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US Military Tests Non-Lethal Heat Ray 420

URSpider writes "CNN and the BBC are reporting on a US military test of a new antipersonnel heat ray. The weapon focuses non-lethal millimeter-wave radiation onto humans, raising their skin surface temperature to an uncomfortable 130 F. The goal is to make the targets drop any weapons and flee the scene. The device was apparently tested on two soldiers and a group of ten reporters, which makes me wonder how thoroughly this thing has been safety tested. The government is also appealing to the scientific community for help in creating another innovative military technology: artificial 'black ice'. They hope to deploy the 'ice' in chase scenarios to slow fleeing vehicles." We discussed the military's certification to use the device last month.
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US Military Tests Non-Lethal Heat Ray

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  • by circletimessquare ( 444983 ) <(circletimessquare) (at) (gmail.com)> on Thursday January 25, 2007 @09:56AM (#17750772) Homepage Journal
    the military had a great new weapon in the form of a liquid that would foam and solidify a few years back. so an urban crowd is getting uppity. rather than shoot them, spray them. voila: instant immobilization, no worries of permanent damage or death... well that's just the thing. in a real crowd situation, someone's mouth would get sprayed. then it's a tracheotomy in a few minutes or death by suffocation

    so what will happen with the OUCH ray is that someone will get hit in the eyes, and be blinded. or with the black ice, as any hockey player/ fan will tell you, someone will do a perfect backward fall and wind up with a concussion or brain damage

    all i'm saying is that the nirvana of the perfect nonlethal crowd control/ imlpement of war is not very easy to obtain. all you do is trade in one kind of potential for damage/ death for another kind of potential for damage/ death. tragedy is not so easily avoided. we don't live in a world where improbable and deadly accidents never happen, and we don't live in a world where everybody has agreed that violence ion the name of advancing yout agenda isn't the answer (no matter what your ideology, from the right or the left)
  • by rcb1974 ( 654474 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:02AM (#17750828) Homepage
    Couldn't an organized crowd just pull the metal screens off their windows and use them as shields? Last I checked, those work great against microwaves. You could even make clothing made of flexible metal mesh to block the incoming rays.
  • by HighOrbit ( 631451 ) * on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:07AM (#17750886)
    see Build Your Own HERF Gun [slashdot.org]
    and
    HERF Gun: Make it in your basement [slashdot.org]

    Supposedly the High Energy Radio Frequency (HERF) burst will disrupt all the electronic components in an engine. My understanding is that the Coast Guard is already using these to stop fleeing motor boats (sorry no link) and the air force is researching a HERF weapon to knock all the electronics in a area USAF Detachment 8 Continues US Research Into EMP-Microwave Weapons [defenseindustrydaily.com]

  • by Moraelin ( 679338 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:17AM (#17751010) Journal
    Anyone the army actually wanted to give lead poisoning, it will continue to give a lead poisoning. If someone is shooting an AK-47 or worse yet a Dragunov at you, you don't want him just forced to dive around a corner. One way or another some soldiers will still have to hunt him down, sooner or later.

    The only people against you'd want to use a non-lethal weapon is, well, people you don't want to give a lead poisoning in the first place. Like civilian demonstrations. That's what worries me. It's not a weapon of war, it's a crowd control device. Same as rubber bullets and water hoses, only a level meaner: when was the last time you heard of those used in a battle? It's not the kind of thing you'd win an offensive with, it the kind of thing you'd use to keep people from protesting against a puppet pro-USA dictator.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:20AM (#17751070)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:28AM (#17751220) Homepage
    This will be used on peaceful protesters in the US, and will be sold to other repressive regimes for use against their own citizens. There is no use for it in Iraq.
  • Re:Torture (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @10:45AM (#17751554) Homepage
    We've already lost that argument. See "drive stun" [wikipedia.org] and an explicit UCPD policy on torturing suspects into compliance [dailybruin.com] in the context of Mostafa Tabatabainejad [google.com] (among others).
  • OBLIG. MLK Quote: (Score:2, Interesting)

    by gaspar ilom ( 859751 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @11:24AM (#17752134)
    "What do they think as we test our new weapons on them, just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new tortures in the concentration camps of Europe?"

    -- Martin Luther King, Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence [americanrhetoric.com] (April 4, 1967)
  • by Loconut1389 ( 455297 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @12:29PM (#17753246)
    Wonder if it would set off ammunition in a weapon being carried?
  • Re:I agree (Score:2, Interesting)

    by chameleon3 ( 801105 ) <thishastobeafake@gmail.com> on Thursday January 25, 2007 @01:01PM (#17753864)
    I don't think we've done enough carefully controlled human trials with bullets to make your claim. I'd suggest some form of double-blind experiment, shooting several thousand subjects from various socioeconomic classes with blanks and with bullets, and see what the effect on cancer rate is. I'll volunteer for the control group, which doesn't get shot at all. Providing a baseline for the population is probably the hardest job, as it takes the longest amount of time.

    Unfortunately, the scientific method requires random assignment in order to prove causation, so you can't volunteer for a group. You'll have to take the coin flip like the rest of them :-)

    and needless to say, your participation in your own idea for an experiment negates the 'double-blind' nature of the experiment

    btw, yes IAASR (I Am A Science Researcher)

    PS I know that your post is meant to be a joke, but you'd be surprised how many students entering my Research Methods class don't see the problem with letting participants volunteer for their condition!
  • Re:split opinion (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Chris Burke ( 6130 ) on Thursday January 25, 2007 @08:57PM (#17761586) Homepage
    I could've told you this was coming back when the invasion was first announced. Why? I'm Bengali.

    Well not to pat myself on the back but I knew it was coming too, and that's with my piss-poor American public school education. ;) Quick, list of countries whose people were grateful to be invaded and occupied by a foreign power! Hmm...

    "What every terrorist fears most is human freedom -- societies where men and women make their own choices, answer to their own conscience, and live by their hopes instead of their resentments. Free people are not drawn to violent and malignant ideologies -- and most will choose a better way when they are given a chance."

    Haha! I didn't watch the speech, because I can't stand to hear the man speak, and I didn't read about it either since I knew what he was going to say.

    That's just a twist on a clasic Bush line. He used to give a much more direct and even more ludicrous statement when he was explaining why terrorists would want to attack the United States: "They hate us for our freedom." Oh man, that one had me rolling in the isles. Also crying, because a person who believes that (not that Bush necessarily does, but many believe it because he said it), then they have absolutely zero chance of ever understanding terrorism.

    My personal favorite example of how ludicrous this whole line of thinking that Democracy will make everything okay is when the Palestinians voted in Hamas. The West's reaction was basically: Oh shit, you weren't supposed to be that free!

    Ultimately, it's not democracy that makes Westerners, well, Westernized. It's a couple of thousand years of shared culture, history, and civilization. Democracy is an expression of the underlying mindset of the West, not the underpinnings of that mindset. It took the West a long time to get its societies to the point where they could support democracy. It took France a 150 years to build a supportable Republic, and France had one of the longest traditions of liberal Enlightenment thinking in Europe! How could anybody be stupid enough to think that we could have pushed Iraq to do it in a few years, much less a few decades?

    Yeah, my history education was shitty and Euro-centric, but damn do I find it amazing that so few of my fellow Americans seem to remember this simple fact. Just like so many don't seem to appreciate how great our debt to France is. Is it any surprise that they also thought that getting rid of Saddam Hussein would turn Iraq into Oklahoma overnight?

Ya'll hear about the geometer who went to the beach to catch some rays and became a tangent ?

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