth (combined upstream & downstream) to 5GB per any 7 consecutive days, this would take over 4 weeks to download if I did not share at all. I say over 4 weeks because I still require some bandwidth for my typical habits like listening to distant radio stations and downloading software updates. Now, if I were to download this on bittorrent, it would take at least 6 weeks if I'm a jerk, 9 weeks if I'm nice and get my ratio back up to 1. At this rate, I'd rather just buy the damn disc than wait 2+ months. Then again, the only HDTV I have is at my family's home, and I'm too poor to buy the 360's HD-DVD player, and I'm also not sure that my computer can handle outputting something at that high of a resolution without losing frames. Anywho, I suppose I should buy a DVIHDMI cable sometime before this summer so I can play Pro Evo on the new TV, but that would also require a new video card.... New video card or a month's rent, hrmm.....
  • Re:We win [not] (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @05:50PM (#17636326)
    So while I fully appreciate your comment, the MPAA doesn't appear to serve as the voice of the creative community, unless you're counting the creative accounting practices that some people say are typical of MPAA members

    The point is that without smoothly getting movies into distribution, the movies won't make nearly as much money. The people making the movies have zero interest, in most cases, in actually dealing with theatre chains, HBO, Apple, NetFlix, etc... they want to make movies. The people who provide them with big hunks of probably-going-to-be-lost cash to make the films in the first place only do so because they understand (and have relationships with) the distribution end of the cycle. Of course there are smaller production people who put together self-financed indy films that succeed... but those are rare, and the people that make them are usually very quick to get right on with bigger-budget work that's financed, again, by the sales side of the industry.

    You're right that the MPAA isn't a guild of camera operators, or a society of screenwriters. But the people who derive their livings from the making of movies that only make money through sales/distribution by entities that ARE the MPAA's members... they all know that if the studios and all of the other components can't make up for their usual losses with the occasional financial success, then no one in that entier food chain has a job. Writers, accountants, actors, lighting techs, wireframe animators - none of them. MPAA isn't their "voice" per se, but the parts of the business that actually collect the cash that pays all of these people are part of the MPAA - just like the other sub-professions have their own associations.
  • by ivan256 ( 17499 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @05:58PM (#17636464)
    That's why you rar the files for FTP.

    That does not explain why you then put the rars in a torrent.
  • Re:Yo. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by adamstew ( 909658 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @06:09PM (#17636656)
    I know that there are costs involved in producing music...just as there are costs in producing movies...however, the costs involved are on a MUCH larger scale in movies as they are in music.

    Now, before you say that i'm being hypocritical, let me explain:

    The digital distribution era has made the old way of doing things obsolete. As you said, for a couple of grand, someone can setup a recording studio and put together a pretty decent album. The problem starts with the record companies.

    The record companies sign the artists, front the very large amount of money it takes (under the old system) to record an album , and promotes and distributes the album. The contracts that the artists sign say that the artist gets so much money per album sold...usually around a dollar...only problem is that most of those contracts also stipulate that the artist doesn't see a dime until their $1 per album that they are supposed to get has paid for every single cost that the record company has incurred...from the recording, to the promotion, to the packaging and distribution...from what i've read, except for the HUGE pop artists, most artists would be lucky to see $100k from an album from the record sales...and how many artists release more than a couple of albums? Very few.

    Under the old distribution system, the exchange was pretty simple: The artist gave the record company the rights to sell their album in exchange for the promotion. The record companies had a monopoly on the distribution channels...If you were an artist, you didn't get any publicity unless you went to a record company. So the artist got their name out there, and then they were free to exploit that publicity...in the form of concerts, merchandise, public appearances, endorsements, etc...which almost every artist does in one form or another since they make very little, if anything at all, from the sales of their albums.

    Okay...now flash forward to today...the internet has sparked self distribution...Now for a couple of thousand dollars, someone can setup a website, produce their own album, and get free publicity on the internet by GIVING away the music. Oh, by the way, if you like the music, buy our CD direct from the source, or get a t-shirt, bumper sticker, poster, or come see us perform!

    So...you may now ask what's the difference between the music and movie industries: It's simple...obsolescence. As you've said...you can produce a pretty professional album with a few thousand dollars, and enough time and dedication to make it work...assuming your music is good. Suddenly there is no need for all those people to be working on an album. The times in the music industry have changed...it's time for them to find a new line of work...these modern day candle stick makers are being put out of business by today's light bulb.

    When you compare it to the movie industry: It's just not possible to produce a feature length film with only a few thousand dollars...even Memento, which was a great indie film with practically zero special effects and all using no name (at the time) actors cost $9 million...according to wikipedia.

    So...lets compare: Cost to produce a low budget album: $5,000. Cost to produce a low budget movie: $9,000,000...cost difference: 1,800%. Cost of album on iTunes: $10. Cost of movie on iTunes: $10-$15. Cost difference: 0%-50%. Something just doesn't add up here.

    So, the way I see it: I support the artists/actors, and the people who are truly needed to produce a work. All you need to produce an album is the artists time, and a few thousand dollars in costs to get it recorded...Artists can (and have) distribute/promote their music free over the internet, myspace, etc. They can sell their songs on iTunes using that indie music label (can't think of their name right now). They can use companies like cafe press, or even just have merchandise printed and sell directly using paypal and a $20/mo web hosting account.

    The point: Artist can (and have) produce, distribute, and prom
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @06:15PM (#17636736)
    Slashdot: An even slower news source then wikipedia.

    The HD_DVD rip was released on saturday.
    The HD_DVD article on wikipedia was updated sunday or monday with the information.

    18:26 Jan 16 2007 - I (and hundreds of others) finish downloading the rip.
    18:55 Jan 16 2007 - Slashdot finally catches on.

    "proof", when you finally get it:
    97a2cd952c4e6cd4baebb4da08fbcbfb FEATURE_1.EVO

    Serenity's a great movie, but sadly incompatable with my display. Now the problem has been rectified! Thanks, internet.

  • Re:We win [not] (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @06:37PM (#17637174)
    So in fact, the MPAA adds no more to the creative or distribution process than, say, Wal-Mart. After all, if there is no place to sell the DVD's and related items, it's likely they'd have to sell over the internet; something that MPAA members seem intent on preventing, particularly since there are 2 last red cents they haven't figured out how to get out of their customers (dirty theives).

    Now that I think of it, the MPAA doesn't actually serve as part of the distribution chain per se, they're simply a lobbying organization that does it's best to maximize profit at the expense of both the creative people and consumer.

    I guess that's called "adding value", but since it comes at my expense (on both sides), you'll excuse me if I look on the MPAA with somewhat less reverence than you.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @07:05PM (#17637688)
    There are oodles of MPEG4 capable players (Philips DVP-642, Panasonic S52, etc.) They can't play above standard DVD resolution though (720x480)
  • Re:We win [not] (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Tuesday January 16, 2007 @08:41PM (#17639042)
    So in fact, the MPAA adds no more to the creative or distribution process than, say, Wal-Mart.

    Uh huh. It's called "an economy." The guy that changes the oil in the car that a set lighting technician drives to work doesn't directly "add to the creative process" either. Nor does the person who grows the food that tech eats. But you don't get well-made, expensive, technically fantastic work without an economy of specialists. If you really think that the lighting technician should be equally concerned with (or would be any good at) raising the money needed to keep a staff of several hundred people working, fed, insured, and in a studio with paid electric bills and working equipment, then you are wildly, spectacularly out of touch. Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? Do you do everything that goes towards the production of what it is that pays your way through life? Or do you specialize, so that you can be better and more efficient at things at which you excel?

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