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Reiser Murder Case Gets Stranger 500

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from the far-from-over dept.
Fahrvergnuugen writes "Wired is running a story about how an ex-lover of the missing wife of accused spouse killer Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case. While Reiser will still stand trial for the murder, this development will undoubtedly complicate things."
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Reiser Murder Case Gets Stranger

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  • hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)

    by uberjoe (726765) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:41PM (#18996241)
    Does this mean I don't have to reformat after all?
    • Re:hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)

      by Tackhead (54550) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:52PM (#18996435)
      > Does this mean I don't have to reformat after all?

      Nope. Heck, kill -8 is just a floating point exception. It's kill -9 that Hans has to worry about.

      On the other hand, the guy making the confession did fsck her...

      /does anyone else smell brimstone, or is it just me?

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Seriously, an accusation of murder doesn't mean that someone can't write good code. Hell, a conviction for murder wouldn't mean that. Someone with the icy logic needed to remove a threat permanently might find a career in the military - and the military has lots of programmers, and are the biggest murderers around.

      • Re:hmmmm (Score:5, Funny)

        by ez76 (322080) <slashdot@e73.141596.us minus pi> on Friday May 04, 2007 @08:35PM (#18997447) Homepage
        If he couldn't be bothered to clean up blood from his car and to get rid of his books on homicide, how the hell can we trust this guy to free memory on the heap?
      • by commodoresloat (172735) * on Friday May 04, 2007 @08:52PM (#18997557)
        it just confirms that reiserfs is truly a killer filesystem.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by sumdumass (711423)
        Well, first there is a differecne between murder and killing. This difference is justification, circumstances and legalities. But more to the point.

        Last I heard, they still haven't found a body. What Kind of evidence do they have against him outside his wife is still missing. I mean books are nothing more then circumstantial, But then is a ex-lover who turns out to be a serial killer (I believe 5 or more still qualifies). Some blood in the car, was it a lot or an amount that someone could have cut themselve
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by notamisfit (995619)
          IIRC, any amount of Nina's DNA in Reiser's car was suspect, because she never would have willingly entered his vehicle (not sure if he owned the same vehicle before the divorce or not). Not to mention that the passenger seat hasn't been found.
          • Re:hmmmm (Score:4, Insightful)

            by donscarletti (569232) on Saturday May 05, 2007 @10:09AM (#19001291)

            she never would have willingly entered his vehicle
            Logical jumps like that are dangerous in criminal investigation, that is simply assumption, each separation is different since they are complex things and so you can't really know where she would or wouldn't go. She was last seen at Hans Reiser's house (which was a large amount of the case against him) and if she is willing to enter his house, why not his car?
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Obyron (615547)
          who turns out to be a serial killer (I believe 5 or more still qualifies).

          If you want to get technical it's not serial killing unless all the killings follow the same motif and/or are part of an overarching "statement" (think of how a serial novel is released as a series of installments). If they were individual pre-planned murders all with their own justification that did not follow any theme then he is a mass murderer. If he just snapped one day and went out and killed 6 or 8 or however many people fo
  • Bad line wrapping! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kelson (129150) * on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:46PM (#18996313) Homepage Journal
    When I saw this story, I skimmed the first line, then got to the second, which read: "Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case." It was a bit of a jolt. Then I went back and realized that it was referring to his wife's ex-lover, not to Reiser himself.

    This is why you don't put a giant 10-word prepositional phrase between a subject and verb, especially if that phrase ends with something that could plausibly by a subject.
    • by SpectreHiro (961765) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:50PM (#18996395) Homepage
      Makes it real easy to twist the quote, too.

      ...accused spouse killer Hans Reiser has confessed to killing eight people unrelated to the case.

    • by Black Parrot (19622) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:52PM (#18996413)

      This is why you don't put a giant 10-word prepositional phrase between a subject and verb, especially if that phrase ends with something that could plausibly by a subject.
      Unless you're writing in German...
      • by SpectreHiro (961765) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:55PM (#18996455) Homepage
        Nope, then it'd just be a 1 word prepositional phrase that's 10 words long. ;)
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by Jesus_666 (702802)
          Nope, then it'd just be a 1 word prepositional phrase that's 10 words long. ;)

          It'd be a one word propositional phrase that would be one word long. It's you English speakers who put those weird spaces everywhere in compounds. Take, for example, "one word propositional phrase". That's four words. If we write "onewordprepositionalphrase" we only have one word and we saved three characters (and yes, "Einwortpräpositionalphrase" would be a correct and meaningful German compound).

          So would you guys please
    • by solevita (967690) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:55PM (#18996465)
      I tried reading the summary aloud and the kill count almost went up a notch. Short sentences help readers breath.
    • by Iamthefallen (523816) <Gmail name: Iamthefallen> on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:11PM (#18996641) Homepage Journal

      When I saw this story, I skimmed the first line, then got to the second, which [...] was a bit of a jolt. Then I went back and realized that it was referring to [...] a giant [...] p [...] e [...] n [...] i [...] s

      Summarizing like a Slashdot editor is more fun.
  • just to be clear (Score:5, Informative)

    by seanadams.com (463190) * on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:47PM (#18996325) Homepage
    in case you mis-read the summary like I did at first: it was not Hans Reiser who confessed, but Sean Sturgeon, someone his wife previously dated. It is also unclear from TFA when they say "a one-time friend of Reiser's" whether they are talking about Hans or his wife.

    Irrespective of whether Hans is really guilty, if this isn't enough to show a reasonable doubt I don't know what is. In light of this, it would seem quite plausible that he was framed.

    Interesting tidbit at the end of TFA:According to testimony in preliminary hearings in the case, Nina Reiser had once dated Sturgeon, but broke off their relationship in January 2006 because she was unhappy with his lifestyle and taste for sadomasochism.

    Sounds like they're all a bunch of real whackos!
    • by vandan (151516) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:05PM (#18996563) Homepage
      I've thought he'd been framed from day one. He had some Department of Defense contracts for developing resier4. I wouldn't put it past them ( or the US administration ) to get bitchy over such a contract. Of course this is highly speculative, but what if, say, they asked him to implement something he didn't feel comfortable with? It's not like these guys have a problem with killing or imprisoning innocent people ( think Guantanimo Bay ). This is how they do business.
  • Reasonable doubt (Score:5, Insightful)

    by iamacat (583406) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:47PM (#18996329)
    If your wife's ex-lover is a confessed serial killer, the evidence against you has to be pretty damning for you not to create reasonable doubt. Like if he was videotaped by a policeman while committing a murder and later signed a statement that he is a person on the video. It's not a big stretch of imagination that someone who killed 8 times and didn't get caught is capable of some creativity when planting evidence.
    • by Man On Pink Corner (1089867) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:50PM (#18996385)
      If your wife's ex-lover is a confessed serial killer, the evidence against you has to be pretty damning for you not to create reasonable doubt.

      Well, either that, or she was just into psychos.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Hans was friends with this guy Sturgeon...

      Sturgeon was allegedly molested as a child which directly motivated the killing of the other eight people AND the development of extreme sado-masochistic sexual tendencies... Which is a purported reason that Hans's woman both began and ended her affair with him.

      The missing link is how Hans became friends with this guy and a gossipy answer at this point is that BOTH of them were involved in some very dark sexual practices & became close friends because of this.

      Pl
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Just in case you weren't aware of it, there are thousands and thousands of people who are enthusiasts of recreational 'kinky' sex including degrees of sadomasochism. And believe me, the people in that community LOATHE and DESPISE serial killers and predators in their midst. There are community codes of standard that clearly delineate ethical practices. Weird as it might seem to people who've never been exposed to these forms of sexual play, you don't tie up and torture people unwillingly if you're a heal
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by asninn (1071320)

        Sturgeon was allegedly molested as a child which directly motivated the killing of the other eight people AND the development of extreme sado-masochistic sexual tendencies... Which is a purported reason that Hans's woman both began and ended her affair with him.

        Urgh. I really hate people like that - I don't know what he did, of course, but this whole thing sure seems to be giving SSC BDSM (which is healthy, fun, and totally normal) a bad name (yet) again. The press doesn't seem to have latched on it ye

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by vidarh (309115)
        Sean Sturgeon and Hans Reiser had a business relationship from 1999 to 2002. The BDSM stuff was brought up by Reiser in court proceedings as part of a lawsuit by Sean Sturgeon regarding a loan that Reiser allegedly didn't pay back. Reiser alleged that Sturgeon and Nina Reiser were having an affair at the time, and that the money Namesys loaned were mostly spent on Nina Reiser with Sturgeons full knowledge. He further alleged that Sturgeon threatened him and claimed he would hurt both Reiser, Reisers childre
  • Light on details (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bryan Ischo (893) * on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:48PM (#18996357) Homepage
    The Wired piece is very light on details. It doesn't say who the Sturgeon person is supposed to have murdered, or where, or when, or whether or not any of them have any relationship to the Reiser case. Also it doesn't suggest whether or not investigators have correlated Sturgeon's confessions with any known facts about any missing people or unsolved murders. Or maybe this Sturgeon guy had already been charged in a bunch of murders and finally confessed. Who knows, the story is so light on details.

    Does anyone know any more about this Sturgeon guy and his confessions?
  • Death Yoga (Score:5, Funny)

    by Sloppy (14984) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:49PM (#18996377) Homepage Journal
    I am shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that the creepy S&M guy who was into "death yoga" and has now admitted to other murders, is suspected of Nina's murder. I mean, that's just silly. I saw the ELER cartoon, and he wasn't in it.
  • Son of a bitch (Score:3, Informative)

    by roman_mir (125474) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:52PM (#18996417) Homepage Journal
    My girlfriend's sister was one of her Nina's best friends, they studied together in a medical university in St. Pitersburgh. She says Nina's parents are devasted, she was the only child.

    Of-course his guilt is not proven yet. Judging from the B.S. that was happening in that house this was not a happy marriage.
  • by L. VeGas (580015) on Friday May 04, 2007 @06:55PM (#18996467) Homepage Journal
    "Look law, no Hans."
  • Change the wording of the article! Yes, it's from the original article. But it's very clearly misleading and needs to be changed.

  • by mo (2873) * on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:00PM (#18996503)
    from: http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_256204954.h tml [cbs5.com]

    Apparently Sturgeon was sleeping with Reiser's wife before they finalized the divorce. Also, Reiser accused Sturgeon of trying to steal money from him, and of threatening him. So there's totally motive here for Sturgeon to frame Reiser for the murder.
  • by spiritraveller (641174) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:09PM (#18996601)
    It's unclear when Sturgeon made the confession -- he would say only, "I have cooperated since day one." Asked why he had confessed at all, he responded with this question: "In a murder case, if somebody has killed, who is a witness, is it relevant? Yes or no?"

    When this reporter responded that it was relevant, Sturgeon said, "Then you have the answer to your question."

    Sturgeon added that confessing was one of the most difficult decisions of his life. He also regrets being a source of distraction in the case, joking that he is not so much a red herring as a "red Sturgeon."


    Yep... a regular old Hannibal Lechter. Do you think he might have had some sort of grudge against Reiser? Spurned love, and then his friend gets the girl... yathink? Maybe he set it up so that not only does Reiser lose his wife... but then has to defend a murder case for killing her.

    From what's been in the press, it seems that all the evidence is circumstantial. A criminal case can be proven by circumstantial evidence, but only when it's enough to exclude all other reasonable conclusions based on the evidence. Looks like this shoots the prosecution right out of the water.

    On the other hand, if the prosecution had this confession a long time ago and they are still moving forward, it's possible they have some other evidence that we don't know about yet.
  • by ZackSchil (560462) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:12PM (#18996647)
    "Wired is running a story about how Sean Sturgeon, an ex-lover of Hans Reiser's missing wife, has confessed to having killed 8 people. Hans is currently standing trial for the murder of his wife. Though the confessed murders are unrelated to the current case, this new information is sure to complicate things."
  • Finally! (Score:4, Funny)

    by TheChromaticOrb (931032) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:14PM (#18996671)
    Finally the court will put it to rest. Did Hans shoot first, or was it the other guy?

    Oh, wait... wrong movie.

  • by G4from128k (686170) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:17PM (#18996697)
    He probably muttered "kill -9" and the cops thought it was a confession.
  • Crazy Soap Opera's (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stox (131684) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:19PM (#18996729) Homepage
    I always wondered where they got some of the crazy idea's for Soap Opera's, I don't wonder anymore. I really feel sorry for poor Hans, assuming he is innocent. This is a nightmare of unimaginable proportions. Even if he "wins", he will probably be bankrupt from paying the attorneys.
  • by HeavensBlade23 (946140) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:25PM (#18996777)
    If Hans Reiser is guilty, that means Nina Reiser went from dating one killer to another killer... What are the odds of someone just happening to date two murderers?
  • Death Yogi (Score:5, Interesting)

    by delire (809063) on Friday May 04, 2007 @07:37PM (#18996925)
    By confessing to something really horrible you aquire a curious kind of trust in people: if he says that he didn't kill Nina then who would doubt him now that he so flippantly admitted to the killing of 8 others?

    This of course can be a strategy in itself, it's a card he's earnt by confessing and can play against Reiser, someone he clearly wants to see lose everything (re 2004 case for attempted seizure of Reiser's business [cbs5.com], Namesys Inc.).
  • by Opportunist (166417) on Friday May 04, 2007 @08:01PM (#18997177)
    Ok, but to get this discussion onto something more sensible and away from "kill -9" jokes, what does this mean? Will Reiser be released? I mean, even a blind person without a dog can sense that there's more than just "reasonable doubt" that he's the culprit when a serial murderer is involved.

    The hit the ReiserFS took from this is already quite noticable. Yes, it's OSS, so anyone could pick it up. Did you ever LOOK at that source? At the sheer amount of it? Who do you think can pick that up easily? Especially with ext3 getting more and more gadgets and support, and being for some already the superior system?

    Please no discussion 'bout ext3 and reiserFS. It's about as meaningful as discussions about emacs and vi.

    What matters about those 2 systems is simply that one has a maintainer (group) currently and one hasn't, or at the very least has lost a key developer due to this. Does it make sense to stick with reiserFS or should one start looking around for alternatives is the question. Actually, has been since the arrest of Reiser.
  • by hurfy (735314) on Friday May 04, 2007 @08:35PM (#18997451)
    I think i will just wait for the Law and Order episode.
  • Still alive? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Skinkie (815924) on Friday May 04, 2007 @09:37PM (#18997857) Homepage
    Quote from wikipedia:
    It was also revealed that Nina Reiser obtained Russian citizenship for her daughter 2 years before and surreptitiously obtained Russian citizenship for her son two months before she disappeared.

    Now how likely would it be that she is somewhere is big Russia :)
  • by melted (227442) on Friday May 04, 2007 @10:22PM (#18998127) Homepage
    All these jokes about Hans... I don't know, have you given any thought that Hans might be NOT GUILTY? Is this how you treat prominent (and talented) hackers - with presumption of guilt instead of innocence? If he's released, why would he ever write any code for people who laugh about the possibility of him riding the lightning (or whatever they do to kill people in that state)?

    Seriously, jokes about Hans are disgusting. Please show some dignity and respect.
    • Humor is actually one of the most common responses to tragedies and horrible situations in which you are not personally invovled in - and often when you are. It's a defense mechanism. It is not common to see/hear humor in eulogies. I even used a "joke" regarding my grandfather in his eulogy - and everyone there laughed alongside me.

      Laughter is good even in cases like this (no pun intended) - it helps us to cope and to remember that life is full of more than misery and death. Now if only the cable news netwo
  • Holy crap (Score:3, Funny)

    by Plutonite (999141) on Saturday May 05, 2007 @01:19AM (#18999297)
    I, for one, am amused. I was not familiar with the ex-lover before: EIGHT MURDERS? And he's not really sure about number nine, because y'know, it was just another murder and he doesn't pay much attention to these things?

    If Reiser really is the killer after this miracle, it will be the funniest murder ever(not that they're funny, but just saying). Bitch cheats on husband with a serial killer/psychopath. Leaves psycho but geek husband finds out anyway, geek husband reads TFM on homicide and kills wife before psycho gets to her, psycho infuriated to the degree of staunchly defending himself on this one murder (out of he doesn't know how many) in order to get back at husband for killing the woman first.
  • gag order? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sentientbrendan (316150) on Saturday May 05, 2007 @06:15PM (#19005271)
    "On Monday, Superior Court Judge Don Clay issued a gag order barring attorneys on both sides from discussing Sturgeon."

    How can they gag that? That seems highly relevant to the case, considering that Sturgeon clearly had a grudge against Reiser.

    Most of the other posters seem to assume that the case will be dropped because of this, but if the jury is *never allowed to hear about it* how can the come to the pretty reasonable conclusion that the highly circumstantial evidence against Reiser doesn't amount to much when the victim had dated (and dumped) a known serial killer with a grudge against the defendant?

    If the prosecution knew about this, why'd they even bring it to trial?

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