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Jim Gray Is Missing 283

K-Man writes "Jim Gray, Turing Award winner and developer of many fundamental database technologies, was reported missing at sea after a short solo sailing trip to the Farallon Islands off San Francisco. Gray is manager of Microsoft's eScience group. The Coast Guard is searching for his vessel over 4,000 square miles of ocean, and there have been no distress calls or signals of any kind. Gray is 63 and a sailor with 10 years' experience."
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Jim Gray Is Missing

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  • Oh, bullshit. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @04:05AM (#17810992)
    You sir, are a weenie. I sail out of SF Bay, and do a lot of technology work. People usually call me in to solve the tough problems they need immediate solutions for. From the bootstrap code, through the kernel, to solving IT infrastructure problems for Fortunate 1000 companies.

    When you go out singlehanded, part of the thrill is it being just you and nature. I don't need some weenie tracking me, 24x7. Yes, I may die. But that's part of the risk. My fate is in my own hands, and I don't want to depend on some momma's boy back on shore who will shit bricks at the thought of getting wet.

    Let me clue you in. If something bad happens, you don't want to depend on the Coast Guard. By the time they get out there, the odds are you'll already be dead. Survival time is about 15 minutes in that water. The Coast Guard is more interested in tearing up boats arbitrarily doing bogus drug searches than they are interested in jeopardizing their fat asses looking for lost sailors.

    In short, if you're depending on the Coast Guard for a rescue, you shouldn't be out there. Period.

    What probably happened to him is either a freighter hit him, or a sneaker wave got him as he was coming back in. Or he fell off the boat.

    There's some chance that his boat was disabled, but I'd think even the Coast Guard would've spotted it by now.

    But those are the risks you take. One knows that, and accepts it. That's part of the fun.

    I know this is a strange, scary thought to most of the momma's boys here, whining about how this crap would be good insurance. God, what pathetic whimps.

    I salute you, Jim Gray. And I hope you're still alive. But if not, I'll raise a toast to you. Sailing out to the Farallons is fun and exciting. You were a real man.
  • by Technician ( 215283 ) on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @04:25AM (#17811082)
    If he was going offshore, he either had or should have had an EPIRB [wikipedia.org] (Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon.

    Most of these are designed to float out of their holder in case of a sinking and are water activated. The lack of a signal for this size vessel is a good sign it's still afloat. Whether he is alive or onboard is to be seen. He could have had a medical emergency or fallen overboard which would not activate the beacon.
  • by Riktov ( 632 ) on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @05:57AM (#17811460) Journal
    Is there anything anyone here can actually do to help rescue Jim Gray? I'd say almost certainly not.

    So what are we to do? Those who have a connection with the man (knew him, worked with him, admire his work, etc.) will have serious and informative comments to make. But for the rest who've never heard of him, there's just nothing to discuss -- the story's not about technology in any way, it's just about a human being who happens to be related to technology. And death is easiest thing in the world to come up with jokes about -- "I bet he died because [a common failure in whatever area of technology he is related to]...ha,ha". Yes, the Microsoft/bluescreen jokes are pretty lame, but the SQL/database ones get a chuckle out of me.

    What's the harm?
  • Re:Penguins (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ggeens ( 53767 ) <ggeens AT iggyland DOT com> on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @07:08AM (#17811814) Homepage Journal

    MySQL [mysql.com]'s mascot is a dolphin.

    And it seems like this guy worked on databases.

  • by Bearhouse ( 1034238 ) on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @08:38AM (#17812186)
    It's a sad fact that many sailors are found drowned with their flies open - they fall in taking a leak off the back of the boat...which then sails away without them. Even an olympic-class swimmer couldn't keep up with a boat sailing at moderate speed.. Worse still, many people put the ship on autopilot when having a leak, or doing some minor work, (which usually involves hanging over the side, or in another position where it's easy to fall overboard. Even (especially?) experienced sailors 'forget' to use safety lines, particularly when the weather is good. A few years ago I saw an article (link, anyone?) about a device that would make the autopilot turn the ship in circles if you fell overboard, (simple idea - device in your pocket activated by contact with seawater, this activated magnet next to compass that made it go crazy, autopilot (slaved to compass) goes round in circles...you swin back to boat. Hopefully having left a rope / ladder or something in easy reach, so you can climb aboard again (another cause of drowning - people dive in during a hot calm - cannot get back in, wind picks up...) EPIRB no help here, as usually attached to a throwable buoy within reach of helmsman, (good, but lost easily), or stowed inside a liferaft, (no help if you get run down - you need time to prepare to abandon ship properly). So, keep the EPIRB in your pocket, chaps. Oh, and as for the humour, let's be more tolerent, eh? I can have sympathy for the guy, and his family, and still laugh at the jokes. Humour is one of mankind's natural ways of dealing with disaster, hate is not.
  • by Temkin ( 112574 ) on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @09:20AM (#17812532)


    Just a couple bits of information for those not familiar with sailing in the SF bay. I used to own a small sailboat in the SF bay, a Cal-20. Just about the smallest (and slowest) real keel boat you can find. The SF Bay has some of the finest sailing in the world. Between April and October, the wind at the gate is a nice steady 7 to 10 knots all day long.

    Most people think of California and picture the sunny beaches and warm water off LA. This doesn't exist north of Santa Cruz. California north of Santa Cruz has a rocky cliff shore. The water off SF is chilled by a current that comes down from Alaska. This time of year, it's probably 40 deg/F (4.5 deg/C), in the summer, it's not much warmer. The cold water kills people very fast. You fall in this time of year, and you have maybe 15 minutes before you're dead. They've lost experienced sailors to hypothermia inside the bay, where the water is slightly warmer, in the amount of time it takes the crew to pull down the sheets and do a man overboard 180. If he fell overboard without some kind of wetsuit or thermal protection, he's done. A 40 foot boat set up for solo would probably have some kind of steering autopilot, and would sail outside the initial search area on it's own in just a few hours.

    The sea will try very hard to kill you. A fellow geek made the good life, and appears to have been settling in to enjoy his golden years. Most of us have similar dreams and aspirations. I don't know him, but I'm going to think good thoughts for him and his family, and hope for the best.

  • by Hoi Polloi ( 522990 ) on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @11:29AM (#17814006) Journal
    Even if people are awake they'll never hear you through the bulkhead door and over the engine noise. When I went out at night onto the quarterdeck of an oceangraphic vessel I always made sure to stand well back from the edge.
  • by BoRegardless ( 721219 ) on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @12:30PM (#17814924)
    Sterling Hayden departed for a day voyage with a dozen or more friends on Wanderer out of San Francisco, and the next time anyone saw the yacht was when it entered Tahitian waters.

    None of the guests had any idea they were being "Shanghaid". He didn't give them any choice.

    See his book titled after his boat's name.
  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @01:39PM (#17816064) Journal
    A Cartesian join gives you every possible combination....and it's very rarely what you actually want.

    Actually, I find it useful for generating test data. I've also found it useful for generating "zero records" where one wants records to exist for say every department whether they supplied data or not. You join them to a record of zeros. Left joins can do it also, but sometimes return unwanted nulls, so zero-records simplify things.

    But I did wish SQL didn't make it so easy to accidently create a cartesian product. It would be nice if it required an explicit keyword like CARTESIAN or the like.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @02:21PM (#17816790)
    Anyone remember back in late 2000 when Scott Smith, the former bassist from the rock band "Loverboy", was swept off his 37' sailboat by a wave nearly 30' tall just outside the Golden Gate bridge? Apparently the wave "came out of nowhere" all by itself, and Scott broke the steering wheel off the boat trying to hang on with all his might. His body never was found. Two friends onboard the boat did survive the incident to live and tell what happened.
  • by curunir ( 98273 ) * on Tuesday January 30, 2007 @03:15PM (#17817692) Homepage Journal
    Try telling all that to the 43 people aged 65 or older who finished the IronMan triathlon last year...

    Not that it needs saying, but these people all swam 2.4 miles, biked 112 miles and then ran a marathon (26.2 miles). Also keep in mind there are cutoff times that every competitor must achieve in order to be allowed to continue and everyone who finishes made each cutoff time.

    All three parts of the race, on their own, would be beyond the capabilities of most 20-somethings. Most can't even swim 1 mile, let alone 2.4. Most can't ride 50 miles, let alone 112. And most can't run 10 miles, let alone a whole marathon.

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